5-Star Featured Crystal Change Discussion Thread

Summoners!

We've just released some more information on the future of the 5-Star Featured Crystal here: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/43300/upcoming-changes-to-5-star-featured-crystal

We know you've got questions, and this is the place to ask and discuss!

FAQ

Will you announce the pool of 18 each time it changes?
We do plan on sharing the list every time the crystal is updated.

Can you buy the 5 star featured crystal with units or only shards?
This crystal is replacing the currently available 15,000 Shard Featured Hero Crystals.

So does it means that if a new champ comes to the Battle Realm we won't be able to get them as a 5* right away?
You will still be able to get them in the Grandmaster Featured Crystal, but they will not be available in a featured 5-Star Hero Shard Crystal until they are added to this new Crystal. So, this might mean having to wait a little while to get some Champions, but it also gives you a shot at 6 New Champions at a time, as well as a smaller Basic pool.

Comments

richo82

Or is it lazyness because they dont have to re code the crystal as often, 1 less sofware engineer to employ

Hulksmasshh

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Mmx1991 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Mmx1991 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LocoMotives wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Collector6789 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Collector6789 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.

They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.

Have you ever gone for a feature 5*? I have over 20 times, they’re a lot of fun and the part of the game I look forward to most. The spin is exciting, I even occasionally watch the spins of others. I like having a small amount of (earned) control over my roster, I’m definitely going to miss it.

Spinning any Crystal has that excitement. You always hope for what you want. Let's face it. What's going to be missed is the fast-track to a new Champ.

Anything fast tracked about grinding your fingers off for 6 months saving 150k shards for a specific champ? Or is it fast tracking when whales spend Odins and get them in 10 minutes?

It doesn't take 6 months to open a Crystal that has a drop rate higher than any other in the game, as far as one specific Champ is concerned.

It takes many months of grinding to save 120-135k shards for a specific champ. Much slower than a whale who spins him in 10 minutes.

Kabam just screwed every player who worked hard for their champions.

What do whales have to do with it? You think they are benefitting from this? Statistically, those whales have more Shards than you. Which is why they roll every Champ they go for. You would be staggered to see the results of the GMC. Have a look on YouTube sometime. The amount of money you would have to invest to compensate for drops that the current Featured Crystals have is just ludicrous. Some may have that much money, sure. Certainly not a target audience. The changes mean fair drops. Not better drops for those that allegedly work harder.

GW you’re off the mark on this one. This change indirectly benefits all the whales who are willing to spend thousands on feature grandmaster crystals to get the feature 5* champion, because of the now exclusivity of new 5* champions. I’m referring to the higher tier players so try to stay with me. The best way to get the latest 5* version of a new champion is through feature grandmaster crystals, especially if a new champion is released just after the latest 3-month feature 5* crystal. You would need 24 new feature 5* crystals (360k 5* shards) to have the same chance as 5 feature 5* crystals now (assuming 20% feature chance). So if a new champion comes out that is absolutely god-tier and with top prestige, the whales who have thousands to spend on this game are the ones who will get that champion and have a higher edge on non-whales. Where as before, any BrianGrant could save up all their 5* shards and have a pretty decent chance at getting the featured 5* champion if they saved enough. To say that this change will not affect at all the amount of feature grandmaster crystals being purchased is naive.

“The amount of money you would have to invest to compensate for drops that the current Featured Crystals have is just ludicrous” - that is the definition of a whale, now you know.

Mmx1991

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

What do whales have to do with it? You think they are benefitting from this? Statistically, those whales have more Shards than you. Which is why they roll every Champ they go for. You would be staggered to see the results of the GMC. Have a look on YouTube sometime. The amount of money you would have to invest to compensate for drops that the current Featured Crystals have is just ludicrous. Some may have that much money, sure. Certainly not a target audience.

You mentioned that "fast-tracking" will be missed with these new crystals. For many players there wasn't any fast tracking. Many would grind their butts off and save for 5 months for a feature. Fast tracking is when whales spin them in out 5 minutes.

The new featured crystal will only lengthen the divide between whales and players who earn their champs through hard work.

The changes mean fair drops. Not better drops for those that allegedly work harder.

So hard work is unfair now? Someone who saves for 8 tries at a feature is somehow oppressing and unfairly dominating someone who only has 3 tries? And because of that we should make it harder for everyone so we can protect the lazy and unwilling?

