Bro if you think this game is greedy wait till you play gacha games
Buddy even games like genshin impact, Zzz, wuwa, honkai impact, honkai starrail, hell EVEN DBL is less greedy than this the only gacha game thats more greedy than this is fate
*CAP 👒 * G.I and most gacha games do not put the player on leveled grounds and it's gambling
Bro if you think this game is greedy wait till you play gacha games
Buddy even games like genshin impact, Zzz, wuwa, honkai impact, honkai starrail, hell EVEN DBL is less greedy than this the only gacha game thats more greedy than this is fate
*CAP 👒 * G.I and most gacha games do not put the player on leveled grounds and it's gambling
Fym? They dont put you leveled grounds? You meant after worldly ascensions? Duh it buffs the world's npcs Wdym by "and its gambling" you literally have a pity system which makes it so easy to obtaim the characters you want
Have you played other gacha games? Alot of gacha games have this thing called pity system for a reason ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ dont use that typa statement on these kind of arguements "If you dont like it dont play 🤡" If you cant take the fact your games gets critics then dont read the critics same **** right?
Actually most gotcha games don't have a pity system. At least notary of the ones I've played. One of the champs your looking for is scream. She's not in basic crystals yet so you gotta wait. Carnage though is. Keep opening dual class crystals with cosmic/tech and you'll eventually get him.
Bro if you think this game is greedy wait till you play gacha games
Buddy even games like genshin impact, Zzz, wuwa, honkai impact, honkai starrail, hell EVEN DBL is less greedy than this the only gacha game thats more greedy than this is fate
I’ve played online games for over twenty years. I have a standing challenge to anyone to point out a game of comparable size and depth where a) there are essentially no content or progression pay walls, b) players can earn hundreds of dollars of premium currency every month with only moderate amounts of gameplay, and c) veteran players of average skill and devoting average amounts of time will likely have just about everything the game has to offer eventually.
I’ve seen players open a new account and reach the progression cap (Valiant) in just a couple weeks spending zero dollars. Yes it takes skill, but obviously this game does not force you to spend money or grind lots of hours. If it did, this would be impossible.
Anyone saying this game is one of the most “greedy” games out there I’d question if they have ever played any games not played on a cardboard board with plastic pieces. And calling this game greedy just because you can’t do something in this game you can do in other games is tantamount to calling Injustice a better game than MCOC because it is much easier to get Batman in Injustice.
Bro if you think this game is greedy wait till you play gacha games
Buddy even games like genshin impact, Zzz, wuwa, honkai impact, honkai starrail, hell EVEN DBL is less greedy than this the only gacha game thats more greedy than this is fate
I’ve played online games for over twenty years. I have a standing challenge to anyone to point out a game of comparable size and depth where a) there are essentially no content or progression pay walls, b) players can earn hundreds of dollars of premium currency every month with only moderate amounts of gameplay, and c) veteran players of average skill and devoting average amounts of time will likely have just about everything the game has to offer eventually.
I’ve seen players open a new account and reach the progression cap (Valiant) in just a couple weeks spending zero dollars. Yes it takes skill, but obviously this game does not force you to spend money or grind lots of hours. If it did, this would be impossible.
Anyone saying this game is one of the most “greedy” games out there I’d question if they have ever played any games not played on a cardboard board with plastic pieces. And calling this game greedy just because you can’t do something in this game you can do in other games is tantamount to calling Injustice a better game than MCOC because it is much easier to get Batman in Injustice.
Injustice is more ass ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ unless we're talking about the console one or the one on steam In injustice each character have its strength stats so even if you do get your favorite character it have 0 chance of competing since other characters have better stats but mcoc provides the chance of getting that character in a higher tier tho some character might be weaker to the other due to the kits but atleast its not as unfair as injustice stats differences
Have you played other gacha games? Alot of gacha games have this thing called pity system for a reason ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ dont use that typa statement on these kind of arguements "If you dont like it dont play 🤡" If you cant take the fact your games gets critics then dont read the critics same **** right?
This game gives out way more for free than other gacha games with a pity system
So is your whole thread here (and new thread you just made), all about SCREAM, is that the “Favorite” champ that you want, that is such a sham that you can’t get right now ?
You know brand new champs are released in various spots in game over time after first appearing in game.
They don’t become instantly available in all crystals/arenas/etc the very day the new month's events all start.
Thought you were gonna say “can’t get THOR after xx openings” or something like that for “favorite champ”.
Bro if you think this game is greedy wait till you play gacha games
Buddy even games like genshin impact, Zzz, wuwa, honkai impact, honkai starrail, hell EVEN DBL is less greedy than this the only gacha game thats more greedy than this is fate
I’ve played online games for over twenty years. I have a standing challenge to anyone to point out a game of comparable size and depth where a) there are essentially no content or progression pay walls, b) players can earn hundreds of dollars of premium currency every month with only moderate amounts of gameplay, and c) veteran players of average skill and devoting average amounts of time will likely have just about everything the game has to offer eventually.
