How to know a Champion is Good

SpiderVerseSpiderVerse Member Posts: 53 ★
in General Discussion
So maybe some people still ask this question.

Its simple.

Its a good champ if its can take not only advantage class but a lot of other classes even its disadvantage class because of its big damage or damage type or immunities or easy to play or the combination of those things.

Ex.
Kate Bishop can take Mutants because not rely on bleed but coldsnap

Red Magneto can take Tech because its good against metal, boost the specials

Future Ant-Man can take Cosmic because its potent power drain, damage cap, disintegration, also the resistance

Cosmic Ghost Rider can take Mystic because its damage is so big and quick, also the immunities

Kushala can take Science because the various type of damage like soulbarb, also the immunities

Photon can take Skill because its energy damage and immune to bleed

So, if its a "counter alot" type champ, not only a "counter someone" type champ then its a sign of a good champ or even top tier.

In general, that is my method, but maybe there are other method that we can use.

Comments

  • Maat1985Maat1985 Member Posts: 2,412 ★★★★
    there are simply many methods to measure if a champ is good.

    there is no one size fits all method.

    a champ may well measure bad by your above listed metric however still be a very good champ
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,660 ★★★★
    Eh, that's not the most accurate explanation
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,171 ★★★★★
    edited December 20
    Not completely true

    Yes Kate can take some mutants because of the coldsnap but not all because some mutants take advantage of coldsnap and energy damage such as Bishop and Havok.

    There are many modern techs that stop Magneto because they are non metal.

    Most modern cosmics are power drain and burn immune but he can take some

    CGR is useless if the mystic is both armor break immune and can control buffs

    Kushala is powerless against science buff immune champions

    Photon can take skill defenders but some of her damage like her overload is from debuffs
  • SlayerOfGodsSlayerOfGods Member, Content Creators Posts: 546 Content Creator
    EdisonLaw said:

    CGR is useless if the mystic is armor break immune and/or can control buffs

    As long as both aren't happening then he works fine.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,171 ★★★★★
    edited December 20
    SlayerOfGods said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    CGR is useless if the mystic is both armor break immune and can control buffs

    As long as both aren't happening then he works fine.
    Of course
  • SpiderVerseSpiderVerse Member Posts: 53 ★
    Maat1985 said:

    there are simply many methods to measure if a champ is good.

    there is no one size fits all method.

    a champ may well measure bad by your above listed metric however still be a very good champ

    Yeah, thats why I said it. Maybe there are other methods, and I would like to know that

    Even with the same method, result may differ because of someone's subjective and perspective
  • SpiderVerseSpiderVerse Member Posts: 53 ★
    WednesdayLength said:

    Eh, that's not the most accurate explanation

    Fair enough, that is somewhat and kinda my spontaneous answer about that question which is obviously not details and without scoring to make it better
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,503 ★★★★★
    There are champs with phenomenal versatility and utility that can usually take a lot of content regardless of the factors. But that starts to change after early content. Now the best champions aren't as much determined by what they can do, but determined by what set of nodes they can handle, and that shifts the conversation very often.
    Nimrod, the ultimate mutant killer (all but a couple) is, at face value, the first champ you want to take against any tough mutant fight...until Kabam started putting a shock immune node on all of the fights.
    So yeah, there are champs that are useful in almost every piece of content, like Doom, Herc, Kate, CGR (notice how they're all still 6*?), Chavez, Kushala and probably a few others. But the nodes can still screw them up. So in reality, the best champs will always change, and it will be those built to perfectly counter a particular situation, not always just those that can answer most situations.
  • SpiderVerseSpiderVerse Member Posts: 53 ★
    edited December 20
    EdisonLaw said:

    Not completely true

    Yes Kate can take some mutants because of the coldsnap but not all because some mutants take advantage of coldsnap and energy damage such as Bishop and Havok.

    There are many modern techs that stop Magneto because they are non metal.

    Most modern cosmics are power drain and burn immune but he can take some

    CGR is useless if the mystic is both armor break immune and can control buffs

    Kushala is powerless against science buff immune champions

    Photon can take skill defenders but some of her damage like her overload is from debuffs

    I agree, of course that those Champions stated above are not perfect. They highly likely have a counter especially from their disadvantage class. But when they are able to take a good chunk of "not supposed to be beaten" Champions from disadvantage class then its kinda awesome, atleast for me
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,171 ★★★★★
    SpiderVerse said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Not completely true

    Yes Kate can take some mutants because of the coldsnap but not all because some mutants take advantage of coldsnap and energy damage such as Bishop and Havok.

