Btw her crit damage reduction makes her similar to MT right? No extra damage from crits (Except against techs)
Basically, it’s made to counter skills who crit a lot. Does this mean Bullseye won’t be able to crit through block?
Crit damage just means cruelty effects are 0 base hits are what he would do if he never crit but he would still crit but he wont inflate the damage it be stuck at pretty low numbers
So she’ll be able to block the sp1 without much trouble?
Bullseye's insant bleeds don't benefit from critical rating and dazzler isn't bleed immune so she will take more damage from that sp1 than basically any bleed immune char. it is reduced hit damage but don't expect any miracles
So then she will need to be duped then so you can push him to sp2. Because no one besides MSD can dex that sp1 successfully so far.
An unawakened dazzler is in no way a bullseye counter
A partial bullseye counter
She's worse "counter" than any good bleed immune champion. Which is a wide selection
She ignores crit she would still be very decent better than negasonic
We are talking about unawakened dazzler you realise that right? Ntw literally disables his evade and even stops the specials completely, you don't even have to bait before sp3 if you're bold enough and it will be fine.
Dazzler seems like a much faster attacker than Negasonic though
Overall yes. But waiting for the evade to time out after a special against bullseye specifically will be slower than ntw
Btw her crit damage reduction makes her similar to MT right? No extra damage from crits (Except against techs)
Basically, it’s made to counter skills who crit a lot. Does this mean Bullseye won’t be able to crit through block?
Crit damage just means cruelty effects are 0 base hits are what he would do if he never crit but he would still crit but he wont inflate the damage it be stuck at pretty low numbers
So she’ll be able to block the sp1 without much trouble?
Bullseye's insant bleeds don't benefit from critical rating and dazzler isn't bleed immune so she will take more damage from that sp1 than basically any bleed immune char. it is reduced hit damage but don't expect any miracles
So then she will need to be duped then so you can push him to sp2. Because no one besides MSD can dex that sp1 successfully so far.
An unawakened dazzler is in no way a bullseye counter
A partial bullseye counter
She's worse "counter" than any good bleed immune champion. Which is a wide selection
She ignores crit she would still be very decent better than negasonic
When dealing with Bullseye’s sp1, countering his bleed is much more important than countering his crits. Keep in mind someone like NTW prevents ALL of that bleed damage. Crit reduction like Dazzler’s is just gonna make the hit damage smaller. No one’s saying Dazzler’s not gonna be a great Bullseye counter, probably better than NTW in some contexts even, she’s just gonna be reliant on her sig ability’s pursuit passive to push him to his (practically) dexable sp2 to do so.
Man the champ looks cool. Looks like she can dex bullseye special completely. Gyatt skill class counter.
Looks like all those threads complaining about noodlesonic/negaslowic lack of damage led to a proper counter
She’ll definitely be one of the best counters to Bullseye, but I don’t think she completely one-ups NTW in that niche except in bgs where that fight speed becomes super important. Seems like she really needs her sig, probably high sig too, for the pursuit passive to really shut down Bullseye by pushing him to sp2. She reduces the crit damage of sp1 yes, but the bleeds are still a big problem unless you’re one of the psychopaths who knows how to dex Bullseye’s sp1.
Therefore is it really worth it to get the pass? You'll only get her once but you may not be able to awaken her right away, therefore wouldn't the 6* R5 sig 200 be better till you awaken the 7*?
@Squidopus then coming back to this question, is it really worth it to spend money on that pass? Or is it better to save for Cyber weekend and banquet deals?
Btw her crit damage reduction makes her similar to MT right? No extra damage from crits (Except against techs)
Basically, it’s made to counter skills who crit a lot. Does this mean Bullseye won’t be able to crit through block?
Crit damage just means cruelty effects are 0 base hits are what he would do if he never crit but he would still crit but he wont inflate the damage it be stuck at pretty low numbers
So she’ll be able to block the sp1 without much trouble?