I’ve seen players open a new account and reach the progression cap (Valiant) in just a couple weeks spending zero dollars. Yes it takes skill, but obviously this game does not force you to spend money or grind lots of hours. If it did, this would be impossible.
Anyone saying this game is one of the most “greedy” games out there I’d question if they have ever played any games not played on a cardboard board with plastic pieces. And calling this game greedy just because you can’t do something in this game you can do in other games is tantamount to calling Injustice a better game than MCOC because it is much easier to get Batman in Injustice.
Injustice is more ass ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ unless we're talking about the console one or the one on steam In injustice each character have its strength stats so even if you do get your favorite character it have 0 chance of competing since other characters have better stats but mcoc provides the chance of getting that character in a higher tier tho some character might be weaker to the other due to the kits but atleast its not as unfair as injustice stats differences
Started playing injustice mobile recently, its decent, just way to buggy and slow to enjoy, not as updated or monitored as this game either. Play mcoc way more. Also injustice is greedy as HELL, after doing some fights, when you go to claim rewards from your inbox, irl purchases pop up with the button EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE JUST ABOUT TO CLICK. And it is much harder to get specific rare champs in injustice than in mcoc as far as I can tell, bar certain champs that are the equivalent of spiderman when starting game, only you can change the stars of said spiderman
Honestly, if you really enjoy playing a champ just because of being a certain character, you wouldn't mind playing them in content you don't need to clear, just playing them is enough. That's what I personally do. I autofight apothecary most of the time, but sometimes play it with infamous ironman just cause I wanna play him feeling like nothing can stand in my way or spider-man because I wanna feel like an experienced superhero that casually beats these characters. Use your 3* Carnage in apothecary and well, enjoy the carnage!
I dont have carnage at all 🥹
Then start opening those premium hero crystals! Time to play those 4* arenas
Bro if you think this game is greedy wait till you play gacha games
Buddy even games like genshin impact, Zzz, wuwa, honkai impact, honkai starrail, hell EVEN DBL is less greedy than this the only gacha game thats more greedy than this is fate
I’ve played online games for over twenty years. I have a standing challenge to anyone to point out a game of comparable size and depth where a) there are essentially no content or progression pay walls, b) players can earn hundreds of dollars of premium currency every month with only moderate amounts of gameplay, and c) veteran players of average skill and devoting average amounts of time will likely have just about everything the game has to offer eventually.
I’ve seen players open a new account and reach the progression cap (Valiant) in just a couple weeks spending zero dollars. Yes it takes skill, but obviously this game does not force you to spend money or grind lots of hours. If it did, this would be impossible.
Anyone saying this game is one of the most “greedy” games out there I’d question if they have ever played any games not played on a cardboard board with plastic pieces. And calling this game greedy just because you can’t do something in this game you can do in other games is tantamount to calling Injustice a better game than MCOC because it is much easier to get Batman in Injustice.
Injustice is more ass ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ unless we're talking about the console one or the one on steam In injustice each character have its strength stats so even if you do get your favorite character it have 0 chance of competing since other characters have better stats but mcoc provides the chance of getting that character in a higher tier tho some character might be weaker to the other due to the kits but atleast its not as unfair as injustice stats differences
I was apparently unclear. What I meant to say was calling this game greedy just because you can’t do something in this game you can do in other games is tantamount to calling Injustice a better game than MCOC because it is much easier to get Batman in Injustice than it is to get Batman in MCOC.
Bro if you think this game is greedy wait till you play gacha games
Buddy even games like genshin impact, Zzz, wuwa, honkai impact, honkai starrail, hell EVEN DBL is less greedy than this the only gacha game thats more greedy than this is fate
I’ve played online games for over twenty years. I have a standing challenge to anyone to point out a game of comparable size and depth where a) there are essentially no content or progression pay walls, b) players can earn hundreds of dollars of premium currency every month with only moderate amounts of gameplay, and c) veteran players of average skill and devoting average amounts of time will likely have just about everything the game has to offer eventually.
I’ve seen players open a new account and reach the progression cap (Valiant) in just a couple weeks spending zero dollars. Yes it takes skill, but obviously this game does not force you to spend money or grind lots of hours. If it did, this would be impossible.
Anyone saying this game is one of the most “greedy” games out there I’d question if they have ever played any games not played on a cardboard board with plastic pieces. And calling this game greedy just because you can’t do something in this game you can do in other games is tantamount to calling Injustice a better game than MCOC because it is much easier to get Batman in Injustice.
