Against Buffs

QQ99QQ99 Member Posts: 15
Guys, i am newbie. I have a 2 quick questions:

1. How does one fight with opponents who come loaded with buffs like steroids? ( unfair advantage)
2. Also what to do when the opponent fills his special 1,2 and 3 very quickly? is there a way to counter it/delay it etc?

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  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,700 ★★★★
    QQ99 said:

    wow. Reading this post is like a secret manifesto , with lot of tiny unknown details :) I need a print out of this.

    SO its at a granular level where based on who you face, you need to place a champ that counters their strengths.
    What to do if my opponent is reaching Special 1,2 and 3 super fast and fires it with a message " Too Late" :s

    What specifically do you mean fires it super fast? Who are you fighting
  • Cam97Cam97 Member Posts: 435 ★★
    You can reverse power gain as well as nullify or neutralize power gain buffs.

    If that fails ghost with hood can phase through sp 3 and iceman can eat it while only losing 5% health (with armor buff)
  • QQ99QQ99 Member Posts: 15

    QQ99 said:

    wow. Reading this post is like a secret manifesto , with lot of tiny unknown details :) I need a print out of this.

    SO its at a granular level where based on who you face, you need to place a champ that counters their strengths.
    What to do if my opponent is reaching Special 1,2 and 3 super fast and fires it with a message " Too Late" :s

    What specifically do you mean fires it super fast? Who are you fighting
    --
    SO I have come across fighters during Act 4 and 5, where they v quickly gain three bars of power shown on their bottom screen and uses it to make an unstoppable attack. I cant defend or move. Its like a movie scene
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 885 ★★★★
    We need more specifics, who are you fighting, what are the nodes, etc. Sounds like you might be facing a spite node, where the defender gains a lot of power because your champ has active buffs. If that’s the case, you want to either use someone who can drain / steal / lock your opponent’s power, reduce the speed at which they gain it, OR don’t have any buffs on your attacker so you don’t feed the spite node.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,841 Guardian
    QQ99 said:

    wow. Reading this post is like a secret manifesto , with lot of tiny unknown details :) I need a print out of this.

    SO its at a granular level where based on who you face, you need to place a champ that counters their strengths.
    What to do if my opponent is reaching Special 1,2 and 3 super fast and fires it with a message " Too Late" :s

    The further into the game you go, the more important picking the right match ups becomes. It’s especially important to read the nodes. In a content map, fights are organized into paths you have to traverse. In many maps all the fights on a particular path with have a set of common “node” - extra bonus effects those defenders get on top of their normal abilities. There are also “global” nodes that affect everyone on the map, and singular nodes that just affect one particular defender. These get more increasingly important, and it is important to read and understand them before you start to know what you will face and what you should bring to make that fight easier.

    We’ve all had the experience of running through an entire path only to reach the boss and realize he’s unkillable because we forgot to bring something that will kill him and have to start over.

    PS: possibly the most important lesson to learn: energy is cheaper than revives. If you get stuck, don’t be afraid to exit and start over. Don’t spend all your units on revives to keep trying over and over to kill something. Units are valuable. Spending them all to just bang your head against a brick wall hoping it will fall over is a huge mistake. We’ve all made that one also: it’s an expensive one to learn not to do. Try to only do content that requires at most one or two revives tops. If you’re spending more than that, remember it will only get higher and harder from there. Take your time and build the skills and roster necessary to climb up the ladder without having to spend increasing amounts on content completion. It will eventually get too expensive to continue.

    Anyway, when you have a problem on a fight or fights, let people know what map (I.e. act 5.2.3), which fight, what are the nodes, and who did you bring. All those details are important to understanding what the problem might be.
  • LokxLokx Member Posts: 1,435 ★★★★
    QQ99 said:

    QQ99 said:

    wow. Reading this post is like a secret manifesto , with lot of tiny unknown details :) I need a print out of this.

