What is the reason for RedSkull immunities?

MrTicTac19992008 · September 20

Why is he immune to nullify, fateseal, stagger against champions but not against nodes? Makes no sense.

captain_rogers · September 20

Because mystic champs shouldn't counter him at the same time he shouldn't counter nodes like buffet

MrTicTac19992008 · September 20

That makes no sense, Galan is nullify immune which includes nodes.

captain_rogers · September 20

MrTicTac19992008 said:
That makes no sense, Galan is nullify immune which includes nodes.

Because it's the intention. Adam is nullify immune but not against nodes. Aa is aar immune but not against nodes. They don't want red skull to cheese nodes where nullify is a problem.

MrTicTac19992008 · September 20

captain_rogers said:

MrTicTac19992008 said:
That makes no sense, Galan is nullify immune which includes nodes.
Because it's the intention. Adam is nullify immune but not against nodes. Aa is aar immune but not against nodes. They don't want red skull to cheese nodes where nullify is a problem.

Any champ can cheese nodes, it's about the fundamentals of the game. RedSkull is a change to that. What is the difference between RedSkull and Thing?

Theruneking · September 20

MrTicTac19992008 said:
Why is he immune to nullify, fateseal, stagger against champions but not against nodes? Makes no sense.

Because it's his choice

MrTicTac19992008 · September 20

Theruneking said:

MrTicTac19992008 said:
Why is he immune to nullify, fateseal, stagger against champions but not against nodes? Makes no sense.
Because it's his choice

Good attempt to derail. 1/10

Average_Desi · September 20

captain_rogers said:

MrTicTac19992008 said:
That makes no sense, Galan is nullify immune which includes nodes.
Because it's the intention. Adam is nullify immune but not against nodes. Aa is aar immune but not against nodes. They don't want red skull to cheese nodes where nullify is a problem.

Not true. Aa is immune against nodes too. He's just bugged against certain AAR. That's it.

Squidopus · September 20

I mean captain rogers is pretty much right, Red Skull’s nullify immunity only works against champs because Kabam simply decided that’s how they wanted him to be as some form of arbitrary balance. There’s no rule that his immunities (or any other champion’s) have to be all-encompassing like that. He’s not the first champ to have abilities that only work against champions (that honor goes to the duo of Adam and Moondragon) and he won’t be the last. You’re not getting any other answer than that because it’s the correct answer, even if it’s unsatisfying.

MrTicTac19992008 · September 20

You are completely missing the point, RedSkull is an average champ. Making him immune for those nodes wouldn't break the game. Shuri is better than RedSkull yet she doesn't gain precision buffs but other buffs which would be because of the node. What RedSkull has is a counter for champs but if a path or node has any nullify, he's never gonna be chosen but Shuri would.

EdisonLaw · September 20

To ensure that he isn’t mystic food

Squidopus · September 20

You’re being real harsh calling Red skull an “average champ”, if he’s average then Jesus the power creep has gotten way worse than I thought. Champs can always be better, Kabam just didn’t feel like giving Red skull that extra bit of sauce in the same way they didn’t feel like making any number of good but not broken champs even better. It’s not that deep, he’s still very good regardless.

And if you must know, there’s plenty of reason to want to use Red skull over Shuri. Some nodes and fights want you to have buffs and Red skull provides there. Have fun using Shuri against buffed up or Havok. Red skull has heal block, that’s useful sometimes. He has very potent power drain capabilities that can seriously shut down fights Shuri can’t. It’s not like he’s screwed over completely against things like buffet anyways, you just gotta play more carefully.

Malchaeis · September 20

Isn't he immune because he holds the cosmic cube?

captain_rogers · September 21

Average_Desi said:

captain_rogers said:

MrTicTac19992008 said:
That makes no sense, Galan is nullify immune which includes nodes.
Because it's the intention. Adam is nullify immune but not against nodes. Aa is aar immune but not against nodes. They don't want red skull to cheese nodes where nullify is a problem.
Not true. Aa is immune against nodes too. He's just bugged against certain AAR. That's it.

His abilities state opponent abilities cannot manipulate his abilities.

In any node which applies disorients, try him and your parries will fail.

captain_rogers · September 21

MrTicTac19992008 said:
You are completely missing the point, RedSkull is an average champ. Making him immune for those nodes wouldn't break the game. Shuri is better than RedSkull yet she doesn't gain precision buffs but other buffs which would be because of the node. What RedSkull has is a counter for champs but if a path or node has any nullify, he's never gonna be chosen but Shuri would.

It's not that deep. He is perfectly balanced now. He is perfectly balanced even if he gets nullify immunity from nodes. It's just kabam don't want to give him that ability. Your argument would be right if he's the only champ like this.

Shuri is better than red skull and shuri is better than red skull in nullify nodes. At the same time shuri don't have power control or armor buff. She can't be used against havok or tech paths where you need armor buff, But red skull can be used. Different champs have different abilities and different usecases

Red skull and shuri have completely different use cases. Both cannot be compared.

Wicket329 · September 21

EdisonLaw said:
To ensure that he isn’t mystic food

It’s this. Red Skull’s buff was designed to make him a potent defender. If he did not have counterplay to abilities like nullify, then the majority of the Mystic class would eat his lunch. He’d be free real estate and not at all a scary defender.

On the flip side, there are two reasons why he is not immune to node based buff interference. First is because he isn’t built to be a solution to those challenges. Kabam didn’t want people reaching for Red Skull when they saw, for example, a power snack node. The devs likely felt that it would be too much utility for his kit, which is fair because he has a lot of utility.

The second reason is that it would limit the devs room to design around him. For example, this month’s Morbius boss in EQ 1.1 has a node that when you parry him, it nullifies a buff off of both champions. There are other nodes like this throughout the game. I could see Kabam developing like a SoS style fight for Red Skull in which he is armor break immune but there are nodes which allow you to nullify his armors with skilled gameplay.

Tl;dr: Red Skull has these immunities tailored the way they are because the devs want him to have the immunities tailored the way they are.

Average_Desi · September 21

captain_rogers said:

Average_Desi said:

captain_rogers said:

MrTicTac19992008 said:
That makes no sense, Galan is nullify immune which includes nodes.
Because it's the intention. Adam is nullify immune but not against nodes. Aa is aar immune but not against nodes. They don't want red skull to cheese nodes where nullify is a problem.
Not true. Aa is immune against nodes too. He's just bugged against certain AAR. That's it.
His abilities state opponent abilities cannot manipulate his abilities.

In any node which applies disorients, try him and your parries will fail.

His kit is old. There was no distinction back then b/w champion kits and nodes. Disorient specifically causes problems for Archangel. Even disorients from champions' base kits will fail archangel's parries.

And if you go try nodes that place concussion on archangel, he is immune to it

Captainaiden · September 21

If op thinks this make no sense, then how hawkeye can defeat odin? Make no sense

ToniXD_16 · September 21

MrTicTac19992008 said:

captain_rogers said:

MrTicTac19992008 said:
That makes no sense, Galan is nullify immune which includes nodes.
Because it's the intention. Adam is nullify immune but not against nodes. Aa is aar immune but not against nodes. They don't want red skull to cheese nodes where nullify is a problem.
Any champ can cheese nodes, it's about the fundamentals of the game. RedSkull is a change to that. What is the difference between RedSkull and Thing?

Have you thought about that they wanted him to work like that like some people are just mad for the sake od being mad I swear

CROSSHAIRS · September 21

I heard the song "Erika" gives red skull gives red skull immunity so blame that (This is a joke do not take this seriously)

What is the reason for RedSkull immunities?

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