Injustice is more ass ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ unless we're talking about the console one or the one on steam In injustice each character have its strength stats so even if you do get your favorite character it have 0 chance of competing since other characters have better stats but mcoc provides the chance of getting that character in a higher tier tho some character might be weaker to the other due to the kits but atleast its not as unfair as injustice stats differences
I was apparently unclear. What I meant to say was calling this game greedy just because you can’t do something in this game you can do in other games is tantamount to calling Injustice a better game than MCOC because it is much easier to get Batman in Injustice than it is to get Batman in MCOC.
When looking at other games, specifically Future Fight, you have full agency of you can do whatever you want and have full freedom to choose who you get and what you give them which this game really misses.
Sure there are champs that are *really* good and everyone would just pick them but the biggest issue I find this game tends to have is being fully at the mercy of RNG.
I believe making every crystal a half nexus would fix this so instead of 3 champ picks, it's three.
You don't get the full benefit of a triple nexus however your decisions are your own in which of the two you select.
When looking at other games, specifically Future Fight, you have full agency of you can do whatever you want and have full freedom to choose who you get and what you give them which this game really misses.
Sure there are champs that are *really* good and everyone would just pick them but the biggest issue I find this game tends to have is being fully at the mercy of RNG.
I believe making every crystal a half nexus would fix this so instead of 3 champ picks, it's three.
You don't get the full benefit of a triple nexus however your decisions are your own in which of the two you select.
When looking at other games, specifically Future Fight, you have full agency of you can do whatever you want and have full freedom to choose who you get and what you give them which this game really misses.
Sure there are champs that are *really* good and everyone would just pick them but the biggest issue I find this game tends to have is being fully at the mercy of RNG.
I believe making every crystal a half nexus would fix this so instead of 3 champ picks, it's three.
You don't get the full benefit of a triple nexus however your decisions are your own in which of the two you select.
The difference with future fight is that you absolutely need to buy the newest uniform for every character and most of them are unusable without specific ctps which are hard to get. The amount of crystals you get for free is enough for like, 1 uniform per month during the sale and you essentially need to spend money in order to progress into endgame. It's a ridiculous comparison
So is your whole thread here (and new thread you just made), all about SCREAM, is that the “Favorite” champ that you want, that is such a sham that you can’t get right now ?
You know brand new champs are released in various spots in game over time after first appearing in game.
They don’t become instantly available in all crystals/arenas/etc the very day the new month's events all start.
Thought you were gonna say “can’t get THOR after xx openings” or something like that for “favorite champ”.
Scream and carnage i still havent gotten carnage but i got scream now
When looking at other games, specifically Future Fight, you have full agency of you can do whatever you want and have full freedom to choose who you get and what you give them which this game really misses.
Sure there are champs that are *really* good and everyone would just pick them but the biggest issue I find this game tends to have is being fully at the mercy of RNG.
I believe making every crystal a half nexus would fix this so instead of 3 champ picks, it's three.
You don't get the full benefit of a triple nexus however your decisions are your own in which of the two you select.
There are times when the devs do things I disagree with, or fail to do things I want to have happen. Putting me in charge of the game would fix this. Somehow though, I don't think that Kabam itself would consider this to be a "fix."
What you're talking about is not a fix, because it doesn't address a problem. There's a difference between what the game is, and what the game does. RNG champ acquisition is not a thing the game does, that can just be changed whenever. It is a thing the game is, that not just the game itself but the entire business is built around. You can't just tamper with that arbitrarily.
The devs recognize that the random nature of champion acquisition is something that changes over time, as the number of champions that exist increases, mathematically changing the specifics of how randomness affects champion acquisition rates. Years ago in a now infamous developer diary they mentioned increasing player agency in being allowed to better target champions to offset this. That's where the oft-mentioned (and completely misunderstood) "wish crystals" were mentioned as a potential idea. Instead, they added that agency in other ways: with class crystals, with an increase in nexus style crystals, and even with rare champion selectors, where you can just literally pick the champ you want (which have shown up from time to time).
The goal of these things is to improve the overall ability for players to target champs while still keeping the fundamentals of random champion acquisition more or less the same as it was originally designed to be. It was never the goal, and never will be the goal, to consider this a problem to be fixed. If you find this to be a fundamental problem with the game, this game is frankly not for you.
There's something else to consider. The number of crystals players get is itself a tuned economic parameter. The devs decide how many shards we get, how many crystals we get, and what the cost of offers for each are, based on the mathematics of the crystals themselves. If they wanted us to have twice the chance of pulling something we wanted, they wouldn't implement your idea of making crystals all dual nexus crystals they would just increase the number of crystals we get. In reality it is a bit more complex than that, but the amount of crystals we open is based on the fact that they are single pull crystals. If all crystals, or even a large percentage of them were dual crystals, we'd get fewer of them as a result.