GroundedWisdom

Hulksmasshh wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Mmx1991 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Mmx1991 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LocoMotives wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Collector6789 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Collector6789 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.

They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.

Have you ever gone for a feature 5*? I have over 20 times, they’re a lot of fun and the part of the game I look forward to most. The spin is exciting, I even occasionally watch the spins of others. I like having a small amount of (earned) control over my roster, I’m definitely going to miss it.

Spinning any Crystal has that excitement. You always hope for what you want. Let's face it. What's going to be missed is the fast-track to a new Champ.

Anything fast tracked about grinding your fingers off for 6 months saving 150k shards for a specific champ? Or is it fast tracking when whales spend Odins and get them in 10 minutes?

It doesn't take 6 months to open a Crystal that has a drop rate higher than any other in the game, as far as one specific Champ is concerned.

It takes many months of grinding to save 120-135k shards for a specific champ. Much slower than a whale who spins him in 10 minutes.

Kabam just screwed every player who worked hard for their champions.

What do whales have to do with it? You think they are benefitting from this? Statistically, those whales have more Shards than you. Which is why they roll every Champ they go for. You would be staggered to see the results of the GMC. Have a look on YouTube sometime. The amount of money you would have to invest to compensate for drops that the current Featured Crystals have is just ludicrous. Some may have that much money, sure. Certainly not a target audience. The changes mean fair drops. Not better drops for those that allegedly work harder.

GW you’re off the mark on this one. This change indirectly benefits all the whales who are willing to spend thousands on feature grandmaster crystals to get the feature 5* champion, because of the now exclusivity of new 5* champions. I’m referring to the higher tier players so try to stay with me. The best way to get the latest 5* version of a new champion is through feature grandmaster crystals, especially if a new champion is released just after the latest 3-month feature 5* crystal. You would need 24 new feature 5* crystals (360k 5* shards) to have the same chance as 5 feature 5* crystals now (assuming 20% feature chance). So if a new champion comes out that is absolutely god-tier and with top prestige, the whales who have thousands to spend on this game are the ones who will get that champion and have a higher edge on non-whales. Where as before, any BrianGrant could save up all their 5* shards and have a pretty decent chance at getting the featured 5* champion if they saved enough. To say that this change will not affect at all the amount of feature grandmaster crystals being purchased is naive.

“The amount of money you would have to invest to compensate for drops that the current Featured Crystals have is just ludicrous” - that is the definition of a whale, now you know.

Nothing is stopping that from happening now. Although I don't think the number of people who have that much to spend is large. Anyone can buy the GMC right now. Whether spending or Shards, those whales are going to get what they want in any system. This change is about the Crystals, not the spending. That's just my opinion.

Collector6789

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Hulksmasshh wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Mmx1991 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Mmx1991 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LocoMotives wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Collector6789 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Collector6789 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

People earn their Shards the same way, with the exception of a few Offers. How they spend them is really not that consequential. I don't believe it's possible that NO ONE will buy it. However, I don't think it makes a difference to them whether you purchase a Basic or a Featured.

Your absolutely right. They don't care what you spend your shards on, only that you spend your units and money on the featured grandmaster crystals.

I can't say that that's accurate either. We don't know the rates of those Crystals, but I suspect that landing a Featured 5* would be less than 4%.

Your once again missing the point. They don't care what your chances are. If you buy the FGMC there is a 100% chance of 1 thing....increasing their profits.

They may be a business, but that doesn't mean every change is for the sole purpose of extracting money.

Have you ever gone for a feature 5*? I have over 20 times, they’re a lot of fun and the part of the game I look forward to most. The spin is exciting, I even occasionally watch the spins of others. I like having a small amount of (earned) control over my roster, I’m definitely going to miss it.

Spinning any Crystal has that excitement. You always hope for what you want. Let's face it. What's going to be missed is the fast-track to a new Champ.

Anything fast tracked about grinding your fingers off for 6 months saving 150k shards for a specific champ? Or is it fast tracking when whales spend Odins and get them in 10 minutes?

It doesn't take 6 months to open a Crystal that has a drop rate higher than any other in the game, as far as one specific Champ is concerned.

It takes many months of grinding to save 120-135k shards for a specific champ. Much slower than a whale who spins him in 10 minutes.

Kabam just screwed every player who worked hard for their champions.