    SO its at a granular level where based on who you face, you need to place a champ that counters their strengths.
    What to do if my opponent is reaching Special 1,2 and 3 super fast and fires it with a message " Too Late" :s

    What specifically do you mean fires it super fast? Who are you fighting
    --
    SO I have come across fighters during Act 4 and 5, where they v quickly gain three bars of power shown on their bottom screen and uses it to make an unstoppable attack. I cant defend or move. Its like a movie scene
    If you have that free champ calendar they’re doing, then you should have gotten wiccan by now. Wiccan is actually a really good buff control champ.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,700 ★★★★
    QQ99 said:

    QQ99 said:

    wow. Reading this post is like a secret manifesto , with lot of tiny unknown details :) I need a print out of this.

    SO its at a granular level where based on who you face, you need to place a champ that counters their strengths.
    What to do if my opponent is reaching Special 1,2 and 3 super fast and fires it with a message " Too Late" :s

    What specifically do you mean fires it super fast? Who are you fighting
    --
    SO I have come across fighters during Act 4 and 5, where they v quickly gain three bars of power shown on their bottom screen and uses it to make an unstoppable attack. I cant defend or move. Its like a movie scene
    You need to be reading nodes. If you're at act 6 and aren't reading nodes and defender abilities then you're not going to get anywhere
  • QQ99QQ99 Member Posts: 15
    DNA3000 said:

    QQ99 said:

    wow. Reading this post is like a secret manifesto , with lot of tiny unknown details :) I need a print out of this.

    SO its at a granular level where based on who you face, you need to place a champ that counters their strengths.
    What to do if my opponent is reaching Special 1,2 and 3 super fast and fires it with a message " Too Late" :s

    The further into the game you go, the more important picking the right match ups becomes. It’s especially important to read the nodes. In a content map, fights are organized into paths you have to traverse. In many maps all the fights on a particular path with have a set of common “node” - extra bonus effects those defenders get on top of their normal abilities. There are also “global” nodes that affect everyone on the map, and singular nodes that just affect one particular defender. These get more increasingly important, and it is important to read and understand them before you start to know what you will face and what you should bring to make that fight easier.

    We’ve all had the experience of running through an entire path only to reach the boss and realize he’s unkillable because we forgot to bring something that will kill him and have to start over.

    PS: possibly the most important lesson to learn: energy is cheaper than revives. If you get stuck, don’t be afraid to exit and start over. Don’t spend all your units on revives to keep trying over and over to kill something. Units are valuable. Spending them all to just bang your head against a brick wall hoping it will fall over is a huge mistake. We’ve all made that one also: it’s an expensive one to learn not to do. Try to only do content that requires at most one or two revives tops. If you’re spending more than that, remember it will only get higher and harder from there. Take your time and build the skills and roster necessary to climb up the ladder without having to spend increasing amounts on content completion. It will eventually get too expensive to continue.

    Anyway, when you have a problem on a fight or fights, let people know what map (I.e. act 5.2.3), which fight, what are the nodes, and who did you bring. All those details are important to understanding what the problem might be.
    --
    I am on Act 5. And i feel the level has just gone up all of a sudden.
    I got Wiccan and vox , both 5 star yesterday and isopryne will come tomorrow.( 5 Star). They will play along a 5 star moonstar and rintrah and a 6 star hit monkey.
    1. So revives need to be used v wisefully. Understood.
    2. Units are valuable. Check. ( I have wasted then , more than once, check)
    3. Nodes are vital to read. but, what are nodes and where can i find them?

  • Darthbane3141Darthbane3141 Member Posts: 320 ★★★
    QQ99 said:

    DNA3000 said:

    QQ99 said:

    wow. Reading this post is like a secret manifesto , with lot of tiny unknown details :) I need a print out of this.

    SO its at a granular level where based on who you face, you need to place a champ that counters their strengths.
    What to do if my opponent is reaching Special 1,2 and 3 super fast and fires it with a message " Too Late" :s

    The further into the game you go, the more important picking the right match ups becomes. It’s especially important to read the nodes. In a content map, fights are organized into paths you have to traverse. In many maps all the fights on a particular path with have a set of common “node” - extra bonus effects those defenders get on top of their normal abilities. There are also “global” nodes that affect everyone on the map, and singular nodes that just affect one particular defender. These get more increasingly important, and it is important to read and understand them before you start to know what you will face and what you should bring to make that fight easier.