Bullseye's insant bleeds don't benefit from critical rating and dazzler isn't bleed immune so she will take more damage from that sp1 than basically any bleed immune char. it is reduced hit damage but don't expect any miracles
So then she will need to be duped then so you can push him to sp2. Because no one besides MSD can dex that sp1 successfully so far.
An unawakened dazzler is in no way a bullseye counter
A partial bullseye counter
She's worse "counter" than any good bleed immune champion. Which is a wide selection
She ignores crit she would still be very decent better than negasonic
When dealing with Bullseye’s sp1, countering his bleed is much more important than countering his crits. Keep in mind someone like NTW prevents ALL of that bleed damage. Crit reduction like Dazzler’s is just gonna make the hit damage smaller. No one’s saying Dazzler’s not gonna be a great Bullseye counter, probably better than NTW in some contexts even, she’s just gonna be reliant on her sig ability’s pursuit passive to push him to his (practically) dexable sp2 to do so.
Bleed immunity is around a 50% damage taken reduction. Setting crit damage to 0 will be around a 35-40% damage taken reduction
Man the champ looks cool. Looks like she can dex bullseye special completely. Gyatt skill class counter.
Looks like all those threads complaining about noodlesonic/negaslowic lack of damage led to a proper counter
She’ll definitely be one of the best counters to Bullseye, but I don’t think she completely one-ups NTW in that niche except in bgs where that fight speed becomes super important. Seems like she really needs her sig, probably high sig too, for the pursuit passive to really shut down Bullseye by pushing him to sp2. She reduces the crit damage of sp1 yes, but the bleeds are still a big problem unless you’re one of the psychopaths who knows how to dex Bullseye’s sp1.
Therefore is it really worth it to get the pass? You'll only get her once but you may not be able to awaken her right away, therefore wouldn't the 6* R5 sig 200 be better till you awaken the 7*?
@Squidopus then coming back to this question, is it really worth it to spend money on that pass? Or is it better to save for Cyber weekend and banquet deals?
Open your titans on December. if you get dazzler, get the pass for the dupe. Don't think 25$ will get you much on cyber weekend anyways
Man the champ looks cool. Looks like she can dex bullseye special completely. Gyatt skill class counter.
Looks like all those threads complaining about noodlesonic/negaslowic lack of damage led to a proper counter
She’ll definitely be one of the best counters to Bullseye, but I don’t think she completely one-ups NTW in that niche except in bgs where that fight speed becomes super important. Seems like she really needs her sig, probably high sig too, for the pursuit passive to really shut down Bullseye by pushing him to sp2. She reduces the crit damage of sp1 yes, but the bleeds are still a big problem unless you’re one of the psychopaths who knows how to dex Bullseye’s sp1.
Therefore is it really worth it to get the pass? You'll only get her once but you may not be able to awaken her right away, therefore wouldn't the 6* R5 sig 200 be better till you awaken the 7*?
@Squidopus then coming back to this question, is it really worth it to spend that money on that pass?
Idk, depends on what you want. If you’re looking for a Bullseye counter out of her, I don’t think the unawakened 7* from the pass is gonna do you any good, just stick with the usual cast like Sinister, CGR, Warlock, and Onslaught. If you care about that sweet damage, she’s got it all at base so go for it. I guess you can also buy it anyways and hedge your bets on pulling the dupe from a titan quickly, but whether that’s worth it to you is your choice. For what it’s worth I hear the value of the items in the pass alone is usually worth it anyways.
Man the champ looks cool. Looks like she can dex bullseye special completely. Gyatt skill class counter.
Looks like all those threads complaining about noodlesonic/negaslowic lack of damage led to a proper counter
She’ll definitely be one of the best counters to Bullseye, but I don’t think she completely one-ups NTW in that niche except in bgs where that fight speed becomes super important. Seems like she really needs her sig, probably high sig too, for the pursuit passive to really shut down Bullseye by pushing him to sp2. She reduces the crit damage of sp1 yes, but the bleeds are still a big problem unless you’re one of the psychopaths who knows how to dex Bullseye’s sp1.
Therefore is it really worth it to get the pass? You'll only get her once but you may not be able to awaken her right away, therefore wouldn't the 6* R5 sig 200 be better till you awaken the 7*?
