BGs - seeding without milestones and the 1-year anniversary

Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,399 ★★★★★
Does it make sense in its current form?

I am no scrub (maybe!), but equally no savant. I have reached the gladiator circuit every season since the start and I noticed that prior to seeding I could reliably earn about 300k-400k in points going from Bronze to GC. Now having started in Plat 2 I am in Vibranium 3 already and earned less than 140k in points (winning about twice as many matches as I lost) . This means I will probably not get more than half the milestones I usually would w/o endless grinding in the GC once I reach.

If I was paranoid and had on a tin foil hat I would surmise that the current seeding system is designed to push more players into GC earlier than ever without achieving the milestones they would have starting at the bottom of victory track, thus forcing them to win more matches in that hot sweaty cauldron that is the gladiator circuit.

This is a big reason people even did point farming previously when AW rewards were attached to BGs and why some will be doing it now - it's not fun for a lot of people to do that.

1. If you are going to have seeding, and give the promotion level rewards that go with it upon completion of a minimum number of matches, why not also give milestones to a set level as well?

2. If not that, why not attribute more milestones points to winning and losing in GC than in VC, especially given the higher difficulty of nodes and opponents there?

3. A 3rd solution would have been to place the extra special 1-year anniversary celebration rewards (that we've even invited in a myriad of player levels to enjoy) at mid-tier milestone levels to ensure everyone celebrated, rather than at the sweaty end of the milestones which usually requires a lot of money and/or units grinded from arena to get elders marks.


I just can't understand how something that is supposed to be a celebration event has been turned into a grind-fest.

Just my 2 cents.

Comments

  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,399 ★★★★★

    Did you write this with your tin foil hat on?

    No it would have stopped my PC from working, despite protecting my brain waves. I only use the hat when I write on notepads.
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,399 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Bugmat78 said:


    I just can't understand how something that is supposed to be a celebration event has been turned into a grind-fest.

    The BrutalDLX challenge has entered the chat

  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,528 ★★★★★

    Did you write this with your tin foil hat on?

    You didn’t even use this right
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,528 ★★★★★
    I agree, this event is a grindy mess. I saved marks for it and got to around 410k points in victory track after tons of grinding, and how I’m in GC having to use 15 energy for 375 points. I’m not expecting to win against these super high tier players, but we can’t seed and there’s no point increase from VT to GC (which is the dumbest thing ever).

    Wish I could just put some 2* in my deck and throw some matches for the remaining points.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,528 ★★★★★

    Emilia90 said:

    I agree, this event is a grindy mess. I saved marks for it and got to around 410k points in victory track after tons of grinding, and how I’m in GC having to use 15 energy for 375 points. I’m not expecting to win against these super high tier players, but we can’t seed and there’s no point increase from VT to GC (which is the dumbest thing ever).

    Wish I could just put some 2* in my deck and throw some matches for the remaining points.

    Its only been 8 days since the season kicked off, 410k points its a big number, you could have paced it and make it less grindy on yourself.
    410k was with elders marks and it didn’t take much effort. Using energy does, which I’ll have to do now anyways unless I buy them. I’ll pace this last section out but I’m tryna just be done with battlegrounds fast this season.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,634 ★★★★★
    I'm taking my time. I'm at 160k. I'm only going for the 7* Shards, and if I have time, I'll grab the Titans. It's not that big of a rush.
    I will agree that seeding has its drawbacks though.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,848 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    I agree, this event is a grindy mess. I saved marks for it and got to around 410k points in victory track after tons of grinding, and how I’m in GC having to use 15 energy for 375 points. I’m not expecting to win against these super high tier players, but we can’t seed and there’s no point increase from VT to GC (which is the dumbest thing ever).

    Wish I could just put some 2* in my deck and throw some matches for the remaining points.

    Its only been 8 days since the season kicked off, 410k points its a big number, you could have paced it and make it less grindy on yourself.
    410k was with elders marks and it didn’t take much effort. Using energy does, which I’ll have to do now anyways unless I buy them. I’ll pace this last section out but I’m tryna just be done with battlegrounds fast this season.
    You are not getting the point, you said "after tons of grinding". You are the one who decided to grind it in 8 days, no one forced you. It only takes 3 wins with elder marks to hit the top milestone in solo event. Its hardly grindy or has anything to do with seeding.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,848 ★★★★★

    I'm taking my time. I'm at 160k. I'm only going for the 7* Shards, and if I have time, I'll grab the Titans. It's not that big of a rush.
    I will agree that seeding has its drawbacks though.