    We’ve all had the experience of running through an entire path only to reach the boss and realize he’s unkillable because we forgot to bring something that will kill him and have to start over.

    PS: possibly the most important lesson to learn: energy is cheaper than revives. If you get stuck, don’t be afraid to exit and start over. Don’t spend all your units on revives to keep trying over and over to kill something. Units are valuable. Spending them all to just bang your head against a brick wall hoping it will fall over is a huge mistake. We’ve all made that one also: it’s an expensive one to learn not to do. Try to only do content that requires at most one or two revives tops. If you’re spending more than that, remember it will only get higher and harder from there. Take your time and build the skills and roster necessary to climb up the ladder without having to spend increasing amounts on content completion. It will eventually get too expensive to continue.

    Anyway, when you have a problem on a fight or fights, let people know what map (I.e. act 5.2.3), which fight, what are the nodes, and who did you bring. All those details are important to understanding what the problem might be.
    --
    I am on Act 5. And i feel the level has just gone up all of a sudden.
    I got Wiccan and vox , both 5 star yesterday and isopryne will come tomorrow.( 5 Star). They will play along a 5 star moonstar and rintrah and a 6 star hit monkey.
    1. So revives need to be used v wisefully. Understood.
    2. Units are valuable. Check. ( I have wasted then , more than once, check)
    3. Nodes are vital to read. but, what are nodes and where can i find them?

    Which quest are you on? Are you Uncollected yet?
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,841 Guardian
    QQ99 said:

    DNA3000 said:

    QQ99 said:

    wow. Reading this post is like a secret manifesto , with lot of tiny unknown details :) I need a print out of this.

    SO its at a granular level where based on who you face, you need to place a champ that counters their strengths.
    What to do if my opponent is reaching Special 1,2 and 3 super fast and fires it with a message " Too Late" :s

    The further into the game you go, the more important picking the right match ups becomes. It’s especially important to read the nodes. In a content map, fights are organized into paths you have to traverse. In many maps all the fights on a particular path with have a set of common “node” - extra bonus effects those defenders get on top of their normal abilities. There are also “global” nodes that affect everyone on the map, and singular nodes that just affect one particular defender. These get more increasingly important, and it is important to read and understand them before you start to know what you will face and what you should bring to make that fight easier.

    We’ve all had the experience of running through an entire path only to reach the boss and realize he’s unkillable because we forgot to bring something that will kill him and have to start over.

    PS: possibly the most important lesson to learn: energy is cheaper than revives. If you get stuck, don’t be afraid to exit and start over. Don’t spend all your units on revives to keep trying over and over to kill something. Units are valuable. Spending them all to just bang your head against a brick wall hoping it will fall over is a huge mistake. We’ve all made that one also: it’s an expensive one to learn not to do. Try to only do content that requires at most one or two revives tops. If you’re spending more than that, remember it will only get higher and harder from there. Take your time and build the skills and roster necessary to climb up the ladder without having to spend increasing amounts on content completion. It will eventually get too expensive to continue.

    Anyway, when you have a problem on a fight or fights, let people know what map (I.e. act 5.2.3), which fight, what are the nodes, and who did you bring. All those details are important to understanding what the problem might be.
    --
    I am on Act 5. And i feel the level has just gone up all of a sudden.
    I got Wiccan and vox , both 5 star yesterday and isopryne will come tomorrow.( 5 Star). They will play along a 5 star moonstar and rintrah and a 6 star hit monkey.
    1. So revives need to be used v wisefully. Understood.
    2. Units are valuable. Check. ( I have wasted then , more than once, check)
    3. Nodes are vital to read. but, what are nodes and where can i find them?

