MSD is involved in this. AGAIN. Like, there s no other content creators with better ideas and experience out there, we had to get screwed yet again, especially after all the fuss around his past, out of touch carinas involvement.
I agree, let's have me design a necro carina challenges where you're only allowed to use Sersi 😎
In all seriousness, out of every content creator and person who plays MCOC, I would prefer having the person who is most familiar with the challenges the content presents being the one helping to design the challenge than someone like me who just explored it once a year ago.
MSD is involved in this. AGAIN. Like, there s no other content creators with better ideas and experience out there, we had to get screwed yet again, especially after all the fuss around his past, out of touch carinas involvement.
This is the first time MSD has been involved in any Carina's Challenge.
He actually helped make it easier by calling out potential roadblocks, since he has the most experience in Necropolis over pretty much any other player out there - I'd recommend shooting him a thank you.
I will after I see what he has in store for the new challenge. From what I saw so far, I don t think he can get us a KM or Lagacy level of content, but I ll be very happy to get proven wrong.
… you’re literally responding to KM. KM is telling you that you are wrong. What are we doing here
I am wrong in what exactly? Having a personal perspective about how a certain player handles things? And yes, I know who he is. Anyway that s my OPINION, the end.
It’s not a personal perspective to suggest that a player is handling things wrong based on experience with their nonexistent previous work and on content that has literally not been released yet. Like seriously I cannot stress enough that we literally don’t even know what the objectives are yet. You cannot criticize what MSD is putting forth when you have absolutely no idea what it is that he’s done.
I feel bad for the ppl who just joined recently. Like after the first deathless champ. They can NEVER do this challenge unless they spend tons of units. Really a low blow move by kabam. Same with ppl who took breaks. They need to drastically lower the cost of the pieces for those people.
MSD is involved in this. AGAIN. Like, there s no other content creators with better ideas and experience out there, we had to get screwed yet again, especially after all the fuss around his past, out of touch carinas involvement.
The best msd can do is design it. It still goes through all the regular play tests and Kabam approval. So the only difference between this and any other Carina challenges is the source of the idea. And for all it matters, it could've been just another employee at Kabam.
This is the funniest thread, mostly to complain about content that hasn't been released yet. Or complaining about a single or group of content creators that helped in the new and previous challenge.
I think many are missing the word "challenge". It's not meant to be a cake walk and these objectives will make sure we can't brute force it using aegon.
Most of the ideas I've seen pitched as alternatives are mostly laughable.
Let's wait a few hour, see what's in store for us, put some thought into it and give it a try first eh?
MSD is involved in this. AGAIN. Like, there s no other content creators with better ideas and experience out there, we had to get screwed yet again, especially after all the fuss around his past, out of touch carinas involvement.
No, we’re not doing this again.
1) MSD didn’t make any of the last set of Carina’s Challenges. Those were Lagacy, Karatemike, and Fintech. You’re making things up to be angry about.
2) You literally have no idea which challenge he made or the content of any of the challenges except the Deathless one, and since we don’t know what synergies Deathless Thanos is bringing to the table, you don’t really even know that.
3) EVEN IF it comes out that the challenge is difficult, or somehow overtuned, we ARE NOT going to attack people who tried to come up with a fun challenge for the community.
And remember, two things: first - just because something is super difficult for you, doesn’t mean it is for the target audience of the content. Second - Carina’s Challenges are permanent content. If they’re too tough now, just come back when you’ve ranked up the needed champs.
First of all, you don't know either what my roster looks like, either what my skills are. Second, criticism is still allowed, and everyone has the right to have an opinion. My personal view is that there s people out there that can do better. Yours is that they re not, I assume. I don't care what you think, I m not attacking people, but their abilities to do something they re not suitable, again, in my opinion. So back off.
First of all, MSD didn't make any of the past or current challenges, maybe be informed before you spout off.
He playtested ONE of the challenges and was part of letting kabam know some of the problem fights so they could make adjustments.
If you don't like challenge, maybe play Farmville or something?
MSD is involved in this. AGAIN. Like, there s no other content creators with better ideas and experience out there, we had to get screwed yet again, especially after all the fuss around his past, out of touch carinas involvement.
No, we’re not doing this again.
1) MSD didn’t make any of the last set of Carina’s Challenges. Those were Lagacy, Karatemike, and Fintech. You’re making things up to be angry about.