What do whales have to do with it? You think they are benefitting from this? Statistically, those whales have more Shards than you. Which is why they roll every Champ they go for. You would be staggered to see the results of the GMC. Have a look on YouTube sometime. The amount of money you would have to invest to compensate for drops that the current Featured Crystals have is just ludicrous. Some may have that much money, sure. Certainly not a target audience. The changes mean fair drops. Not better drops for those that allegedly work harder.

GW you’re off the mark on this one. This change indirectly benefits all the whales who are willing to spend thousands on feature grandmaster crystals to get the feature 5* champion, because of the now exclusivity of new 5* champions. I’m referring to the higher tier players so try to stay with me. The best way to get the latest 5* version of a new champion is through feature grandmaster crystals, especially if a new champion is released just after the latest 3-month feature 5* crystal. You would need 24 new feature 5* crystals (360k 5* shards) to have the same chance as 5 feature 5* crystals now (assuming 20% feature chance). So if a new champion comes out that is absolutely god-tier and with top prestige, the whales who have thousands to spend on this game are the ones who will get that champion and have a higher edge on non-whales. Where as before, any BrianGrant could save up all their 5* shards and have a pretty decent chance at getting the featured 5* champion if they saved enough. To say that this change will not affect at all the amount of feature grandmaster crystals being purchased is naive.

“The amount of money you would have to invest to compensate for drops that the current Featured Crystals have is just ludicrous” - that is the definition of a whale, now you know.

Nothing is stopping that from happening now. Although I don't think the number of people who have that much to spend is large. Anyone can buy the GMC right now. Whether spending or Shards, those whales are going to get what they want in any system. This change is about the Crystals, not the spending. That's just my opinion.

And your totally entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong.

Mmx1991

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Whether spending or Shards, those whales are going to get what they want in any system.

Except that now, non-whales can't get what they want. Non-whales don't have the option of saving anymore.

This change is about the Crystals, not the spending.

Which is why non-whales are getting screwed...

Make sense now?

KyrieRed

The community never likes your head scratching ideas. Take a hint Kabam!!!

crunaction

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Just talked to the team, and they are comfortable with sharing the list of Champions we plan to include in the first Featured Champion Crystal. It's important to note that this list could still potentially change a little before the release, but the selected Champions are based on empirical data showing their effectiveness as 5-Star Champions in both Alliance Quests and Alliance Wars.

Beast
Storm
Cable
Cyclops (New Xavier School)
Thor (Ragnarok)
Taskmaster
Agent Venom
Hawkeye
Modok
Sentry
Void
Ant-Man
Mordo
Thor (Jane Foster)
Loki
Juggernaut
Hela
Phoenix
Ronan
Venompool
Nebula
Punisher (2099)
Civil Warrior
Doctor Octopus

Bold Text denotes Featured Champions.

@Kabam Miike if this list is really based off AQ/AW, im certainly surprised that many mystic champs are not in there. e.g. magik, dormammu. magik esp since she is used as both attacker and defender in both AQ/AW. Dormammu is of course, AQ boss and a common AW mini and boss. Other champs like iceman, spiderman and nightcrawler are also all over AW at all tier level. im very sure they have been more effective and widely used than champs like antman, venompool, beast, jane thor and civil warrior.

i can see why champs like phoenix, storm, cable and cyclops are in e list (possible effective defenders at lower AW tiers while cable n cyclops (previous season) are mini bosses) but definitely not the above 5.

Svain

Guys, you do realize that GroundedWisdom will argue with you that the sky is not blue on a clear sunny day, right? There really isn't any point in trying. He's what we call a keyboard warrior.

Hell, the dude tried to argue that "all intensive purposes" was correct so he didn't look like an idiot.

Joca619

One More Nerf wow. . . I think kabam didn't earning well from GMC. . If want 5* featured hero Spend money you will get at least 3* version maybe. . . . I m finally done with this game. . . your keep ruining Awesome game i really disappointed and quiting #boycottmcoc #boycottmcoc

Deadlyslayer007

With the introduction of this please do 3 things

1: lower cost to 7500 and 10000 respectively

2: are the odds in the 10k crystal the same for each champ? like the percentage for the upcoming 25k

3: increase inventory space of T2A etc with this upcoming change to allow us to save a little longer

please respond
thx

GroundedWisdom

Mmx1991 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Whether spending or Shards, those whales are going to get what they want in any system.

Except that now, non-whales can't get what they want. Non-whales don't have the option of saving anymore.