    I'm going to guess you haven't faced the Collector yet (but maybe you have). So let's say you're in 5.1.2. Here's 5.1.2:



    I see a Gwenpool in there and a Scarlet Witch. If I tap on the Gwenpool, I can see her abilities, and also any nodes on her:



    Under nodes, we can see there's not much there. A champion boost (more attack and health) and the node that unlocks special three attacks (champs don't get to use that on defense unless it is unlocked by this node). Let's go see Scarlet Witch:



    Ah. We can see here that on top of those other two nodes, which everyone has on this map, Scarlet Witch has a linked node: a node whose effects come from another champ on the map and are bestowed on this defender. The node is called breakthrough, and it gives Scarlet Witch a very large armor boost, making her take less damage. Notice also that there are special mechanics: every time you hit her, that armor boost drops in value. So the more you hit her, the less she resists that damage. You can "break through" her armor.

    This is a very simple node. As you climb higher, they can get increasingly more complex, and increasingly more tricky to counter.
  • QQ99QQ99 Member Posts: 15
    got it. i have seen these nodes more form a where to next station perspective, but i have not read it like this.
    So basically, we are understanding the enemy in a deeper way , to position our best fighter against them.



    This is where i am at. I am doing incursions and, daily challenges for last few days.
    YOu think i have decent team, after i start using Vox and isophyne?

  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,186 ★★★★★
    Lol at first when I read the title I thought you were against champions getting buffed
  • QQ99QQ99 Member Posts: 15
    DNA3000 said:

    QQ99 said:

    DNA3000 said:

    QQ99 said:

    wow. Reading this post is like a secret manifesto , with lot of tiny unknown details :) I need a print out of this.

    SO its at a granular level where based on who you face, you need to place a champ that counters their strengths.
    What to do if my opponent is reaching Special 1,2 and 3 super fast and fires it with a message " Too Late" :s


    We’ve all had the experience of running through an entire path only to reach the boss and realize he’s unkillable because we forgot to bring something that will kill him and have to start over.

    PS: possibly the most important lesson to learn: energy is cheaper than revives. If you get stuck, don’t be afraid to exit and start over. Don’t spend all your units on revives to keep trying over and over to kill something. Units are valuable. Spending them all to just bang your head against a brick wall hoping it will fall over is a huge mistake. We’ve all made that one also: it’s an expensive one to learn not to do. Try to only do content that requires at most one or two revives tops. If you’re spending more than that, remember it will only get higher and harder from there. Take your time and build the skills and roster necessary to climb up the ladder without having to spend increasing amounts on content completion. It will eventually get too expensive to continue.

    Anyway, when you have a problem on a fight or fights, let people know what map (I.e. act 5.2.3), which fight, what are the nodes, and who did you bring. All those details are important to understanding what the problem might be.


    I'm going to guess you haven't faced the Collector yet (but maybe you have). So let's say you're in 5.1.2. Here's 5.1.2:



    I see a Gwenpool in there and a Scarlet Witch. If I tap on the Gwenpool, I can see her abilities, and also any nodes on her:



    Under nodes, we can see there's not much there. A champion boost (more attack and health) and the node that unlocks special three attacks (champs don't get to use that on defense unless it is unlocked by this node). Let's go see Scarlet Witch:



    Ah. We can see here that on top of those other two nodes, which everyone has on this map, Scarlet Witch has a linked node: a node whose effects come from another champ on the map and are bestowed on this defender. The node is called breakthrough, and it gives Scarlet Witch a very large armor boost, making her take less damage. Notice also that there are special mechanics: every time you hit her, that armor boost drops in value. So the more you hit her, the less she resists that damage. You can "break through" her armor.

    This is a very simple node. As you climb higher, they can get increasingly more complex, and increasingly more tricky to counter.
    ---

    -- Thank you very much.

    I just pulled a hulking in 6 star. ( I wanted to pick a silver surfer though, but hulking won on popularity) Is he good?
    1. What is duping? or duping a champ?
    2. I was replaying act 5, stage 1 and went through the buffs the opponent had. He had couple of buffs including a 300 % champion one. Now , how do you decide which one to match up when i go through these buffs etc.
    3. When you go through maps an dnodes, i understand its for the same purpose to understand who you will play in the coming stages, again to understand their strengths etc. How do i match my players with that?
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