2) You literally have no idea which challenge he made or the content of any of the challenges except the Deathless one, and since we don’t know what synergies Deathless Thanos is bringing to the table, you don’t really even know that.
3) EVEN IF it comes out that the challenge is difficult, or somehow overtuned, we ARE NOT going to attack people who tried to come up with a fun challenge for the community.
And remember, two things: first - just because something is super difficult for you, doesn’t mean it is for the target audience of the content. Second - Carina’s Challenges are permanent content. If they’re too tough now, just come back when you’ve ranked up the needed champs.
First of all, you don't know either what my roster looks like, either what my skills are. Second, criticism is still allowed, and everyone has the right to have an opinion. My personal view is that there s people out there that can do better. Yours is that they re not, I assume. I don't care what you think, I m not attacking people, but their abilities to do something they re not suitable, again, in my opinion. So back off.
If you don't like challenge, maybe play Farmville or something?
At least your champs don't die if you leave them out for too long.
MSD is involved in this. AGAIN. Like, there s no other content creators with better ideas and experience out there, we had to get screwed yet again, especially after all the fuss around his past, out of touch carinas involvement.
No, we’re not doing this again.
1) MSD didn’t make any of the last set of Carina’s Challenges. Those were Lagacy, Karatemike, and Fintech. You’re making things up to be angry about.
2) You literally have no idea which challenge he made or the content of any of the challenges except the Deathless one, and since we don’t know what synergies Deathless Thanos is bringing to the table, you don’t really even know that.
3) EVEN IF it comes out that the challenge is difficult, or somehow overtuned, we ARE NOT going to attack people who tried to come up with a fun challenge for the community.
And remember, two things: first - just because something is super difficult for you, doesn’t mean it is for the target audience of the content. Second - Carina’s Challenges are permanent content. If they’re too tough now, just come back when you’ve ranked up the needed champs.
First of all, you don't know either what my roster looks like, either what my skills are. Second, criticism is still allowed, and everyone has the right to have an opinion. My personal view is that there s people out there that can do better. Yours is that they re not, I assume. I don't care what you think, I m not attacking people, but their abilities to do something they re not suitable, again, in my opinion. So back off.
If you don't like challenge, maybe play Farmville or something?
At least your champs don't die if you leave them out for too long.
I feel bad for the ppl who just joined recently. Like after the first deathless champ. They can NEVER do this challenge unless they spend tons of units. Really a low blow move by kabam. Same with ppl who took breaks. They need to drastically lower the cost of the pieces for those people.
This content wasn't made for either of those players but for those who stuck with the game. Those people will have other content to do.
MSD is involved in this. AGAIN. Like, there s no other content creators with better ideas and experience out there, we had to get screwed yet again, especially after all the fuss around his past, out of touch carinas involvement.
No, we’re not doing this again.
1) MSD didn’t make any of the last set of Carina’s Challenges. Those were Lagacy, Karatemike, and Fintech. You’re making things up to be angry about.
2) You literally have no idea which challenge he made or the content of any of the challenges except the Deathless one, and since we don’t know what synergies Deathless Thanos is bringing to the table, you don’t really even know that.
3) EVEN IF it comes out that the challenge is difficult, or somehow overtuned, we ARE NOT going to attack people who tried to come up with a fun challenge for the community.
And remember, two things: first - just because something is super difficult for you, doesn’t mean it is for the target audience of the content. Second - Carina’s Challenges are permanent content. If they’re too tough now, just come back when you’ve ranked up the needed champs.
First of all, you don't know either what my roster looks like, either what my skills are. Second, criticism is still allowed, and everyone has the right to have an opinion. My personal view is that there s people out there that can do better. Yours is that they re not, I assume. I don't care what you think, I m not attacking people, but their abilities to do something they re not suitable, again, in my opinion. So back off.
If you don't like challenge, maybe play Farmville or something?
At least your champs don't die if you leave them out for too long.
That would be Oregon trail
My crops used to get withered in Farmville. It was a very difficult life. Balancing 6th grade academics and parental controls to save my crops
MSD is involved in this. AGAIN. Like, there s no other content creators with better ideas and experience out there, we had to get screwed yet again, especially after all the fuss around his past, out of touch carinas involvement.
No, we’re not doing this again.