This change is about the Crystals, not the spending.

Which is why non-whales are getting screwed...

Make sense now?

Spending is not a justification. The game is built on a spending-optional model. It's not about competing with those that are spending. Any game that allows spending is going to see people who spend advance faster. There isn't anything to be done that would resolve that outside of making it entirely free, in which case there wouldn't be a game to play.
That's not just the game. It's life. I'm sure we would all like to have access to what people with significant funds have, but if we don't have the money, then we don't.
Back to the Crystal. As I said before, the drop rate was too high in my opinion. I'm for it because it gives an equal chance at any Champ in the Crystal, increased chance at a new Champ, a rotation of Champs that were already overcrowding it (something that has been brought up many times by Players), and allows for more educated decisions on what people choose to venture for. There are more factors that go into justifying it for me than the increased chance at a Champ as soon as it comes out. People spending is not a consequence for me. It's their money.

SgtSlaughter78

DNA3000 wrote: »

SgtSlaughter78 wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

SgtSlaughter78 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Grimmbear wrote: »

I mean this in the worst of ways. Your team is deluded. In what universe are those champs even semi useful? Tier 20? There is NOBODY in any decent ally using 90% of those champs anywhere but defense (and only a couple for that) let alone **** attack or aq. They are NOT top options. Not a single one is god tier. Pathetic. Open your eyes.

If you are not a fan of the Champions in the Crystal, you can always wait until the Featured Champion you like is added to the Basic Pool, like the 3-Star and 4-Star Champions.

Also, nobody said they are the top Champions, and while player perception of these Champions may differ, these Champions are ones that people use to great success.

So someone sticks Cyclops on an Unblockable SP1 node in AW and picks up a few kills and this suddenly means that he is an ‘effective’ champ?

Actually, yes.

Miike, take this back to the ‘team’. Have them come onto the forum for for an hour at some point and answer questions directly.

I personally believe in better communications between players and game developers and I've fought for that myself in the past. But yeah, that's not going to happen.

It might make him effective in War on that node, but it does NOT make him an effective champ for people trying to progress through end content and the like of LOL.

You're correct, and as soon as you find a quote from a Kabam employee that says the intent of the new featured crystal is to pack it with champions players can use to complete LoL, I will be right there with you complaining that the crystal fails to meet its objective.

But since Kabam has only stated that the intent of the crystal is to contain the most recent six featured champions plus a curated set of eighteen other 5* champions that try to avoid the least effective champions when played by the players, Cyclops having a reasonable use as a placed defender appears to explicitly do exactly what they said the crystal will do.

That’s the point here. Literally the whole community is trying to demonstrate (in different ways, using different arguments) that this crystal is a bad idea and not fit for the purpose of what people save and spend 15k shards for.

They could have picked even a more ‘middling’ set of 18 champs and made reasonable arguements for their inclusion.

This makes it less likely for people to get the champ that they want, unless they have the ability to spend for it. That’s the ultimate change here.

Nobody is suggesting that they introduce a crystal ‘packed’ with champs to complete LOL, that would after all be a crystal with one champ in it anyway, but the crystal they are introducing seems to miss the mark by some distance.

Again, I’m not a Kabam hater and not just flaming this for the sake of jumping on the bandwagon.

LeNoirFaineant

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

NinjAlan wrote: »

Kabam, do you think we are blind? This is clearly an attempt to encourage us to purchase the 300 unit crystals. Shameful in all respects

There is no evidence to support this because there's nothing that says the drop rate of the 5* Featured is higher in those Crystals.

It's not about drop rate, it's about wanting a specific champ.

GroundedWisdom

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

NinjAlan wrote: »

Kabam, do you think we are blind? This is clearly an attempt to encourage us to purchase the 300 unit crystals. Shameful in all respects

There is no evidence to support this because there's nothing that says the drop rate of the 5* Featured is higher in those Crystals.

It's not about drop rate, it's about wanting a specific champ.

Correct. The reason for rolling a Featured is. I'm talking about the drop rate because a GMC is more rare than a Featured, at least theoretically since I don't know the actual numbers. I'm sure people will try it, but I don't see it as a more enticing offer.

Imran

Increase the chance of feature hero in feature crystal which cost extra shard than regular shard. Then that will be interesting and enjoyable.