@Squidopus then coming back to this question, is it really worth it to spend money on that pass? Or is it better to save for Cyber weekend and banquet deals?
Open your titans on December. if you get dazzler, get the pass for the dupe. Don't think 25$ will get you much on cyber weekend anyways
That's probably a better idea, I'm already saving shards for both champs, Spiral and Dazzler will be mine
She's a 5/5 attacker THANK GOD!! The second 5/5 attacker this year. She also can take out lots of non skill meta defenders, maestro (because she mainly does damage with her specials) and photon etc
Kabam did their thing with her I'm so happy
She is the first mutant with 5/5 after storm buff or if we only consider new champs it's after storm pyramid x.
She's a 5/5 attacker THANK GOD!! The second 5/5 attacker this year. She also can take out lots of non skill meta defenders, maestro (because she mainly does damage with her specials) and photon etc
Kabam did their thing with her I'm so happy
She is the first mutant with 5/5 after storm buff or if we only consider new champs it's after storm pyramid x.
Miss pyramid X doesn't meet that criteria I'm afraid There's a GUARANTEED 97% chance of her NOT critting on that Sp2 I would know, I gave her lots of chances to impress me and she failed every single time. The same reason I haven't r3'd bishop (for offensive purposes at least). I used a r1 Dani moonstar for crucible mole man when I had a higher rank bishop because I knew she'd be more reliable and finish the fight faster because Dani actually can crit. I also used a r3 6* OG storm in a fight bishop could've taken for the same reason. Lmao
It's just nice to have a mutant who has BONKERS damage but isn't reduced to shreds because they cannot crit. She's like how we felt about Dani moonstar when she initially came out(pre gambit relic nerf) but this time she doesn't need a relic.
She's a 5/5 attacker THANK GOD!! The second 5/5 attacker this year. She also can take out lots of non skill meta defenders, maestro (because she mainly does damage with her specials) and photon etc
Kabam did their thing with her I'm so happy
She is the first mutant with 5/5 after storm buff or if we only consider new champs it's after storm pyramid x.
Miss pyramid X doesn't meet that criteria I'm afraid There's a GUARANTEED 97% chance of her NOT critting on that Sp2 I would know, I gave her lots of chances to impress me and she failed every single time. The same reason I haven't r3'd bishop (for offensive purposes at least). I used a r1 Dani moonstar for crucible mole man when I had a higher rank bishop because I knew she'd be more reliable and finish the fight faster because Dani actually can crit. I also used a r3 6* OG storm in a fight bishop could've taken for the same reason. Lmao
It's just nice to have a mutant who has BONKERS damage but isn't reduced to shreds because they cannot crit. She's like how we felt about Dani moonstar when she initially came out(pre gambit relic nerf) but this time she doesn't need a relic.
Dani's sp2 should have been a guaranteed crit instead of RNG, at least the final hit.
She's a 5/5 attacker THANK GOD!! The second 5/5 attacker this year. She also can take out lots of non skill meta defenders, maestro (because she mainly does damage with her specials) and photon etc
Kabam did their thing with her I'm so happy
She is the first mutant with 5/5 after storm buff or if we only consider new champs it's after storm pyramid x.
well kinda both. Beta Ray Bill was the first 5/5 damage dealer released this year, everyone else is either 4 or 3/5 damage
She's a 5/5 attacker THANK GOD!! The second 5/5 attacker this year. She also can take out lots of non skill meta defenders, maestro (because she mainly does damage with her specials) and photon etc
Kabam did their thing with her I'm so happy
She is the first mutant with 5/5 after storm buff or if we only consider new champs it's after storm pyramid x.
Miss pyramid X doesn't meet that criteria I'm afraid There's a GUARANTEED 97% chance of her NOT critting on that Sp2 I would know, I gave her lots of chances to impress me and she failed every single time. The same reason I haven't r3'd bishop (for offensive purposes at least). I used a r1 Dani moonstar for crucible mole man when I had a higher rank bishop because I knew she'd be more reliable and finish the fight faster because Dani actually can crit. I also used a r3 6* OG storm in a fight bishop could've taken for the same reason. Lmao
It's just nice to have a mutant who has BONKERS damage but isn't reduced to shreds because they cannot crit. She's like how we felt about Dani moonstar when she initially came out(pre gambit relic nerf) but this time she doesn't need a relic.