    Seeding has much draw back as tanking though.
    Expecting easier or winnable matches while climbing is almost the same as staying in a lower tier to beat smaller opponents.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,634 ★★★★★

    I'm taking my time. I'm at 160k. I'm only going for the 7* Shards, and if I have time, I'll grab the Titans. It's not that big of a rush.
    I will agree that seeding has its drawbacks though.

    Seeding has much draw back as tanking though.
    Expecting easier or winnable matches while climbing is almost the same as staying in a lower tier to beat smaller opponents.
    It's a drawback because you start off among everyone from the GC. So getting momentum takes more effort. You start the Season off with quite a high percentage of Loss.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,634 ★★★★★
    *Most do anyway.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,848 ★★★★★

    I'm taking my time. I'm at 160k. I'm only going for the 7* Shards, and if I have time, I'll grab the Titans. It's not that big of a rush.
    I will agree that seeding has its drawbacks though.

    Seeding has much draw back as tanking though.
    Expecting easier or winnable matches while climbing is almost the same as staying in a lower tier to beat smaller opponents.
    It's a drawback because you start off among everyone from the GC. So getting momentum takes more effort. You start the Season off with quite a high percentage of Loss.
    I understand that; but as a GC capable player wishing to start at Bronze to get winnable matches to hit milestones is almost the same as tanking matches in a tier.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,528 ★★★★★

    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    I agree, this event is a grindy mess. I saved marks for it and got to around 410k points in victory track after tons of grinding, and how I’m in GC having to use 15 energy for 375 points. I’m not expecting to win against these super high tier players, but we can’t seed and there’s no point increase from VT to GC (which is the dumbest thing ever).

    Wish I could just put some 2* in my deck and throw some matches for the remaining points.

    Its only been 8 days since the season kicked off, 410k points its a big number, you could have paced it and make it less grindy on yourself.
    410k was with elders marks and it didn’t take much effort. Using energy does, which I’ll have to do now anyways unless I buy them. I’ll pace this last section out but I’m tryna just be done with battlegrounds fast this season.
    You are not getting the point, you said "after tons of grinding". You are the one who decided to grind it in 8 days, no one forced you. It only takes 3 wins with elder marks to hit the top milestone in solo event. Its hardly grindy or has anything to do with seeding.
    I didn’t say anyone forced me lmao. The event design is still crappy because of the amount of points you earn per match. It should be less of a grind even if spaced out throughout the month. Also 3 wins? What are you even on about
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,634 ★★★★★

    I'm taking my time. I'm at 160k. I'm only going for the 7* Shards, and if I have time, I'll grab the Titans. It's not that big of a rush.
    I will agree that seeding has its drawbacks though.

    Seeding has much draw back as tanking though.
    Expecting easier or winnable matches while climbing is almost the same as staying in a lower tier to beat smaller opponents.
    It's a drawback because you start off among everyone from the GC. So getting momentum takes more effort. You start the Season off with quite a high percentage of Loss.
    I understand that; but as a GC capable player wishing to start at Bronze to get winnable matches to hit milestones is almost the same as tanking matches in a tier.
    I didn't say I wanted to start at Bronze. I understand your point there. I'm just saying there are drawbacks. Although I wouldn't agree it's the same thing.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,848 ★★★★★

    I'm taking my time. I'm at 160k. I'm only going for the 7* Shards, and if I have time, I'll grab the Titans. It's not that big of a rush.
    I will agree that seeding has its drawbacks though.

    Seeding has much draw back as tanking though.
    Expecting easier or winnable matches while climbing is almost the same as staying in a lower tier to beat smaller opponents.
    It's a drawback because you start off among everyone from the GC. So getting momentum takes more effort. You start the Season off with quite a high percentage of Loss.
    I understand that; but as a GC capable player wishing to start at Bronze to get winnable matches to hit milestones is almost the same as tanking matches in a tier.
    I didn't say I wanted to start at Bronze. I understand your point there. I'm just saying there are drawbacks. Although I wouldn't agree it's the same thing.
    I didn't say YOU did, talking about the thread.
    It's not 100% the same; just the idea of making scoring easier on behalf of matchmaking.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    I agree, this event is a grindy mess. I saved marks for it and got to around 410k points in victory track after tons of grinding, and how I’m in GC having to use 15 energy for 375 points. I’m not expecting to win against these super high tier players, but we can’t seed and there’s no point increase from VT to GC (which is the dumbest thing ever).

    Wish I could just put some 2* in my deck and throw some matches for the remaining points.