LeNoirFaineant

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

NinjAlan wrote: »

Kabam, do you think we are blind? This is clearly an attempt to encourage us to purchase the 300 unit crystals. Shameful in all respects

There is no evidence to support this because there's nothing that says the drop rate of the 5* Featured is higher in those Crystals.

It's not about drop rate, it's about wanting a specific champ.

Correct. The reason for rolling a Featured is. I'm talking about the drop rate because a GMC is more rare than a Featured, at least theoretically since I don't know the actual numbers. I'm sure people will try it, but I don't see it as a more enticing offer.

My personal experience is 0-14 on Featured 5* crystals. Got Blade for 3k units from GM. What I have observed is that most people are either lucky or unlucky at both which gives the lie to the Kabam position on drop rates. But most people would rather take their chances on a better chance at a champ they want than an equal chance for 20+ champs that they know they don't want. This is a horrible crystal and I'd be stunned if it isn't an abject failure.

Doomsfist79

This reminds me very much of 12.0.. they announce something.. pretty much the whole community says no.. they go live with it.. the whole community says no.. then they have to back track.. why not just listen to the community up front..

xNuclearBloodx

If I were to purchase a 5* blade crystal and saved it after the new 5* featured changes come, would my saved 5* blade crystal be the old way of pulling the champion or new system? I like saving crystals for big openings, hope it wouldn’t ruin my chances. @Kabam Miike

GroundedWisdom

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

NinjAlan wrote: »

Kabam, do you think we are blind? This is clearly an attempt to encourage us to purchase the 300 unit crystals. Shameful in all respects

There is no evidence to support this because there's nothing that says the drop rate of the 5* Featured is higher in those Crystals.

It's not about drop rate, it's about wanting a specific champ.

Correct. The reason for rolling a Featured is. I'm talking about the drop rate because a GMC is more rare than a Featured, at least theoretically since I don't know the actual numbers. I'm sure people will try it, but I don't see it as a more enticing offer.

My personal experience is 0-14 on Featured 5* crystals. Got Blade for 3k units from GM. What I have observed is that most people are either lucky or unlucky at both which gives the lie to the Kabam position on drop rates. But most people would rather take their chances on a better chance at a champ they want than an equal chance for 20+ champs that they know they don't want. This is a horrible crystal and I'd be stunned if it isn't an abject failure.

With 6 Champs that are new in it, that's a 25% possibility of a Featured. You're correct that it's luck, but I don't see the GMC having better drop rates than that. I think it will just be like any other situation where people chance for themselves if they think it's worth it or not.

LeNoirFaineant

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

NinjAlan wrote: »

Kabam, do you think we are blind? This is clearly an attempt to encourage us to purchase the 300 unit crystals. Shameful in all respects

There is no evidence to support this because there's nothing that says the drop rate of the 5* Featured is higher in those Crystals.

It's not about drop rate, it's about wanting a specific champ.

Correct. The reason for rolling a Featured is. I'm talking about the drop rate because a GMC is more rare than a Featured, at least theoretically since I don't know the actual numbers. I'm sure people will try it, but I don't see it as a more enticing offer.

My personal experience is 0-14 on Featured 5* crystals. Got Blade for 3k units from GM. What I have observed is that most people are either lucky or unlucky at both which gives the lie to the Kabam position on drop rates. But most people would rather take their chances on a better chance at a champ they want than an equal chance for 20+ champs that they know they don't want. This is a horrible crystal and I'd be stunned if it isn't an abject failure.

With 6 Champs that are new in it, that's a 25% possibility of a Featured. You're correct that it's luck, but I don't see the GMC having better drop rates than that. I think it will just be like any other situation where people chance for themselves if they think it's worth it or not.

You are missing the point. Featured is neither here nor there. It only matters if it's a featured champ that people want. There aren't usually 6. Certainly not in this pool. So the increased odds for a "featured champ" are irrelevant. And the odds of getting the featured you want and duping him/her are much lower.

ViperKingV

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Collector6789 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

NinjAlan wrote: »

Kabam, do you think we are blind? This is clearly an attempt to encourage us to purchase the 300 unit crystals. Shameful in all respects

There is no evidence to support this because there's nothing that says the drop rate of the 5* Featured is higher in those Crystals.

Do you even hear what you are saying? It has nothing to do with drop rates.

I hear what I'm saying. People are conjecturing that this has something to do with the GMC sales. It does not, and there is no evidence that would even be a lucrative move, or that it would be a viable option. People aren't going to buy them thinking they have a better chance because there is no evidence or results to support they do. It's common on the Forum. Enter - Change we don't like, Output - Must be for money.