1) MSD didn’t make any of the last set of Carina’s Challenges. Those were Lagacy, Karatemike, and Fintech. You’re making things up to be angry about.
2) You literally have no idea which challenge he made or the content of any of the challenges except the Deathless one, and since we don’t know what synergies Deathless Thanos is bringing to the table, you don’t really even know that.
3) EVEN IF it comes out that the challenge is difficult, or somehow overtuned, we ARE NOT going to attack people who tried to come up with a fun challenge for the community.
And remember, two things: first - just because something is super difficult for you, doesn’t mean it is for the target audience of the content. Second - Carina’s Challenges are permanent content. If they’re too tough now, just come back when you’ve ranked up the needed champs.
First of all, you don't know either what my roster looks like, either what my skills are. Second, criticism is still allowed, and everyone has the right to have an opinion. My personal view is that there s people out there that can do better. Yours is that they re not, I assume. I don't care what you think, I m not attacking people, but their abilities to do something they re not suitable, again, in my opinion. So back off.
If you don't like challenge, maybe play Farmville or something?
At least your champs don't die if you leave them out for too long.
That would be Oregon trail
My crops used to get withered in Farmville. It was a very difficult life. Balancing 6th grade academics and parental controls to save my crops
Your family died of dysentery still rings in my head every once in a while haha.
MSD is involved in this. AGAIN. Like, there s no other content creators with better ideas and experience out there, we had to get screwed yet again, especially after all the fuss around his past, out of touch carinas involvement.
No, we’re not doing this again.
1) MSD didn’t make any of the last set of Carina’s Challenges. Those were Lagacy, Karatemike, and Fintech. You’re making things up to be angry about.
2) You literally have no idea which challenge he made or the content of any of the challenges except the Deathless one, and since we don’t know what synergies Deathless Thanos is bringing to the table, you don’t really even know that.
3) EVEN IF it comes out that the challenge is difficult, or somehow overtuned, we ARE NOT going to attack people who tried to come up with a fun challenge for the community.
And remember, two things: first - just because something is super difficult for you, doesn’t mean it is for the target audience of the content. Second - Carina’s Challenges are permanent content. If they’re too tough now, just come back when you’ve ranked up the needed champs.
First of all, you don't know either what my roster looks like, either what my skills are. Second, criticism is still allowed, and everyone has the right to have an opinion. My personal view is that there s people out there that can do better. Yours is that they re not, I assume. I don't care what you think, I m not attacking people, but their abilities to do something they re not suitable, again, in my opinion. So back off.
If you don't like challenge, maybe play Farmville or something?
At least your champs don't die if you leave them out for too long.
That would be Oregon trail
My crops used to get withered in Farmville. It was a very difficult life. Balancing 6th grade academics and parental controls to save my crops
Reminds me of tamigotchi where it was hard to keep the thing alive when school and that
I do hope that Kabam, eventually, adds a way to earn those deathless champions through content rather than just buying them for ridiculous amounts of units. While that's not an immediate concern since I think people who actually earned them last year should get a healthy headstart towards these challenges for their effort, I think it'll ultimately be best for the game/community if everyone gets the chance to actually earn them through content.
I think there's a huge difference between making people who wasn't able to complete specific challenges pay a huge amount of units to buy the pieces they've missed, and punishing people who weren't even playing the game. After all, there will always be more and more players coming to the game who completely missed the initial challenges, and essentially locking them away from ever completing them (no one's ever going to pay that many units to unlock all of the deathless champs; there are way better ways to spend your units) isn't the best way to handle things.
That being said, there's only one Deathless challenge among all of the challenges that are coming. So while you might not be able to get all of the rewards, there should still be plenty for you to do right now.
I do hope that Kabam, eventually, adds a way to earn those deathless champions through content rather than just buying them for ridiculous amounts of units. While that's not an immediate concern since I think people who actually earned them last year should get a healthy headstart towards these challenges for their effort, I think it'll ultimately be best for the game/community if everyone gets the chance to actually earn them through content.
I think there's a huge difference between making people who wasn't able to complete specific challenges pay a huge amount of units to buy the pieces they've missed, and punishing people who weren't even playing the game. After all, there will always be more and more players coming to the game who completely missed the initial challenges, and essentially locking them away from ever completing them (no one's ever going to pay that many units to unlock all of the deathless champs; there are way better ways to spend your units) isn't the best way to handle things.
