Hercules era is finally over.

[Deleted User] · May 16

I know it sounds odd but I think Hercules's value declined drastically in the last months.

The main reason is that KABAM trying to erase him from MCOC history and his utility is not good enough.
He's not good against almost any new bosses, he's good on AW but personally, I bring different heroes for war. He's not the N1 choice anymore.
In BG he's a good attacker and mid defender.

His main utility is his immortality. Without it, he's just a good damage dealer, nothing more. I'm sure many people have already removed him from their decks. Secondly, I don't think he's the best cosmic champion anymore. If you desperately need immortality, maybe. But in almost any other scenario he's not good enough. For me, Hulkling is now the ultimate cosmic Goat. On attack, CGR is miles better than him.

He's still the best champion for new players or early paragons but for endgame players, he's not the n1 anymore.

JT_Supreme · May 16

Everytime I use him in war his immortality doesn’t trigger. But yeah I just use him for incursions, yet I can’t even do that this month.

Nemesis_17 · May 16

He is still the strongest champ in the game, just no longer the most meta relevant, and that’s really only for higher paragon or valiant players. He’s still the best champ for incursions, and is a solid bgs champ even though he isn’t the best. I still consider him the best champ in the game personally

ahmynuts · May 16

I mean. He still bonks every single boss in the recent months. He can even bonk stuff kabam specifically design to not have him bonk.
Kinda don't know what you're waffling about here man

Emilia90 · May 16

I’ll always be a Hulkling glazer. Fantastic champ design that lets him take on most meta defenders because of how universal his mechanics are. Probably not seeing him as a 7* for a long while but I can dream

Herc is still goated but he is definitely seeing less use cause of Kabam interference. He’s mid in Necro, not usable in incursions this month, and he’s not the best cosmic for battlegrounds. Still busted either way

Xanderfish_21 · May 16

Herc was never OP imo he was the most balanced champ everything he had was counterable

[Deleted User] · May 16

ahmynuts said:
I mean. He still bonks every single boss in the recent months. He can even bonk stuff kabam specifically design to not have him bonk.
Kinda don't know what you're waffling about here man

He works somehow but there are at least 10 champions who work better than him. For example against this new 8.4 boss. He's just unusable.

Demonzfyre · May 16

QalibZaman said:
I know it sounds odd but I think Hercules's value declined drastically in the last months.

The main reason is that KABAM trying to erase him from MCOC history and his utility is not good enough.
He's not good against almost any new bosses, he's good on AW but personally, I bring different heroes for war. He's not the N1 choice anymore.
In BG he's a good attacker and mid defender.

His main utility is his immortality. Without it, he's just a good damage dealer, nothing more. I'm sure many people have already removed him from their decks. Secondly, I don't think he's the best cosmic champion anymore. If you desperately need immortality, maybe. But in almost any other scenario he's not good enough. For me, Hulkling is now the ultimate cosmic Goat. On attack, CGR is miles better than him.

He's still the best champion for new players or early paragons but for endgame players, he's not the n1 anymore.

So what you're saying is you now know what most of us have known for awhile? Hercules has never been a good or mid defender by the way.

The only thing that drew people to herc was his ability to save revives and extend fights, especially close to K.O'ing the defender. He doesn't and hasn't ever had utility.

Kabam has always stressed the importance of having a diverse roster. And now they're seemingly holding up to that. I love there are fights designed to test the depth of our rosters. Herc has been the number 1 option for those that tend to lack creativity and overall skill. Those who don't like anything but simple rotations.

Bugmat78 · May 16

JT_Supreme said:
Everytime I use him in war his immortality doesn’t trigger. But yeah I just use him for incursions, yet I can’t even do that this month.

That's the assassin mastery at work

captain_rogers · May 16

Well there are some places still in game where it's either herc or revive fest. I don't think there are many places where it's "hulkling or revive fest" or something similar.

Herc, doom, kitty, quake all are evergreen champs. Yes their utility is not useful for endgame players, but still you probably need them in deck sometime.

After bgs, the game shifted more towards battlegrounds, and while herc is a amazing bg attacker, He is definitely not top of the class. But he is still my no1 FAM counter in bgs, and I put him on defense occassionally since it's just a free 10 second waste for them in defense unless they use a nullifying mystic. Gues I haven't reached that level to remove him from my bg deck lol.

captain_rogers · May 16

Personally I think CGR is the best cosmic attacker, and hulkling is the best cosmic bg champion. One thing I wanna add is, Galan, who used to be in the levels of cgr hulkling nd herc, silently faded away. Nowadays no one uses them but why? He is supposed to be a bg champ lol.

ahmynuts · May 16

QalibZaman said:

ahmynuts said:
I mean. He still bonks every single boss in the recent months. He can even bonk stuff kabam specifically design to not have him bonk.
Kinda don't know what you're waffling about here man
He works somehow but there are at least 10 champions who work better than him. For example against this new 8.4 boss. He's just unusable.

Well that's not what you said. You said he didnt work when he does. There's just champs that are designed to do specific things that do them better than he does

altavista · May 16

QalibZaman said:

His main utility is his immortality. Without it, he's just a good damage dealer, nothing more.