    Its only been 8 days since the season kicked off, 410k points its a big number, you could have paced it and make it less grindy on yourself.
    410k was with elders marks and it didn’t take much effort. Using energy does, which I’ll have to do now anyways unless I buy them. I’ll pace this last section out but I’m tryna just be done with battlegrounds fast this season.
    You are not getting the point, you said "after tons of grinding". You are the one who decided to grind it in 8 days, no one forced you. It only takes 3 wins with elder marks to hit the top milestone in solo event. Its hardly grindy or has anything to do with seeding.
    I didn’t say anyone forced me lmao. The event design is still crappy because of the amount of points you earn per match. It should be less of a grind even if spaced out throughout the month. Also 3 wins? What are you even on about
    The event isn't really that grindy, people trying to rush to get the milestones made it grindy so it's on them really. I've been going for 18k-20k points (about three wins or two wins and two losses) a day mostly and I'm already at 170k points with 8.5k elder marks left. I did do a few more matches on certain days but I went for 18k-20k on most days and my elder marks stash is still full.
    Also, he is right about the three wins a day, if you win three matches a day with marks you're basically getting 20k points a day, more than enough to eventually hit all milestones.
  • Shadow_ShooterShadow_Shooter Member Posts: 431 ★★★
    Very well written, it’s the 1st time anniversary and rewards could’ve been done differently for festive reasons.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,848 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    I agree, this event is a grindy mess. I saved marks for it and got to around 410k points in victory track after tons of grinding, and how I’m in GC having to use 15 energy for 375 points. I’m not expecting to win against these super high tier players, but we can’t seed and there’s no point increase from VT to GC (which is the dumbest thing ever).

    Wish I could just put some 2* in my deck and throw some matches for the remaining points.

    Its only been 8 days since the season kicked off, 410k points its a big number, you could have paced it and make it less grindy on yourself.
    410k was with elders marks and it didn’t take much effort. Using energy does, which I’ll have to do now anyways unless I buy them. I’ll pace this last section out but I’m tryna just be done with battlegrounds fast this season.
    You are not getting the point, you said "after tons of grinding". You are the one who decided to grind it in 8 days, no one forced you. It only takes 3 wins with elder marks to hit the top milestone in solo event. Its hardly grindy or has anything to do with seeding.
    I didn’t say anyone forced me lmao. The event design is still crappy because of the amount of points you earn per match. It should be less of a grind even if spaced out throughout the month. Also 3 wins? What are you even on about
    Its already been done with the 7* celebration, its the same ammount of points.
    You are still not getting the point. YOU made it grindy by GRINDING for 8 days when you have almost 22 days left.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 4,712 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    Has Kabam at least replied at least once regarding this subject? There’s been dozens of threads. Its still not too late for them to do something about this
  • laserjohn26laserjohn26 Member Posts: 1,551 ★★★★★
    You don't have to hit all milestones. It is 100% optional.
  • Yodabolt21Yodabolt21 Member Posts: 2,603 ★★★★★
    It seemed pretty obvious to me last season they did the seeding with this specific event in mind. More points needed = more elder marks needed = more units (or cash) the player needs to spend. Pretty lowball move, but not one bit surprising. It’s things like these which is why the CCP exists and they didn’t consult them at all. At least I hope not, because if they did, the CCP failed miserably, or were just ignored, which happens often it seems.

    Either way, take away the current season for this, but points need to change. Seasons 1-10 I put up well over 500k points and averaged about 250 points in GC. Usually using marks for about 80% of the VT and mostly energy for GC. Last season was my lowest score ever at around 350k. Still won about the same amount of matches and played the same amount. Finished with 328 points in GC, my second highest ever.

    I like the seeding system due to it being less of a grind, but they need to update the point system. There is no reason that they can’t make platinum, diamond etc… matches more points when using elder marks each rank you move up. Even GC matches should reward more points than VT matches using elder marks. That would solve this issue and be easy to do.
  • Chuck_FinleyChuck_Finley Member Posts: 1,322 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    As long as milestones are tied to elders marks only with no regard to progressing through ranks… we are going to have nothing but unintended consequences such as point farming, etc.

    For instance, we have a member in the alliance that did little if any BG last season. He got to start in a much lower tier with saved elders marks and is killing it on milestones. He isn’t point farming - he is benefiting from not having played last season. Now he is up with some of the rest of us in vibranium. Obviously wins aren’t coming as easy, but he is basically coasting now. The rest of us are scrambling trying to score wins because we messed up and advanced way too far last season.

    A competitive mode has to have all aspects rewarding success and progression. When it doesn’t… you get nonsense outcomes like point farming or benefiting from not playing the mode the season before new rewards are released.
  • DrZolaDrZola Member Posts: 9,167 ★★★★★
    It would be kind of nice to toss some Elders Marks into Vibranium rewards.

    Dr. Zola
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