Dani's sp2 should have been a guaranteed crit instead of RNG, at least the final hit.
Yh as the game ages, the designers start to let loose with game mechanics. We've reached r3 7* now so they've gotten to the point where they can let loose with the damage now as we see dazzler is intended to be a 5/5 damage dealer so it's very understandable.
If Dani were released after dazzler I'd definitely see them giving her more base crit rate as her current one is very poor so they can let her damage be a bit more consistent.
She was released in 2023 and 7* r3 were still a bit rare then so they played a lil safe with her Sp2 crits as they would've done A bit too much at that time.
I have no doubt the next DAMAGE ORIENTED mutant will not be shy of crits.
Shathra/Dazzler turn off SYG but Nefaria doesn’t turn off unfazed.
Kabam champ and meta designers really just ain’t it. Art team and crash team carrying the game.
Um, you do know that both came after neferia right? Both dazzler and shathra are both heavy spam reliant champions and the STAND YOUR GROUND mastery is WAYYY more popular than the unfazed mastery, even I didn't know what the unfazed mastery was until the neferia situation so it's very much possible that the devs forgot that minor detail.
Cut them some slack, you're comparing him to Shathra and dazzler as if kabam can just go and edit a champion instantly immediately they release another one that can do something similar. Wait for his rebalance info maybe they'll give him a slow or something to help with that unfazed.
Shathra/Dazzler turn off SYG but Nefaria doesn’t turn off unfazed.
Kabam champ and meta designers really just ain’t it. Art team and crash team carrying the game.
Without the champ and meta designers we wouldn't have had amazing champions like Onslaught, Hercules, Hulkling, Doom, Kitty, NimGod and Serpent especially. Gotta give them credit
Btw her crit damage reduction makes her similar to MT right? No extra damage from crits (Except against techs)
Basically, it’s made to counter skills who crit a lot. Does this mean Bullseye won’t be able to crit through block?
Crit damage just means cruelty effects are 0 base hits are what he would do if he never crit but he would still crit but he wont inflate the damage it be stuck at pretty low numbers
So she’ll be able to block the sp1 without much trouble?
Bullseye's insant bleeds don't benefit from critical rating and dazzler isn't bleed immune so she will take more damage from that sp1 than basically any bleed immune char. it is reduced hit damage but don't expect any miracles
So then she will need to be duped then so you can push him to sp2. Because no one besides MSD can dex that sp1 successfully so far.
An unawakened dazzler is in no way a bullseye counter
She would still be a bullseye counter since crit damage is set to 0
Btw her crit damage reduction makes her similar to MT right? No extra damage from crits (Except against techs)
Basically, it’s made to counter skills who crit a lot. Does this mean Bullseye won’t be able to crit through block?
Crit damage just means cruelty effects are 0 base hits are what he would do if he never crit but he would still crit but he wont inflate the damage it be stuck at pretty low numbers
So she’ll be able to block the sp1 without much trouble?
Bullseye's insant bleeds don't benefit from critical rating and dazzler isn't bleed immune so she will take more damage from that sp1 than basically any bleed immune char. it is reduced hit damage but don't expect any miracles
So then she will need to be duped then so you can push him to sp2. Because no one besides MSD can dex that sp1 successfully so far.
An unawakened dazzler is in no way a bullseye counter
She would still be a bullseye counter since crit damage is set to 0
Btw her crit damage reduction makes her similar to MT right? No extra damage from crits (Except against techs)
Basically, it’s made to counter skills who crit a lot. Does this mean Bullseye won’t be able to crit through block?
Crit damage just means cruelty effects are 0 base hits are what he would do if he never crit but he would still crit but he wont inflate the damage it be stuck at pretty low numbers
So she’ll be able to block the sp1 without much trouble?