That being said, there's only one Deathless challenge among all of the challenges that are coming. So while you might not be able to get all of the rewards, there should still be plenty for you to do right now.
I completely agree! I believe I mentioned on one of our Live Streams when we announced Deathless Champions that there would eventually be a catch up mechanic of some sort. However, it's not going to come until players who spent the last year chasing every pieces have had ample time to play with their new toys. I would guess some sort of catch up will start in the second half of next year or the first half of 2026, but there are currently no fixed plans beyond the understanding that at some point it will be needed.
Where is the fairness? You have beautiful champs being offered for 9500 units and yet I have to spend 20k units on a not so amazing deathless champion? And that's just 1, I'm missing 2 of them
Either these cost need reduced now or they need to remove the deathless 7 star only gate the game has on carina deathless run challenge
Where is the fairness? You have beautiful champs being offered for 9500 units and yet I have to spend 20k units on a not so amazing deathless champion? And that's just 1, I'm missing 2 of them
Either these cost need reduced now or they need to remove the deathless 7 star only gate the game has on carina deathless run challenge
These are suppose to be chase champs there suppose to be expensive if u missed u pay the price
Where is the fairness? You have beautiful champs being offered for 9500 units and yet I have to spend 20k units on a not so amazing deathless champion? And that's just 1, I'm missing 2 of them
Either these cost need reduced now or they need to remove the deathless 7 star only gate the game has on carina deathless run challenge
Or else what.
You’re one of those people who has a weird definition of fair, which seems to be “no one should ever get anything I can’t.”
Fair in this game is everyone gets what they deserve based on what they do. Fair is when you give people a shot at time-gated or exclusive rewards, you don’t then turn around and hand them out to everyone who for whatever reason couldn’t or didn’t get them.
You’re playing a progression-based game as a service. You should understand if you don’t already that in virtually all such games, players get tiered. They get tiered based on how long they play, how much they play, how well they play, and in a microtransaction supported game how much they spend. Everyone is not going to have the exact same roster, playing the exact same content, doing the exact same thing, with the exact same opportunities. Players get rewarded for what they do, and those rewards get trivialized if what they do doesn’t matter.
No, we don’t have to reduce the costs immediately. No, we don’t have to remove the deathless gate immediately. What we can do is leave the costs as they are, leave the requirements as they are, and reward the players who put in the time and effort to pursue the chase for a year of their game playing. We can do that instead, and separate the rest of the players into two groups. Those that see this and think about trying to be in a better position for the next time something like this happens so they can join in, and those that will sulk and cry foul and make demands about how they were treated unfairly. And then we can ignore the latter and hope they either learn how the game works or eventually go away.
Or else what?... lol I apologize if my post came off like I'm threatening. Would be nice if kabam would allow the 6 star deathless champs to do the run. Perhaps in time that will be a thing. I do have a weird definition of fair, but it isn't what you think DNA 3000 lol I'm a just a simple peasant
Or else what?... lol I apologize if my post came off like I'm threatening. Would be nice if kabam would allow the 6 star deathless champs to do the run. Perhaps in time that will be a thing. I do have a weird definition of fair, but it isn't what you think DNA 3000 lol I'm a just a simple peasant
U need the 7 as its how u get the necropolis synergy bonus
Is a 6* Rank 4 Acended Serpent with max sig too weak for this content? I can’t even come close to a solo on the Titania fight because the match time keeps running down too quickly. I’m not getting killed, I just run out of time despite spamming Special 1 and using my 6* relic as soon as I can. I noticed I have way more time when I use 7* that are Rank 2 and 3.
Where is the fairness? You have beautiful champs being offered for 9500 units and yet I have to spend 20k units on a not so amazing deathless champion? And that's just 1, I'm missing 2 of them
Either these cost need reduced now or they need to remove the deathless 7 star only gate the game has on carina deathless run challenge
Some of us have been doing every deathless challenge for about a year now, so you wanting the same thing some of us have been grinding almost a year so doesn't sound very fair. Crashed said it best in this thread.
Is a 6* Rank 4 Acended Serpent with max sig too weak for this content? I can’t even come close to a solo on the Titania fight because the match time keeps running down too quickly. I’m not getting killed, I just run out of time despite spamming Special 1 and using my 6* relic as soon as I can. I noticed I have way more time when I use 7* that are Rank 2 and 3.