@GroundedWisdom Does Kabam have an Academy where they train their employees their employees to think the **** they are saying makes any sense?

I contacted Kabam Support for verification of Miikes claim that the drop rates for champions from any crystal was exactly the same every time, unless stated otherwise in the crystal description.
That statement contradicted the info Customer Svc had sent me about crystal drop rates.
Miikes claim that outcomes are random **** definitely untrue regarding PHC 3* and 4* crystals.
As for Feature GM Crystals, I was told every specialty Crystal uses in game factors to determine the drop rates of the available champs. I have no idea whatll these factors are, but I have seen different types of players consistently get very different results. If Kabam follows through with this plan for featured 5*s I will never buy 1 again.
I agree with several posts in this thread which Speculate that Kabam wants to stop the flow of LoL capable champs into the game.
Look at the pool of 24 champs chosen for the first feature crystal after Blade. None of them are champs suited for LoL. And a lot of them (even the bad ones need to be duped or awakened to have any use at all. Thor, Hela and Loki need their mutual synergies and their sig abilities to help in any difficult content.
The thing that makes no sense at all, is how Kabam doesn’t recognize that nerfing the featured crystal is going to break the assurances given to players when you pre announced 6* champions.
Also please tell the game team to put some effort into fixing the game.

Bobbie_Drake

Sorry about the long post but its my first comment and wanted to express to kabam my opinions, since I'm not very happy about this change. In the last year I have spent a few hundred dollars on this game mostly for upgrading my roster.

I'm an alright player who has been playing for about 2 years. My first group of 5* I opened up were bp, sup im, bpcw. Then I got SL and was told he was a game changer if I dupe him but until then he was trash. My great excitement and ranking up the great SL to r3 was now overblown and realized maybe I ranked him up to quick.

I then decided to save on a featured crystal that did not need to be duped. I was beyond ecstatic and happy about 5* featured when I opened the iceman and got hulk when I only had 30k shards. I ranked them up as quick as possible.

Then I decided to save for another great hero to make it easier for me to complete end game content. I saved and spent on some 5* shard deals over the months and even more on the 5* gem deal which I got a skill gem, and finally after months of saving to go for blade.

With 120k shards saved up now since the 2nd iceman opening I realize I should be able to dupe blade with the gem but after that my chances of getting a hero I really want have decreased from 20-25% to about 4%.

It's really frustrating to see this announcement when you have put in a lot of time and money to get 5* shards for the hero you want for aq, aw, and end game content. I'm hoping in the future better communication from Mcoc and a hope that we will be listened too. Yes it's true games can change at any time but the 5* featured has been around forever and this seems like a drastic change to game players and especially for players at my level.

From what I am reading this does not seem to be a popular choice, some people want to compromise on 6* crystals but I only currently have 6 5* and unfortunately won't get a 6* in awhile and to see the same thing happen with and those as my 5* initial roster would be really disheartening.

I have decided I will not spend on the grandmaster 5* or any money deals until I feel there is a better camaraderie with the players. There have been changes upon changes that seem to be less of what the players want for the game. I understand it's a business but when a lot of fun has left the game because of the changes it gets harder to put in our time and money into the game.

Jx13

@Kabam Miike : Will The Featured GMC still last the same amount of time for each new featured hero ?

i.e. 7 days when first out and the next week for one day?

Will there be any changes to this scheduling ?

xRemyLeBeaux

@Kabam Miike
Why don't you just make this crystal once a month with an increased chance to get 2 features? Add to them s subfeatures and basics. The system that we have now is better in terms of the amount of shards this crystal will cost. Maybe if there was only 10 champions..

I'm sorry to hear it, because I liked the features that we have now. Maybe we had only 3 weeks, but its better than 3 months for the same prize and chance for all. It won't be appealing to any player.

I would absolutely boycott this crystal, but I don't have any power to start such thing.

Mmx1991

For once can't they make a decision that's good for the long term enjoyment of players? Why does everything have to be a cheap transparent ploy to get us to spend?

The **** that you're giving us, we don't want it! Challenger rating, 6* champions, changes to war, changes the feature crystals. None of it is good for us!