Bullseye's insant bleeds don't benefit from critical rating and dazzler isn't bleed immune so she will take more damage from that sp1 than basically any bleed immune char. it is reduced hit damage but don't expect any miracles
So then she will need to be duped then so you can push him to sp2. Because no one besides MSD can dex that sp1 successfully so far.
An unawakened dazzler is in no way a bullseye counter
She would still be a bullseye counter since crit damage is set to 0
Unduped dazzler is not a Bullseye counter. DAZZLER HERSELF IF NOT A BULLSEYE COUNTER. She just "WORKS" for him and that's perfectly fine. A counter would be someone like negasonic, jack o lantern, spiral or patriot who's kit was designed around that certain champions mechanic (with or without some extra bonus).
All dazzler has going for him is the pursuit passive which stops his evade and maybe the dodge during specials and you need that pursuit for that dodge to have any sort of impact and a HIGH SIG for that pursuit to have any major duration.
Dazzler has no way to deal with his bleeds, if his bleeds were dependant on crit then maybe unduped dazzler would be able to tank the sp1 block damage but we won't be able to confirm nor deny this until we try her out against him.
I'd say she's on the same level as everyone currently who "WORKS" for bullseye and that's perfectly fine.
NTW still one ups her in this aspect I'd say kabam did a good job with this as they didn't want to strip NTW of every little value she may have had before.
For those looking for bullseye counter I'd say go for the 6* in the featured and do sig 200. Her damage is definitely enough to take out r3's at a r6 level. Keep in mind dazzler won't be in this next 6* featured, this one ends with spiral ( I think) I don't really pay attention to 6* featured anymore.
Me personally I will be going for the 7* and avoiding this one matchup as she can TAKE A WHOLE LOTTA OTHER META DEFENDERS and praying for her dupe through titan so she can take out Korg, KM and atuma, her high sig is not needed for those matchups because the damage she was redirecting in the deep dive did not seem very much so i can live without the 200% redirection potency.
I may push some sigs into her depending on how her sig scales but we'll see.
Unduped dazzler is not a Bullseye counter. DAZZLER HERSELF IF NOT A BULLSEYE COUNTER. She just "WORKS" for him and that's perfectly fine. A counter would be someone like negasonic, jack o lantern, spiral or patriot who's kit was designed around that certain champions mechanic (with or without some extra bonus).
All dazzler has going for him is the pursuit passive which stops his evade and maybe the dodge during specials and you need that pursuit for that dodge to have any sort of impact and a HIGH SIG for that pursuit to have any major duration.
Dazzler has no way to deal with his bleeds, if his bleeds were dependant on crit then maybe unduped dazzler would be able to tank the sp1 block damage but we won't be able to confirm nor deny this until we try her out against him.
I'd say she's on the same level as everyone currently who "WORKS" for bullseye and that's perfectly fine.
NTW still one ups her in this aspect I'd say kabam did a good job with this as they didn't want to strip NTW of every little value she may have had before.
For those looking for bullseye counter I'd say go for the 6* in the featured and do sig 200. Her damage is definitely enough to take out r3's at a r6 level. Keep in mind dazzler won't be in this next 6* featured, this one ends with spiral ( I think) I don't really pay attention to 6* featured anymore.
Me personally I will be going for the 7* and avoiding this one matchup as she can TAKE A WHOLE LOTTA OTHER META DEFENDERS and praying for her dupe through titan so she can take out Korg, KM and atuma, her high sig is not needed for those matchups because the damage she was redirecting in the deep dive did not seem very much so i can live without the 200% redirection potency.
I may push some sigs into her depending on how her sig scales but we'll see.
(Once again, thank you for this long read)
They are literally giving the best bullseye counter for free. Yes, sinister is the best bullseye counter. And at 7* r3, inequity won't be an issue. I'm definitely r3ing sinister on day 1.
Man the champ looks cool. Looks like she can dex bullseye special completely. Gyatt skill class counter.
