They should really make these changes so as to offer truce to the most irate crowd:
- goodies to the final realm milestones, more titan shards , more crystals - compensate all Odin unit deal purchases with more SBCs ( 5 at least for every purchase) - Give everyone who bought the initial SBC deals , more banquet keys - Increase the rank Rewards payout massively , especially 2-3% above. This is their spender crowd. And they’ll lose them, if they don’t fix this.
They keep threatening to quit, and yet we still seem to have the same number of them year after year. Sometimes coincidentally with the exact same names, imagine that. You're not going to believe this, but another player that chose the exact same name as you got fed up with the game and quit in 2023. What are the odds that you'd pick the same name as him and coincidentally start sounding the alarm about dissatisfied players quitting the game?
They should really make these changes so as to offer truce to the most irate crowd:
- goodies to the final realm milestones, more titan shards , more crystals - compensate all Odin unit deal purchases with more SBCs ( 5 at least for every purchase) - Give everyone who bought the initial SBC deals , more banquet keys - Increase the rank Rewards payout massively , especially 2-3% above. This is their spender crowd. And they’ll lose them, if they don’t fix this.
They keep threatening to quit, and yet we still seem to have the same number of them year after year. Sometimes coincidentally with the exact same names, imagine that. You're not going to believe this, but another player that chose the exact same name as you got fed up with the game and quit in 2023. What are the odds that you'd pick the same name as him and coincidentally start sounding the alarm about dissatisfied players quitting the game?
They should really make these changes so as to offer truce to the most irate crowd:
- goodies to the final realm milestones, more titan shards , more crystals - compensate all Odin unit deal purchases with more SBCs ( 5 at least for every purchase) - Give everyone who bought the initial SBC deals , more banquet keys - Increase the rank Rewards payout massively , especially 2-3% above. This is their spender crowd. And they’ll lose them, if they don’t fix this.
Or, they can ignore the most irate crowd as being players that they could do without.
Probably the most amusing thing about this is describing this as "a truce." Like, this is the least they could do. Anyone who thinks this is the least they could do is way too costly to keep as a player. The game would implode trying to keep them happy. It was not worth it to keep the players who said they would quit if Kabam released 5* champs (or 6* champs or 7* champs and are saying it already for 8* champs). It was not worth it to keep the players who said they would quit if kabam did not reverse 12.0 or eliminate DR. It is not worth it to keep players whose expectations are so disconnected from reality that they see the above as the least Kabam could do, because that says their actual expectations are vastly higher. Higher than that goes from being ridiculous to stupidly ridiculous.
The people complaining are not the spender crowd. The spender crowd is currently spending on the event. The irate crowd is just that: the irate crowd. They keep threatening to quit, and yet we still seem to have the same number of them year after year. Sometimes coincidentally with the exact same names, imagine that. You're not going to believe this, but another player that chose the exact same name as you got fed up with the game and quit in 2023. What are the odds that you'd pick the same name as him and coincidentally start sounding the alarm about dissatisfied players quitting the game?
Ehh you are right to a certain point. The non spender crowd is complaining a lot, the whales are whaling.. some casual spenders like myself looked at the crystals and decided not to spend. Whales will whale, non spenders won't spend, losing paying customers they already had sucks...
Yes and no. You don't want to lose players, spenders or otherwise, but the goal of the dev team is to maintain the success of the game for as long as possible. Sure it helps to make money, but every dollar they make happens in a larger context of the longevity of the game. They could make a lot more money in the short term by offering more stuff for sale for less money overall, but that would wreck the long term viability of the game. The devs would rather make less money if it means the game lasts longer overall.
So yes, losing a paying customer, or losing their cash at least, is a negative. But that has to be balanced around what it would cost to get it. Sometimes it is worth it, sometimes it is not. And no matter where you decide to draw the line, someone else can come along and say the line *could* be drawn just a little higher and everything would still be fine. That's a judgment call. But the devs have to draw it somewhere, and where ever they draw it, they will lose someone. Someone will stop spending because of that choice. Someone will stop playing altogether because of that choice. That's true for literally every decision they make. They have to pick the decisions that have the best net overall impact on the longevity of the game.
Ehh you are right to a certain point. The non spender crowd is complaining a lot, the whales are whaling.. some casual spenders like myself looked at the crystals and decided not to spend. Whales will whale, non spenders won't spend, losing paying customers they already had sucks...
