#BuffDeathlessGuillotine
MØNK3Y
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Just logged into my game, checked my roster, saw Deathless Guillotine and almost died of laughter. Oh wow is she terrible. I mean like come on Kabam, really??? the guy who designed her on the livestream said she wasn't a long fight champ but she isnt even a short fight champ. She's a reskin of pre buff guillotine and is absolutely unusable for anyone that gets her. Grinding for 7* nothing.
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The fact that you call this a "reskin" suggests that either a) you didn't actually look at the champion, you're just reacting to social media gibberish or b) you don't actually know how OG Guillotine worked, and what people liked and didn't like about her and are just assuming that the Deathless champ is identical to it.
Or, you know, it is just Monday on the forums.
Edited Note: No, I'm not asking for a powerful champion. I'm not asking for a super meta champion. I have both Guillotine and Purgatory R4 and use them both regularly whenever I can possibly make them work. But having a trophy champion feel so incredibly barebones isn't rewarding or satisfying in the slightest.
Do I expect her to be on Doom’s level? Absolutely not. But she’ll be fun to play and a real hit in the nostalgia for people who’ve been around the Contest for a while. I’m really happy with her coming back.
“Similar to those two champions [in reference to the difference between Guillotine 2099 and the original] this is not another reskin”.
So the question is this: would any reasonable player hear this quote and come to the conclusion that the level of difference we were going to see in this champion amounted to value changes? Guillotine 2099 is so different from guillotine that, on release, she elicited more comparisons to star lord and aegon than she did guillotine herself. Dare I say, the ONLY thing she shares in common with her are cosmetics and debuffs on basics. Why on earth would you invoke THIS comparison unless your intent was to showcase how fresh a champion was supposed to feel. There are half a dozen examples of value buff champions they could have used- but they chose to use an example where we saw a kit completely alien to the original which set the community up to be disappointed.
Again, how strong she is really a non issue for me. They said explicitly she would not be meta defining- all good. They DID go out of their way to harp on how *different* she would be which is why this misses the mark [with the caveat that hopefully this is just a filler kit]
"If were to just guillotine with a new skin, that would kind of fall flat"
"These are going to have, not a completely new kit, but we would be taking a kit and creating something unique"
"We want to make sure there are some call backs but what we settled on was a Remix of the champion"
That's a whole lot of sentences which could have said: We will be giving value updates to the original guillotine. There is nothing unique or special about value tune ups. A "call back" is like a cute nod to the original. Kind of like how Guillotine 2099 places debuts on basic hits and has massive damage sp3 capability. A shot for shot remake on a newer camera is not a "call back" its the same champ with 3 numbers being edited. Ill grant you it didn't need to be a ground up rework, that doesn't mean you get to extend the fury duration on Ms marvel and claim she's not a reskin of captain marvel
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This very much feels like "nod to old kit", "something unique", and "not a reskin".
I personally can't wait to get her and add her to my BGs deck, she will probably do very well there.
Guillotines damage is heavily reliant on RNG and bleeds. Cool let's change that to be a degen to be more versatile, increase her crit rate and guarantee degens on the crits.
Hey her sp3 kills all ramp she has, so once she uses it, the fight is basically over for her. Cool let's change that so she only gets rid of half of the souls.
It is much better than Ms Marvel to OG Cap Marvel. That is a reskin.
Deathless guillotine is basically the buffed (not reworked) version of the old guillotine kit which IS something a lot of people wanted and asked for.
I cant tell if you actually read what I wrote about captain marvel so Ill say it again: If kabam announced that they were going to make Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel No longer reskins of each other then pointed at Photon and Captain Marvel MCU saying “similar to how those two arent just reskins of each other” then rolled out the changes and it turned out that what they meant is that they gave Ms Marvel 3 bonus seconds on her fury and higher chance to proc it you would be completely in the right to call them out for deceptively comparing the magnitude of these changes to Photon and Captain Marvel MCU.
How on earth does this even approach the universe that Guillotine 2099 and Guillotine represent relative to one another? Seriously is it just because we are using champions that this is muddied? If I said, look at the sun and Saturn: Im gonna make something thats similar to how those two planetary bodies are not that close to each other. I then put a ring on Saturn. You're right in staying “its not where Saturn is exactly” but dead wrong in trying to justify claims that invoking the sun was a fair way to set expectations and thus imply that Im somehow in the wrong for not expecting something far off from what we received, ESPECIALLY when you had several chances to express exactly what this was with language they had literally specifically created for this type of change: “A tune up”. “A value change”. Not “like how guillotine 2099 is not a reskin of guillotine”
Their abilities are very similar. In fact, for the most part, the abilities are straight from OG Guillotine. But, there are changes that make this more than a tuneup. For example, she now inflicts Degeneration instead of Bleed. She will always infect a Degeneration on Critical Hits. And she only consumes half of her Souls off the SP3 (rounded down). These changes come with tuned up versions of the original Guillotine abilities and some new base stats.
I know these changes are small but just because it's a rung above a reskin does not mean it automatically can be categorized as one. In my opinion, there is enough difference to warrant Deathless Guillotine being her own thing. If anything, your example does not fit because it's not purely value changes.
Seriously which of those is a more disingenuous presentation: me calling this a reskin or kabam marketing the editing of 5 numbers as “this will be like how Guillotine 2099 is not a reskin of guillotine”. Why even bring her up knowing you were creating nothing anywhere NEAR the level of work that took. If 2099 and OG didnt share a character model you wouldnt even know they were based on the same character