The amount of vengeance charges you start with (aka how long the “death timer” lasts) is equal to your champ’s challenger rating, and it so happens that 7*s have a fair bit higher challenger rating than 6*s. That’s why your 6* Serpent is running out of time faster than your 7*s, especially since your Serpent isn’t max rank.
For what it’s worth, I took my maxed ascended 6* Serpent out on one of my right path Necro runs (I was completing a path, totally independent of the challenges that dropped) and while mine could never quite get a solo, he very much demonstrated that he could easily handle a lot of fights in one revive if I played well. If you bring your Serpent to max rank (which you should for more than this challenge) there’s absolutely no reason you shouldn’t be able to do the same, although I would imagine Titania specifically is awkward with dancing around the haymakers and chicken timer.
Also, there’s probably some worth in throwing in special 3s on occasion for the hour of the all-father passive, which doubles culforce gain and lets him stack extra furies while at max culforce. It’s what I did at least in my run.
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In all seriousness, out of every content creator and person who plays MCOC, I would prefer having the person who is most familiar with the challenges the content presents being the one helping to design the challenge than someone like me who just explored it once a year ago.
Ughh. Some of you ate sand in playschool.
I think many are missing the word "challenge". It's not meant to be a cake walk and these objectives will make sure we can't brute force it using aegon.
Most of the ideas I've seen pitched as alternatives are mostly laughable.
Let's wait a few hour, see what's in store for us, put some thought into it and give it a try first eh?
He playtested ONE of the challenges and was part of letting kabam know some of the problem fights so they could make adjustments.
If you don't like challenge, maybe play Farmville or something?
I think there's a huge difference between making people who wasn't able to complete specific challenges pay a huge amount of units to buy the pieces they've missed, and punishing people who weren't even playing the game. After all, there will always be more and more players coming to the game who completely missed the initial challenges, and essentially locking them away from ever completing them (no one's ever going to pay that many units to unlock all of the deathless champs; there are way better ways to spend your units) isn't the best way to handle things.
That being said, there's only one Deathless challenge among all of the challenges that are coming. So while you might not be able to get all of the rewards, there should still be plenty for you to do right now.
Also the lack of gold is ridiculous.
Where is the fairness? You have beautiful champs being offered for 9500 units and yet I have to spend 20k units on a not so amazing deathless champion? And that's just 1, I'm missing 2 of them
Either these cost need reduced now or they need to remove the deathless 7 star only gate the game has on carina deathless run challenge
You’re one of those people who has a weird definition of fair, which seems to be “no one should ever get anything I can’t.”
Fair in this game is everyone gets what they deserve based on what they do. Fair is when you give people a shot at time-gated or exclusive rewards, you don’t then turn around and hand them out to everyone who for whatever reason couldn’t or didn’t get them.
You’re playing a progression-based game as a service. You should understand if you don’t already that in virtually all such games, players get tiered. They get tiered based on how long they play, how much they play, how well they play, and in a microtransaction supported game how much they spend. Everyone is not going to have the exact same roster, playing the exact same content, doing the exact same thing, with the exact same opportunities. Players get rewarded for what they do, and those rewards get trivialized if what they do doesn’t matter.
No, we don’t have to reduce the costs immediately. No, we don’t have to remove the deathless gate immediately. What we can do is leave the costs as they are, leave the requirements as they are, and reward the players who put in the time and effort to pursue the chase for a year of their game playing. We can do that instead, and separate the rest of the players into two groups. Those that see this and think about trying to be in a better position for the next time something like this happens so they can join in, and those that will sulk and cry foul and make demands about how they were treated unfairly. And then we can ignore the latter and hope they either learn how the game works or eventually go away.
I believe Kabam will take the third option.
For what it’s worth, I took my maxed ascended 6* Serpent out on one of my right path Necro runs (I was completing a path, totally independent of the challenges that dropped) and while mine could never quite get a solo, he very much demonstrated that he could easily handle a lot of fights in one revive if I played well. If you bring your Serpent to max rank (which you should for more than this challenge) there’s absolutely no reason you shouldn’t be able to do the same, although I would imagine Titania specifically is awkward with dancing around the haymakers and chicken timer.
Also, there’s probably some worth in throwing in special 3s on occasion for the hour of the all-father passive, which doubles culforce gain and lets him stack extra furies while at max culforce. It’s what I did at least in my run.