Kabam Miike wrote: » LiquidButt wrote: » @Kabam Miike Maybe i missed it but how often does this crystal get "refreshed" ? like how often do the 18 champs get changed? There will be a New Crystal every 3 Months. This Crystal will feature the 6 newest Champions, and another pool of 18 Champions as the Base Pool.
LiquidButt wrote: » @Kabam Miike Maybe i missed it but how often does this crystal get "refreshed" ? like how often do the 18 champs get changed?
DNA3000 wrote: » bloodyCain wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » bloodyCain wrote: » I have serious question right here and need an answer. 1) Will the new 5* Featured crystal has the same drop rate chance as in the basic 5* crystal but limited to only 24? Because that's what I think you guys are trying to do. Yes, every Champion in the 5-Star Featured Crystal will have exactly the same chance to drop from the Crystal. There is a clear cons on the new 5* Featured crystal: the chance to get our favourite 5* champ from the 6 new champs will be reduced significantly. The better way to do, if the plan to do new 5* Featured crystal is unavoidable, is to make the same chance to get the featured champ in the current 5* Featured crystal only apply to the 6 new champs. It's not fair to have the same drop rate to all 24 champs when the curated 18 champs aren't even in our concern. Logically speaking, why would we waste our time to collect 5* shards only to spend the extra 5k shard on new 5* Featured crystal and not getting one of those 6 new champs? I bet everyone will agree with me. I don't think that bet is a good idea. I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but both options seem wrong. The estimated chance to get the featured in the current featured 5* crystal is about 20% or one in five. You don't want them to make the chance to get one of the featured champs in the new crystal one in five, because the announced version has a six in twenty four or one in four chance to get a featured champion. It is higher. Alternatively, if you mean the odds of pulling *each* featured in the announced crystal should be the same as the odds of pulling featured in the current crystal, that's impossible. There are six of them, and if each had a one in five chance of being pulled that's 120%. That's mathematically meaningless.
bloodyCain wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » bloodyCain wrote: » I have serious question right here and need an answer. 1) Will the new 5* Featured crystal has the same drop rate chance as in the basic 5* crystal but limited to only 24? Because that's what I think you guys are trying to do. Yes, every Champion in the 5-Star Featured Crystal will have exactly the same chance to drop from the Crystal. There is a clear cons on the new 5* Featured crystal: the chance to get our favourite 5* champ from the 6 new champs will be reduced significantly. The better way to do, if the plan to do new 5* Featured crystal is unavoidable, is to make the same chance to get the featured champ in the current 5* Featured crystal only apply to the 6 new champs. It's not fair to have the same drop rate to all 24 champs when the curated 18 champs aren't even in our concern. Logically speaking, why would we waste our time to collect 5* shards only to spend the extra 5k shard on new 5* Featured crystal and not getting one of those 6 new champs? I bet everyone will agree with me.
Kabam Miike wrote: » bloodyCain wrote: » I have serious question right here and need an answer. 1) Will the new 5* Featured crystal has the same drop rate chance as in the basic 5* crystal but limited to only 24? Because that's what I think you guys are trying to do. Yes, every Champion in the 5-Star Featured Crystal will have exactly the same chance to drop from the Crystal.
bloodyCain wrote: » I have serious question right here and need an answer. 1) Will the new 5* Featured crystal has the same drop rate chance as in the basic 5* crystal but limited to only 24? Because that's what I think you guys are trying to do.
GroundedWisdom wrote: » You aren't getting an increased chance at Ant-Man.
bloodyCain wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » bloodyCain wrote: » Kabam Miike wrote: » bloodyCain wrote: » I have serious question right here and need an answer. 1) Will the new 5* Featured crystal has the same drop rate chance as in the basic 5* crystal but limited to only 24? Because that's what I think you guys are trying to do. Yes, every Champion in the 5-Star Featured Crystal will have exactly the same chance to drop from the Crystal. There is a clear cons on the new 5* Featured crystal: the chance to get our favourite 5* champ from the 6 new champs will be reduced significantly. The better way to do, if the plan to do new 5* Featured crystal is unavoidable, is to make the same chance to get the featured champ in the current 5* Featured crystal only apply to the 6 new champs. It's not fair to have the same drop rate to all 24 champs when the curated 18 champs aren't even in our concern. Logically speaking, why would we waste our time to collect 5* shards only to spend the extra 5k shard on new 5* Featured crystal and not getting one of those 6 new champs? I bet everyone will agree with me. I don't think that bet is a good idea. I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but both options seem wrong. The estimated chance to get the featured in the current featured 5* crystal is about 20% or one in five. You don't want them to make the chance to get one of the featured champs in the new crystal one in five, because the announced version has a six in twenty four or one in four chance to get a featured champion. It is higher. Alternatively, if you mean the odds of pulling *each* featured in the announced crystal should be the same as the odds of pulling featured in the current crystal, that's impossible. There are six of them, and if each had a one in five chance of being pulled that's 120%. That's mathematically meaningless. Do you even math? Even if the chance to pull the 6 new champs among the 24 is 20% per champ, one crystal is still giving you 20% chance to get one of them. You can't add all of them and assuming that is the chance of you getting them from the crystal.
Sugardaddy1129 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » You aren't getting an increased chance at Ant-Man. I’ll give you a hand with the math... Basic Pool - 84 champions (when the new crystal arrives), one of which is Ant-Man. Therefore, I have a 1/84, or 1.19%, chance to pull him from a basic, 10k shard 5* crystal. New Featured Pool - 24 champions, one of which is Antman. From this crystal, I have a 1/24, or 4.16%, chance at pulling him from this awful new Featured 5* Crystal. Seems to me that if I want to dupe one of the worst champions in the game for the third time, the featured is the way to go.
