To me it seemed like the over abundance of R2 7* mats available in the crystals with a much higher drop rate then the R3 7* mats had a target in mind. Thronebreaker. …to limit them to R2’s ( which is great for them ) Problem is most Valiant players have an abundance of R2 mat’s and are looking for R3 ones. So that leaves Valiants,..the ones that pushed themselves to get the ranking…out in the cold. That is how that grouping for a crystal doesn’t work,..SBC’s should have been available to Valiant and maybe Paragon,..but that’s it.
I entirely agree, except Paragon should 100% have access to it as well, because Paragons are trying to get Valiant, and banquet would be useless to all Paragons otherwise.
When myself and others were Paragon, we did what we needed to do to become Valiant..like Necro. There were players who had become Valiant already, and no Valiant rewards were offered to us. If someone is Paragon, and are trying to get Valiant, and haven't done Necropolis yet, then that's what they need to do.
Necropolis is no longer needed, there are much better ways to get Valiant now, like 9.1 and Crucible. I'm currently doing initial 9.1 completion
The point is, they need to do the content that gets them the Valiant progression title, and get the Valiant rewards that way. Period. If Crucible is a better option, then so be it.
I don't know what you are talking about here, Banquet/Gifting event ALWAYS allowed players to progress to the next rank, what you are saying right now means that Cavalier for example shouldn't get T5CC to become thronebreaker. Thronebreaker shouldn't get T3A and T6B to become Paragon, etc. I mean all of those progressions before required big skill leaps to acquire those rewards as well. I don't see how Paragon should be treated differently and not get T4A.
Why should valiant get T7B then, because logically thinking about it T7B will be the next big step for the upcoming progression title. If paragon shouldn't be allowed to get T4A to become valiant in the banquet. why should Valiant be allowed to get T7B to get to the next progression title, seems a bit very self centered
I pushed hard to get Valliant, including purchasing costly t4a material during the black Friday event, and I should have saved my units as I got all I needed for 2 r3 with the Banquet to get the title and achieiving Valliant before Banquet provided litterally no bonus…
Personally for me, I was struggling for understand what is cause problem with this Banquest event, personally for me
Until I read this post from @Terminatrix , yep this is exactly where the root of the problem for me personally.
Grouping various progressions is the exactly problem, it is important to create a crytal with the right rewards when Kabam is group 3 different progression with different needs and expectations into one and try to make it "balance".
This is definitely something Kabam need to review for next year.
Personally for me, I was struggling for understand what is cause problem with this Banquest event, personally for me
Until I read this post from @Terminatrix , yep this is exactly where the root of the problem for me personally.
Grouping various progressions is the exactly problem, it is important to create a crytal with the right rewards when Kabam is group 3 different progression with different needs and expectations into one and try to make it "balance".
This is definitely something Kabam need to review for next year.
Who says we won’t get the same garbage crystals and Rewards and lower progressions won’t just be busted down? Listen to what Kabam says about this over and over “your rewards aren’t TB, TB is getting valiant rewards.”
They want valiants to have these rewards and have zero plans to juice them. I agree that valiants should be getting better rewards but arguing over tiered rewards is arguing the wrong premise. Unless you are arguing that you just don’t want lower progressions to get what we get now… that has merit I suppose. But if it’s on the premise that because we are grouped together, Kabam is holding back valiants… that’s not how they view it. That’s the REAL problem.