Someone is right now thinking nuh-uh, just because they make them dual nexus crystals doesn't mean we *have* to get fewer of them. The devs could do that and still give us the same number of crystals. Yes, they *could* but why *would* they? As I said, the amount we get is an actual thing they decide on. They made a judgment based on how the crystals worked, and this is a decision they are constantly revisiting. If the crystals were changed to dual nexus crystals, why *wouldn't* they decide to hand out fewer of them? It is the same people with the same brains making the same decisions using the same judgment. If the crystals had twice the agency, those same people using the same brains making the same decisions would decide to give us fewer crystals. That's just obvious.
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Wdym by "and its gambling" you literally have a pity system which makes it so easy to obtaim the characters you want
I’ve seen players open a new account and reach the progression cap (Valiant) in just a couple weeks spending zero dollars. Yes it takes skill, but obviously this game does not force you to spend money or grind lots of hours. If it did, this would be impossible.
Anyone saying this game is one of the most “greedy” games out there I’d question if they have ever played any games not played on a cardboard board with plastic pieces. And calling this game greedy just because you can’t do something in this game you can do in other games is tantamount to calling Injustice a better game than MCOC because it is much easier to get Batman in Injustice.
In injustice each character have its strength stats so even if you do get your favorite character it have 0 chance of competing since other characters have better stats but mcoc provides the chance of getting that character in a higher tier tho some character might be weaker to the other due to the kits but atleast its not as unfair as injustice stats differences
You know brand new champs are released in various spots in game over time after first appearing in game.
They don’t become instantly available in all crystals/arenas/etc the very day the new month's events all start.
Thought you were gonna say “can’t get THOR after xx openings” or something like that for “favorite champ”.
Obviously they need to make money and the “whales” help with that.
I appreciate them for keeping the game going.
We have seen plenty of free players getting further than average players like you or I can.
This game is not greedy in any way.
This game is really generous if you play propperly.
Don't expect to get anything you want without effort, from RNG base.
When looking at other games, specifically Future Fight, you have full agency of you can do whatever you want and have full freedom to choose who you get and what you give them which this game really misses.
Sure there are champs that are *really* good and everyone would just pick them but the biggest issue I find this game tends to have is being fully at the mercy of RNG.
I believe making every crystal a half nexus would fix this so instead of 3 champ picks, it's three.
You don't get the full benefit of a triple nexus however your decisions are your own in which of the two you select.
Triple nexus' would still exist.
Angela
Namor
Howard the Duck
Angela I have as 6 stars maxed out
Howard ...meeeeh
Choosed Namor
At times in a fight without any special bar filled he can have Sp.3
Awesome
Not greedy!
What you're talking about is not a fix, because it doesn't address a problem. There's a difference between what the game is, and what the game does. RNG champ acquisition is not a thing the game does, that can just be changed whenever. It is a thing the game is, that not just the game itself but the entire business is built around. You can't just tamper with that arbitrarily.
The devs recognize that the random nature of champion acquisition is something that changes over time, as the number of champions that exist increases, mathematically changing the specifics of how randomness affects champion acquisition rates. Years ago in a now infamous developer diary they mentioned increasing player agency in being allowed to better target champions to offset this. That's where the oft-mentioned (and completely misunderstood) "wish crystals" were mentioned as a potential idea. Instead, they added that agency in other ways: with class crystals, with an increase in nexus style crystals, and even with rare champion selectors, where you can just literally pick the champ you want (which have shown up from time to time).
The goal of these things is to improve the overall ability for players to target champs while still keeping the fundamentals of random champion acquisition more or less the same as it was originally designed to be. It was never the goal, and never will be the goal, to consider this a problem to be fixed. If you find this to be a fundamental problem with the game, this game is frankly not for you.
There's something else to consider. The number of crystals players get is itself a tuned economic parameter. The devs decide how many shards we get, how many crystals we get, and what the cost of offers for each are, based on the mathematics of the crystals themselves. If they wanted us to have twice the chance of pulling something we wanted, they wouldn't implement your idea of making crystals all dual nexus crystals they would just increase the number of crystals we get. In reality it is a bit more complex than that, but the amount of crystals we open is based on the fact that they are single pull crystals. If all crystals, or even a large percentage of them were dual crystals, we'd get fewer of them as a result.
Someone is right now thinking nuh-uh, just because they make them dual nexus crystals doesn't mean we *have* to get fewer of them. The devs could do that and still give us the same number of crystals. Yes, they *could* but why *would* they? As I said, the amount we get is an actual thing they decide on. They made a judgment based on how the crystals worked, and this is a decision they are constantly revisiting. If the crystals were changed to dual nexus crystals, why *wouldn't* they decide to hand out fewer of them? It is the same people with the same brains making the same decisions using the same judgment. If the crystals had twice the agency, those same people using the same brains making the same decisions would decide to give us fewer crystals. That's just obvious.