Looks like all those threads complaining about noodlesonic/negaslowic lack of damage led to a proper counter
Well negasonic is still superior to dazzler in countering skill champs outside bgs. She doesn't have require specificgameplay like dazzler. Dazzler needs to maintain the tempo for huge damage.
Yeah dazzler definitely has a higher skill cap. But trust me negasonic even outside of BGs is not all that. I tried my r2 against a r3 korg in war and i almost timed out. Without suicides her damage just feels lackluster. Imagine using her in content with medium to large healthpools when you could finish the fights faster with nukes like Dazzler. If the AI doesnt cooperate Negasonic also loses all her incinerates as her methods of pausing/refreshing are not the best, especially unduped
Interesting r2 never risked that for me and this was on path 7 fights where knocking Korg down would be bad unless his rock stacks are in cooldown. But the question I must ask is what node was Korg on.
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When dealing with Bullseye’s sp1, countering his bleed is much more important than countering his crits. Keep in mind someone like NTW prevents ALL of that bleed damage. Crit reduction like Dazzler’s is just gonna make the hit damage smaller. No one’s saying Dazzler’s not gonna be a great Bullseye counter, probably better than NTW in some contexts even, she’s just gonna be reliant on her sig ability’s pursuit passive to push him to his (practically) dexable sp2 to do so.
There's a GUARANTEED 97% chance of her NOT critting on that Sp2
I would know, I gave her lots of chances to impress me and she failed every single time.
The same reason I haven't r3'd bishop (for offensive purposes at least). I used a r1 Dani moonstar for crucible mole man when I had a higher rank bishop because I knew she'd be more reliable and finish the fight faster because Dani actually can crit. I also used a r3 6* OG storm in a fight bishop could've taken for the same reason. Lmao
It's just nice to have a mutant who has BONKERS damage but isn't reduced to shreds because they cannot crit. She's like how we felt about Dani moonstar when she initially came out(pre gambit relic nerf) but this time she doesn't need a relic.
If Dani were released after dazzler I'd definitely see them giving her more base crit rate as her current one is very poor so they can let her damage be a bit more consistent.
She was released in 2023 and 7* r3 were still a bit rare then so they played a lil safe with her Sp2 crits as they would've done A bit too much at that time.
I have no doubt the next DAMAGE ORIENTED mutant will not be shy of crits.
Kabam champ and meta designers really just ain’t it. Art team and crash team carrying the game.
Cut them some slack, you're comparing him to Shathra and dazzler as if kabam can just go and edit a champion instantly immediately they release another one that can do something similar. Wait for his rebalance info maybe they'll give him a slow or something to help with that unfazed.
All dazzler has going for him is the pursuit passive which stops his evade and maybe the dodge during specials and you need that pursuit for that dodge to have any sort of impact and a HIGH SIG for that pursuit to have any major duration.
Dazzler has no way to deal with his bleeds, if his bleeds were dependant on crit then maybe unduped dazzler would be able to tank the sp1 block damage but we won't be able to confirm nor deny this until we try her out against him.
I'd say she's on the same level as everyone currently who "WORKS" for bullseye and that's perfectly fine.
NTW still one ups her in this aspect
I'd say kabam did a good job with this as they didn't want to strip NTW of every little value she may have had before.
For those looking for bullseye counter I'd say go for the 6* in the featured and do sig 200. Her damage is definitely enough to take out r3's at a r6 level. Keep in mind dazzler won't be in this next 6* featured, this one ends with spiral ( I think) I don't really pay attention to 6* featured anymore.
Me personally I will be going for the 7* and avoiding this one matchup as she can TAKE A WHOLE LOTTA OTHER META DEFENDERS and praying for her dupe through titan so she can take out Korg, KM and atuma, her high sig is not needed for those matchups because the damage she was redirecting in the deep dive did not seem very much so i can live without the 200% redirection potency.
I may push some sigs into her depending on how her sig scales but we'll see.
(Once again, thank you for this long read)
The one time I'm actually very excited.
I've been waiting since Saturday.
He's never been this late.
Nearly 3 weeks later but the important thing is that WE MADE IT!!!