The real tiers in this game are whales, valiants, paragons, thronebreakers etc Each tier is a different customer segment Whales are actually very important, they pay for the servers and operational costs etc, not every game last 10 years, remember Marvel realm of champions, a spin off of MCOC, actually failed bcos no whales wanted to support the game, if the whales aren't happy with the banquet crystals, it's literally disaster for the game, the moment they stop spending, MCOC will join MROC in the history books As a 6 million plus rating valiant, I get matched with whales in battlegrounds, I see their decks, I know how much they spend, I do win sometimes with skill and luck Every tier should get what they need to progress to the next tier Whales and valiants get the short end of the stick in this banquet event If the whales and valiants get demoralised totally and stop spending, this banquet will be the last banquet, the game will probably shut down next year
The real tiers in this game are whales, valiants, paragons, thronebreakers etc Each tier is a different customer segment Whales are actually very important, they pay for the servers and operational costs etc, not every game last 10 years, remember Marvel realm of champions, a spin off of MCOC, actually failed bcos no whales wanted to support the game, if the whales aren't happy with the banquet crystals, it's literally disaster for the game, the moment they stop spending, MCOC will join MROC in the history books As a 6 million plus rating valiant, I get matched with whales in battlegrounds, I see their decks, I know how much they spend, I do win sometimes with skill and luck Every tier should get what they need to progress to the next tier Whales and valiants get the short end of the stick in this banquet event If the whales and valiants get demoralised totally and stop spending, this banquet will be the last banquet, the game will probably shut down next year
I personally think that paragon are also getting short end of the stick this banquet because the biggest sought after reward from the crystals for valiant and paragon are T4A, of course valiant also want T7B but T4A still is what people want the most because it's not like there's a lot of it anyways, valiant wanna be able to rank 3 more champions and also be able to have enough T4A to be able to Rank 4 eventually as well. and Paragon really want T4A to get the final push. Though i completely agree with what you said, This event is really bad for F2P, Paragon, Valiant and Whales.
idk why you value being valiant as highly, you explore story and get valiant by default. People become valiant in 14 days. its not valuable because itsnot hard or rare or expensive. Being valiant is not an achievement imo thats just how this title works this deep into it's lifespan. Next title released should come soon and will be valuable for 4-8 months before it becomes trivial and worthless again
idk why you value being valiant as highly, you explore story and get valiant by default. People become valiant in 14 days. its not valuable because itsnot hard or rare or expensive. Being valiant is not an achievement imo thats just how this title works this deep into it's lifespan. Next title released should come soon and will be valuable for 4-8 months before it becomes trivial and worthless again
No one said valiant title should be valued high. All we say is valiants and TBs have different goals and deserve different rewards.
idk why you value being valiant as highly, you explore story and get valiant by default. People become valiant in 14 days. its not valuable because itsnot hard or rare or expensive. Being valiant is not an achievement imo thats just how this title works this deep into it's lifespan. Next title released should come soon and will be valuable for 4-8 months before it becomes trivial and worthless again
No one said valiant title should be valued high. All we say is valiants and TBs have different goals and deserve different rewards.
actually, lemme tell you something crazy. 90% of this event is in milestones. ALL progressions get the same milestones, not just TB to valiant. Banquet actually just puts all of them together.
Funny thing is unit to reward return of banquet milestones are vastly superior to what you get in cyber week for that 12k unit range.
it's still really damn good for valiant and absolutely insane value for uncollected and such. Banquet is ince again, as it always was, the great equalizer in progression
idk why you value being valiant as highly, you explore story and get valiant by default. People become valiant in 14 days. its not valuable because itsnot hard or rare or expensive. Being valiant is not an achievement imo thats just how this title works this deep into it's lifespan. Next title released should come soon and will be valuable for 4-8 months before it becomes trivial and worthless again
No one said valiant title should be valued high. All we say is valiants and TBs have different goals and deserve different rewards.
actually, lemme tell you something crazy. 90% of this event is in milestones. ALL progressions get the same milestones, not just TB to valiant. Banquet actually just puts all of them together.
Funny thing is unit to reward return of banquet milestones are vastly superior to what you get in cyber week for that 12k unit range.
it's still really damn good for valiant and absolutely insane value for uncollected and such. Banquet is ince again, as it always was, the great equalizer in progression
Its 100% not good for valiants this crystal is more geared to paragon tb, valiants should have their own crystal for what they need tbs do not need what valiants need
idk why you value being valiant as highly, you explore story and get valiant by default. People become valiant in 14 days. its not valuable because itsnot hard or rare or expensive. Being valiant is not an achievement imo thats just how this title works this deep into it's lifespan. Next title released should come soon and will be valuable for 4-8 months before it becomes trivial and worthless again
Explore story and become Valiant? That's not how it worked when alot of us became Valiant. We did necropolis back then.
That doesn't change the fact that the guy that hasn't even beaten the GM yet sure as hell shouldn't be lumped in with the ones who have either explored story and done crucible, or did story and necropolis.