    There are many modern techs that stop Magneto because they are non metal.

    Most modern cosmics are power drain and burn immune but he can take some

    CGR is useless if the mystic is both armor break immune and can control buffs

    Kushala is powerless against science buff immune champions

    Photon can take skill defenders but some of her damage like her overload is from debuffs

    I agree, of course that those Champions stated above are not perfect. They highly likely have a counter especially from their disadvantage class. But when they are able to take a good chunk of "not supposed to be beaten" Champions from disadvantage class then its kinda awesome, atleast for me
    Yeah I like it, it makes class relationships more dynamic (you can thank Magneto for that)
  • SpiderVerseSpiderVerse Member Posts: 53 ★
    SlayerOfGods said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    CGR is useless if the mystic is armor break immune and/or can control buffs

    As long as both aren't happening then he works fine.
    Answered by the CGR himself lol
  • SpiderVerseSpiderVerse Member Posts: 53 ★
    Furrymoosen said:

    There are champs with phenomenal versatility and utility that can usually take a lot of content regardless of the factors. But that starts to change after early content. Now the best champions aren't as much determined by what they can do, but determined by what set of nodes they can handle, and that shifts the conversation very often.
    Nimrod, the ultimate mutant killer (all but a couple) is, at face value, the first champ you want to take against any tough mutant fight...until Kabam started putting a shock immune node on all of the fights.
    So yeah, there are champs that are useful in almost every piece of content, like Doom, Herc, Kate, CGR (notice how they're all still 6*?), Chavez, Kushala and probably a few others. But the nodes can still screw them up. So in reality, the best champs will always change, and it will be those built to perfectly counter a particular situation, not always just those that can answer most situations.

    Yeah, nodes is the real deal, it can turns even best counter into a potato (also depends on the players skill and luck)
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,428 ★★★★★
    A champion is good if you enjoy playing them and get the opportunity to use them at least somewhat frequently. If you can shoehorn your favorite champ into a piece of content and have them still be usable, then Kabam did good.

    The problem is with champs that truly have nowhere to be used. Psylocke (as a horseman) is a champion I adore playing, but there is just no piece of content where she makes sense to play.
  • SpiderVerseSpiderVerse Member Posts: 53 ★
    edited December 20
    Wicket329 said:

    A champion is good if you enjoy playing them and get the opportunity to use them at least somewhat frequently. If you can shoehorn your favorite champ into a piece of content and have them still be usable, then Kabam did good.

    The problem is with champs that truly have nowhere to be used. Psylocke (as a horseman) is a champion I adore playing, but there is just no piece of content where she makes sense to play.

    Exactly. Enjoy the gameplay and/or like the character will likely makes the player rate the champs higher maybe than it should be (lets say popular opinion)

    When your favorite champ = top tier champ/usable everywhere champ --> everyday is a good day
  • Nemesis_17Nemesis_17 Member Posts: 2,471 ★★★★★
    Maybe the real good champions are the friends we made along the way
  • JLordVileJJLordVileJ Member Posts: 4,847 ★★★★★
    Nemesis_17 said:

    Maybe the real good champions are the friends we made along the way

    I can always trust you to make a cringe dad joke that makes me laugh lol
  • Ayden_noah1Ayden_noah1 Member Posts: 1,939 ★★★★
    Also depending on the game mode. Some champs could work but in certain game modes like BG, they aren't great to use since time is a huge factor. Just cause they can take it doesn't mean they should be used. It's like saying I can use Iron Patriot to do realm of legends defenders. Yes he will work for most fights but if it takes 5 minutes plus per fight, is that a good idea. A good champ is different for every summoner. If you are just doing monthly quest, most champs will work. If you are doing causal BG, low level AW or AW, most champs will work. If you want to compete for top ranking in BG, AQ or AW, only a selected champ will work. Some want to use a particular champ since they like the design or it's their favourite character. A good champ is dependent on the summoner.
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