I strongly disagree with this. You are underselling his damage, which is a utility unto itself.

Autoblock and Miss are more annoying than ever. Hulkling is great but he doesn’t counter Miss. Just as Hulkling is better than Herc if power drain or hitting into block is preferred, Herc is better at other matchups such as needing Stun immunity and miss countering for example.

I rarely use him just for his Immortality.
If I need to rely on Unblockable and Immortal buffs, I am playing him wrong (outside of the niche matchups with unavoidable damage).

Additionally, Immortality definitely has never been a Utility in BGs as an attacker. It might help as a stall tactic on defense, but Immortality is not something you want Herc in your deck for.

WinterFields · May 16

Herc was one of the best choices to use on the left side of the WoW final week

[Deleted User] · May 16

ahmynuts said:

QalibZaman said:

ahmynuts said:
I mean. He still bonks every single boss in the recent months. He can even bonk stuff kabam specifically design to not have him bonk.
Kinda don't know what you're waffling about here man
He works somehow but there are at least 10 champions who work better than him. For example against this new 8.4 boss. He's just unusable.
Well that's not what you said. You said he didnt work when he does. There's just champs that are designed to do specific things that do them better than he does

Nah, I said he's not good enough. He's still usable.

captain_rogers · May 16

@altavista Also don't forget his main piece of utility. Infuriate and ease access of intercepts. With the AI behaving the wierdest way possible, his infuriates are really very handy when you want to constantly intercept. I find it funny that many think herc = immortality. Lol.

Emilia90 · May 16

captain_rogers said:
Personally I think CGR is the best cosmic attacker, and hulkling is the best cosmic bg champion. One thing I wanna add is, Galan, who used to be in the levels of cgr hulkling nd herc, silently faded away. Nowadays no one uses them but why? He is supposed to be a bg champ lol.

Hulkling and CGR punch up pretty easily while Galan doesn’t. Galan’s harvest isn’t always enough now

[Deleted User] · May 16

PT_99 · May 16

Actually we do require these timely bait posts to make sure Kabam thinks players are moving away from Hercules 😌

EdisonLaw · May 16

Herc may be broken but he can still do a lot.

[Deleted User] · May 16

PT_99 said:
Actually we do require these timely bait posts to make sure Kabam thinks players are moving away from Hercules 😌

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Wicket329 · May 16

PT_99 said:
Actually we do require these timely bait posts to make sure Kabam thinks players are moving away from Hercules 😌

lol my first thought when I saw this thread was that it was a covert play for a 7* Herc

[Deleted User] · May 16

Wicket329 said:

PT_99 said:
Actually we do require these timely bait posts to make sure Kabam thinks players are moving away from Hercules 😌
lol my first thought when I saw this thread was that it was a covert play for a 7* Herc

The only way to make Hercules great again is to release him as a 7*..

GroundedWisdom · May 16

QalibZaman said:

Wicket329 said:

PT_99 said:
Actually we do require these timely bait posts to make sure Kabam thinks players are moving away from Hercules 😌
lol my first thought when I saw this thread was that it was a covert play for a 7* Herc
The only way to make Hercules great again is to release him as a 7*..

Make Hercules Great Again.....I'll reply to this the same way I replied to the other, more popular phrase.
"It's already great. If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

GrO_ot78 · May 16

Nah…i used him in necro a month ago, i use him in BG every day, and he’s always on my cosmic team with Odin, Angela, CGR and Hulkling in EQ/SQ.

CGR is faster, Angela got immunities, but Herc is Herc…the original G 🧨💥🔥🔥🔥

Blax999 · May 16

I pratically always have him on my team during EQ/SQ, especially if I encounter a new boss character (and I didn't read all the description yet oops)
But yes, I used him less than before for sure.

Lokx · May 16

I mean i still use him for story quest paths. He is a safe reliable choice.

ItsClobberinTime · May 16

While I can't understand how people don't get bored of using the same cheat code on SQ and EQ every single month, no he still is the best even if he's not as meta relevant in BGs.

BringPopcorn · May 16

They have been making anti Hercules nodes for a while...
And he is the new corvus for a lot of AQ maps...

Blax999 · May 17

ItsClobberinTime said:
While I can't understand how people don't get bored of using the same cheat code on SQ and EQ every single month, no he still is the best even if he's not as meta relevant in BGs.

You can have him on your team without using him if you don't have to, though. He's more like a safety net.
And you're right that boredom makes me use more Hulking and CGR or new 7*s on the cosmic quest

SecondSkriller · May 17

Nemesis_17 said:
He is still the strongest champ in the game, just no longer the most meta relevant, and that’s really only for higher paragon or valiant players. He’s still the best champ for incursions, and is a solid bgs champ even though he isn’t the best. I still consider him the best champ in the game personally

Have you seen the amount of fisticuffs peppered towards zone 25? There’s so many nodes that counter buffs in incursions nowadays that he’s not even reliable anymore.

Hercules era is finally over.

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