There will no longer be a point in pushing for progression titles if 2024 is the direction these things are going in. Paragons got everything we did, the title really is pointless
There will no longer be a point in pushing for progression titles if 2024 is the direction these things are going in. Paragons got everything we did, the title really is pointless
Think ill just stick to valiant so when next to progression come out i can reach that with little push this is what the crystal is gonna become if they continue this way of bundling
idk why you value being valiant as highly, you explore story and get valiant by default. People become valiant in 14 days. its not valuable because itsnot hard or rare or expensive. Being valiant is not an achievement imo thats just how this title works this deep into it's lifespan. Next title released should come soon and will be valuable for 4-8 months before it becomes trivial and worthless again
No one said valiant title should be valued high. All we say is valiants and TBs have different goals and deserve different rewards.
actually, lemme tell you something crazy. 90% of this event is in milestones. ALL progressions get the same milestones, not just TB to valiant. Banquet actually just puts all of them together.
Funny thing is unit to reward return of banquet milestones are vastly superior to what you get in cyber week for that 12k unit range.
it's still really damn good for valiant and absolutely insane value for uncollected and such. Banquet is ince again, as it always was, the great equalizer in progression
You beat grandmaster once We beat OG Necro 100% when it was released, These days you can be TB by ranking up random champs
The only solution for this is making the rewards be selectors
like in the double track
say if the 31% drop rate t6cc in the SBC was a selector
giving
TBs 10% Paragons 15% Valiants 25%
and same for 7* shards titan shards and every other reward
that would make me feel it was worth pushing for Valiant
also it would encourage these entitled TBs to actually progress if they want those rewards else be stuck with crappy rewards
Double Track Event seriously needs a buff for Valiants. The proximity in rewards are crazy and not really a reflection of progress.
Valiants getting Paragon and 6* crystals, 6* sig stones. Wtf? We should be getting VALIANT crystals, and more 7* shards, or at least a fully formed Exalted crystal, some generic 7* sig stones or 5 x 7* sig stone crystals.
These were bad enough. But this + underwhelming banquet and I just couldn't be quiet about it anymore.
idk why you value being valiant as highly, you explore story and get valiant by default. People become valiant in 14 days. its not valuable because itsnot hard or rare or expensive. Being valiant is not an achievement imo thats just how this title works this deep into it's lifespan. Next title released should come soon and will be valuable for 4-8 months before it becomes trivial and worthless again
If that is the case than everyone should be able to get Valiant easily. So make the rewards progression based, Valiant being the best rewards and let other summoners strive to get Valiant. Seems like you are arguing for Valiant shoulb get better rewards since it's so easy to get. Players who don't push for it should be left behind.
idk why you value being valiant as highly, you explore story and get valiant by default. People become valiant in 14 days. its not valuable because itsnot hard or rare or expensive. Being valiant is not an achievement imo thats just how this title works this deep into it's lifespan. Next title released should come soon and will be valuable for 4-8 months before it becomes trivial and worthless again
All I read was a bunch of word salad nonsense. Valiant IS highly. What other progression title is higher than that?
I'll even go a mile further, don't group paragon with valiant. I'm sorry but there's so much difference between a paragon and an endgame player. And by doing so, you'll push people to work towards the highest progression title. Give them something to work towards to. Give them a goal. Give us a sentiment of achievement when we reach the latest title. Cause as of right now, I'm sorry, but there's no reason to be valiant. We don't get anything special.
Very true - I am 100% with the sentiment of this thread. My account is 9.4m - I have 30 7r3 and have cats for 6 more - why am I getting the same crystal as someone with no 7r3s? There is no real incentive to progress if this continues for these big events.
To me it seemed like the over abundance of R2 7* mats available in the crystals with a much higher drop rate then the R3 7* mats had a target in mind. Thronebreaker. …to limit them to R2’s ( which is great for them ) Problem is most Valiant players have an abundance of R2 mat’s and are looking for R3 ones. So that leaves Valiants,..the ones that pushed themselves to get the ranking…out in the cold. That is how that grouping for a crystal doesn’t work,..SBC’s should have been available to Valiant and maybe Paragon,..but that’s it.