GroundedWisdom

ViperKingV wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Collector6789 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

NinjAlan wrote: »

Kabam, do you think we are blind? This is clearly an attempt to encourage us to purchase the 300 unit crystals. Shameful in all respects

There is no evidence to support this because there's nothing that says the drop rate of the 5* Featured is higher in those Crystals.

Do you even hear what you are saying? It has nothing to do with drop rates.

I hear what I'm saying. People are conjecturing that this has something to do with the GMC sales. It does not, and there is no evidence that would even be a lucrative move, or that it would be a viable option. People aren't going to buy them thinking they have a better chance because there is no evidence or results to support they do. It's common on the Forum. Enter - Change we don't like, Output - Must be for money.

@GroundedWisdom Does Kabam have an Academy where they train their employees their employees to think the **** they are saying makes any sense?

I contacted Kabam Support for verification of Miikes claim that the drop rates for champions from any crystal was exactly the same every time, unless stated otherwise in the crystal description.
That statement contradicted the info Customer Svc had sent me about crystal drop rates.
Miikes claim that outcomes are random **** definitely untrue regarding PHC 3* and 4* crystals.
As for Feature GM Crystals, I was told every specialty Crystal uses in game factors to determine the drop rates of the available champs. I have no idea whatll these factors are, but I have seen different types of players consistently get very different results. If Kabam follows through with this plan for featured 5*s I will never buy 1 again.
I agree with several posts in this thread which Speculate that Kabam wants to stop the flow of LoL capable champs into the game.
Look at the pool of 24 champs chosen for the first feature crystal after Blade. None of them are champs suited for LoL. And a lot of them (even the bad ones need to be duped or awakened to have any use at all. Thor, Hela and Loki need their mutual synergies and their sig abilities to help in any difficult content.
The thing that makes no sense at all, is how Kabam doesn’t recognize that nerfing the featured crystal is going to break the assurances given to players when you pre announced 6* champions.
Also please tell the game team to put some effort into fixing the game.

I'm aware of the response you're referring to, and you're either misinterpreting it, conjecturing it, or both. The response was that many factors go into it. This is not the first time you've brought it up. Besides being a generic response, it's also broad. There are no spending factors or Account specifics that go into your drops. What the TL:DR of it is, different Crystals have their own rates. Meaning depending on the type of Crystal, those rates can vary. Which is exactly what we already know. Case in point, the current Featured 5* has a higher drop rate than the 4* Featured. I'm sorry, but you're stretching the response. It's the same pool for everyone and in the case of the 5* Basic, 4* Crystal, 3*, 2*, and the new Featured, rates are equally the same, for everyone. You've got a straw man here.

GroundedWisdom

Dropfaith wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

NinjAlan wrote: »

Kabam, do you think we are blind? This is clearly an attempt to encourage us to purchase the 300 unit crystals. Shameful in all respects

There is no evidence to support this because there's nothing that says the drop rate of the 5* Featured is higher in those Crystals.

It's not about drop rate, it's about wanting a specific champ.

Correct. The reason for rolling a Featured is. I'm talking about the drop rate because a GMC is more rare than a Featured, at least theoretically since I don't know the actual numbers. I'm sure people will try it, but I don't see it as a more enticing offer.

My personal experience is 0-14 on Featured 5* crystals. Got Blade for 3k units from GM. What I have observed is that most people are either lucky or unlucky at both which gives the lie to the Kabam position on drop rates. But most people would rather take their chances on a better chance at a champ they want than an equal chance for 20+ champs that they know they don't want. This is a horrible crystal and I'd be stunned if it isn't an abject failure.

With 6 Champs that are new in it, that's a 25% possibility of a Featured. You're correct that it's luck, but I don't see the GMC having better drop rates than that. I think it will just be like any other situation where people chance for themselves if they think it's worth it or not.

That would assume all 6 are of equal value.. they aren't by any means

That's a matter of preference. They're new, hence Featured. Those will change in 3 months when 6 newer Champs are added.

Skymastr

Rip most of players who doesnt spend like big blue whale. Everything they did on this future **** cause of GMC sells if u are not whale u cant access new champ thats it. All wellcome the new marvel contest of whales.

DarkestDestroyer

I mean, it's 15k shards... Grandmaster is supposed to be helping and still chucks in an Ant-Man!!

Could you not just make it so all the 15k crystals JUST include featured champs!?

It's not fair saving to pull an Ant-Man, I mean even if they are all featured inside... some new champs aren't great, so you could still pull someone rubbish, but at least it would of been a previously featured/new champion.