JasonMBryant wrote: » @Kabam Miike I would like to make one suggestion. There's one thing I like about this. If there's a champ in my roster that I'd really like to dupe, and that champ is in the crystal, then the odds of pulling him are much greater. However, if there *aren't* any champs that I want, then I have to wait 3 months for the next version of the crystal. That's painfully long. I suggest changing the crystal every month. It would still have 6 new champs, but they would be the 6 most recent. So every month 2 are removed, 4 stay, and the 2 newest champs are added in. The other 18 are refreshed. So if you don't like the heroes in this month's crystal, you can wait one month for a new batch instead of three months. Imagine a bad, but likely common scenario with the crystal you've proposed. The current crystal doesn't have something you want. You wait 3 months, then the champs you want *still* aren't in the crystal. You waited 3 months for nothing, and now your choices are the bad odds of the regular crystal or wait *another* 3 months with no guarantee that the next crystal will have what you want. A monthly refresh would add a lot of hope to this crystal.
beyonder8421 wrote: » Dr_ARCHer wrote: » Wow. Just one night and we have such a long thread. What are the odds of GMC versus the odds of the featured 5* crystals? The Grandmaster Crystal has 3 and 4 stars in it. The Grandmaster featured as well, but seems to have an increased chance for 5 stars compared to the normal one (just my observation). So they cannot really be compared to 5 star crystals.
Dr_ARCHer wrote: » Wow. Just one night and we have such a long thread. What are the odds of GMC versus the odds of the featured 5* crystals?
Corpsman wrote: » Sugardaddy1129 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » You aren't getting an increased chance at Ant-Man. I’ll give you a hand with the math... Basic Pool - 84 champions (when the new crystal arrives), one of which is Ant-Man. Therefore, I have a 1/84, or 1.19%, chance to pull him from a basic, 10k shard 5* crystal. New Featured Pool - 24 champions, one of which is Antman. From this crystal, I have a 1/24, or 4.16%, chance at pulling him from this awful new Featured 5* Crystal. Seems to me that if I want to dupe one of the worst champions in the game for the third time, the featured is the way to go. Dude you should be excited. Kabam said he’s one of the most effective champs in aw.
tutyimutyi wrote: » I think it makes sence,i am going to save 45k,to open 3 featured and pull 2,or 3 antmans,because of the REAL rng.
GroundedWisdom wrote: » Sugardaddy1129 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » You aren't getting an increased chance at Ant-Man. I’ll give you a hand with the math... Basic Pool - 84 champions (when the new crystal arrives), one of which is Ant-Man. Therefore, I have a 1/84, or 1.19%, chance to pull him from a basic, 10k shard 5* crystal. New Featured Pool - 24 champions, one of which is Antman. From this crystal, I have a 1/24, or 4.16%, chance at pulling him from this awful new Featured 5* Crystal. Seems to me that if I want to dupe one of the worst champions in the game for the third time, the featured is the way to go. It's not advertised as "Increased Chance At Ant-Man". The probability may be greater, but probability is not concrete when we are dealing with RNG. Actually, your math is correct, but the focus is not right. The current Crystal has a higher Basic probability than anything. That means you currently have a greater chance at a Champ you don't want.
Dr_ARCHer wrote: » beyonder8421 wrote: » Dr_ARCHer wrote: » Wow. Just one night and we have such a long thread. What are the odds of GMC versus the odds of the featured 5* crystals? The Grandmaster Crystal has 3 and 4 stars in it. The Grandmaster featured as well, but seems to have an increased chance for 5 stars compared to the normal one (just my observation). So they cannot really be compared to 5 star crystals. Actually, if you focus only on the featured 5* and the non featured 5*, you can work out the expected number of units needed to get the featured 5* and the non featured 5*. Say you want the featured 5* champ. You can either purchase the featured 5* crystal (@ 15000 shards per crystal) and the non featured GMC (@200 units per crystal), or you purchase the featured GMC (@300 units per crystal) and the non featured 5* crystal (@10000 shards per crystal). If you have 600 units and 30000 shards, you can buy 2 featured 5* crystals and 3 non featured GMCs, or you can buy 3 non featured 5* and 2 featured GMCs. Which one gives you higher odds of getting featured 5* and which one gives you high odds of non featured 5*? BTW, my own data suggested that the odds of pulling a 5* (featured or non featured) from a featured GMC seems higher than a non featured GMC. This is consistent with your observation.
DNA3000 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » Sugardaddy1129 wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » You aren't getting an increased chance at Ant-Man. I’ll give you a hand with the math... Basic Pool - 84 champions (when the new crystal arrives), one of which is Ant-Man. Therefore, I have a 1/84, or 1.19%, chance to pull him from a basic, 10k shard 5* crystal. New Featured Pool - 24 champions, one of which is Antman. From this crystal, I have a 1/24, or 4.16%, chance at pulling him from this awful new Featured 5* Crystal. Seems to me that if I want to dupe one of the worst champions in the game for the third time, the featured is the way to go. It's not advertised as "Increased Chance At Ant-Man". The probability may be greater, but probability is not concrete when we are dealing with RNG. Actually, your math is correct, but the focus is not right. The current Crystal has a higher Basic probability than anything. That means you currently have a greater chance at a Champ you don't want. How is it possible that in this entire thread, this is the most bizarre sequence of words I've read all day.
Dr_ARCHer wrote: » We will not know if we are better off with the new crystals from the old ones until we know what were the odds for the old crystals.
Ganui wrote: » i want to see those odds as for me atm the odds are 0% (over a decent amount of tries) to get any 5* out of the fgmc, nevertheless a featured 5*