I entirely agree, except Paragon should 100% have access to it as well, because Paragons are trying to get Valiant, and banquet would be useless to all Paragons otherwise.
When myself and others were Paragon, we did what we needed to do to become Valiant..like Necro. There were players who had become Valiant already, and no Valiant rewards were offered to us. If someone is Paragon, and are trying to get Valiant, and haven't done Necropolis yet, then that's what they need to do.
Necropolis is no longer needed, there are much better ways to get Valiant now, like 9.1 and Crucible. I'm currently doing initial 9.1 completion
The point is, they need to do the content that gets them the Valiant progression title, and get the Valiant rewards that way. Period. If Crucible is a better option, then so be it.
I don't know what you are talking about here, Banquet/Gifting event ALWAYS allowed players to progress to the next rank, what you are saying right now means that Cavalier for example shouldn't get T5CC to become thronebreaker. Thronebreaker shouldn't get T3A and T6B to become Paragon, etc. I mean all of those progressions before required big skill leaps to acquire those rewards as well. I don't see how Paragon should be treated differently and not get T4A.
we'r not saying TB and paragon shouldnt be getting stuff to progress, we're saying they shouldnt be getting the SAME stuff as valiants because that defeats the purpose of progression. Why would i care for progressing if ill get the same stuff as people 2 levels above me. The person who explored necropolis day 1 is getting the same stuff as someone who beat the act6 grandmaster one time. thats the point
no way u just said "elitist" unironically about a mobile game 😭 theres progression titles and people seem to get the same stuff no matter where they are its as simple as that, "me and my boys" did 10x more work than the people getting the exact same stuff as we are. thats like a company manager and a worker getting the same pay
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Until I read this post from @Terminatrix , yep this is exactly where the root of the problem for me personally.
Grouping various progressions is the exactly problem, it is important to create a crytal with the right rewards when Kabam is group 3 different progression with different needs and expectations into one and try to make it "balance".
This is definitely something Kabam need to review for next year.
They want valiants to have these rewards and have zero plans to juice them. I agree that valiants should be getting better rewards but arguing over tiered rewards is arguing the wrong premise. Unless you are arguing that you just don’t want lower progressions to get what we get now… that has merit I suppose. But if it’s on the premise that because we are grouped together, Kabam is holding back valiants… that’s not how they view it. That’s the REAL problem.
Each tier is a different customer segment
Whales are actually very important, they pay for the servers and operational costs etc, not every game last 10 years, remember Marvel realm of champions, a spin off of MCOC, actually failed bcos no whales wanted to support the game, if the whales aren't happy with the banquet crystals, it's literally disaster for the game, the moment they stop spending, MCOC will join MROC in the history books
As a 6 million plus rating valiant, I get matched with whales in battlegrounds, I see their decks, I know how much they spend, I do win sometimes with skill and luck
Every tier should get what they need to progress to the next tier
Whales and valiants get the short end of the stick in this banquet event
If the whales and valiants get demoralised totally and stop spending, this banquet will be the last banquet, the game will probably shut down next year
Funny thing is unit to reward return of banquet milestones are vastly superior to what you get in cyber week for that 12k unit range.
it's still really damn good for valiant and absolutely insane value for uncollected and such. Banquet is ince again, as it always was, the great equalizer in progression
That's not how it worked when alot of us became Valiant.
We did necropolis back then.
That doesn't change the fact that the guy that hasn't even beaten the GM yet sure as hell shouldn't be lumped in with the ones who have either explored story and done crucible, or did story and necropolis.
We beat OG Necro 100% when it was released,
These days you can be TB by ranking up random champs
Never ever think we're same.
Valiants getting Paragon and 6* crystals, 6* sig stones. Wtf? We should be getting VALIANT crystals, and more 7* shards, or at least a fully formed Exalted crystal, some generic 7* sig stones or 5 x 7* sig stone crystals.
These were bad enough. But this + underwhelming banquet and I just couldn't be quiet about it anymore.
Valiant IS highly. What other progression title is higher than that?
The whole game isn’t you and your boys playing
You get to play Big Brother...
It’s more about the old floppy disk drive game on the green dot Apple computer