All I'll say is that I was definitely prepared to spend more than I did. I found it kind of underwhelming, but I can see how it's a difficult balancing act for Kabam. Somebody is gonna complain no matter what they do.
...I'm pretty sure I said the same thing last year.
They should really make these changes so as to offer truce to the most irate crowd:
- goodies to the final realm milestones, more titan shards , more crystals - compensate all Odin unit deal purchases with more SBCs ( 5 at least for every purchase) - Give everyone who bought the initial SBC deals , more banquet keys - Increase the rank Rewards payout massively , especially 2-3% above. This is their spender crowd. And they’ll lose them, if they don’t fix this.
Or, they can ignore the most irate crowd as being players that they could do without.
Probably the most amusing thing about this is describing this as "a truce." Like, this is the least they could do. Anyone who thinks this is the least they could do is way too costly to keep as a player. The game would implode trying to keep them happy. It was not worth it to keep the players who said they would quit if Kabam released 5* champs (or 6* champs or 7* champs and are saying it already for 8* champs). It was not worth it to keep the players who said they would quit if kabam did not reverse 12.0 or eliminate DR. It is not worth it to keep players whose expectations are so disconnected from reality that they see the above as the least Kabam could do, because that says their actual expectations are vastly higher. Higher than that goes from being ridiculous to stupidly ridiculous.
The people complaining are not the spender crowd. The spender crowd is currently spending on the event. The irate crowd is just that: the irate crowd. They keep threatening to quit, and yet we still seem to have the same number of them year after year. Sometimes coincidentally with the exact same names, imagine that. You're not going to believe this, but another player that chose the exact same name as you got fed up with the game and quit in 2023. What are the odds that you'd pick the same name as him and coincidentally start sounding the alarm about dissatisfied players quitting the game?
Ehh you are right to a certain point. The non spender crowd is complaining a lot, the whales are whaling.. some casual spenders like myself looked at the crystals and decided not to spend. Whales will whale, non spenders won't spend, losing paying customers they already had sucks...
Yes and no. You don't want to lose players, spenders or otherwise, but the goal of the dev team is to maintain the success of the game for as long as possible. Sure it helps to make money, but every dollar they make happens in a larger context of the longevity of the game. They could make a lot more money in the short term by offering more stuff for sale for less money overall, but that would wreck the long term viability of the game. The devs would rather make less money if it means the game lasts longer overall.
So yes, losing a paying customer, or losing their cash at least, is a negative. But that has to be balanced around what it would cost to get it. Sometimes it is worth it, sometimes it is not. And no matter where you decide to draw the line, someone else can come along and say the line *could* be drawn just a little higher and everything would still be fine. That's a judgment call. But the devs have to draw it somewhere, and where ever they draw it, they will lose someone. Someone will stop spending because of that choice. Someone will stop playing altogether because of that choice. That's true for literally every decision they make. They have to pick the decisions that have the best net overall impact on the longevity of the game.
Well if the intention is to keep TBs happy they will lose my interest. The whole year they have been burning the candle on both ends. Personally I felt they were only making events for whales and lower progression. Everything in between counting casual or non whale spenders didn't get anything other than subpar deals or events. If that is the future of the game I really hope they smash it on the PC market and the "new wave" of players make an impact to keep it going for "another 10 years". I hope that gamble is worth losing current spenders. I'll finish with this, I will take the Hype of the next 10 years with the same caution of the hype raised on this event from now on. Meaning if this was supposed to be the best Banquet ever, the "next 10 years" might as well be 3...
Ehh you are right to a certain point. The non spender crowd is complaining a lot, the whales are whaling.. some casual spenders like myself looked at the crystals and decided not to spend. Whales will whale, non spenders won't spend, losing paying customers they already had sucks...
All I'll say is that I was definitely prepared to spend more than I did. I found it kind of underwhelming, but I can see how it's a difficult balancing act for Kabam. Somebody is gonna complain no matter what they do.
...I'm pretty sure I said the same thing last year.
I see people say the same things every single year. "Save units for J4" when J4 arrives, "these deals are trash and a slap to the face, save units for cyber" when cyber arrives "these deals are trash and a slap to the face save units for banquet" when banquet arrives "these crystals suck, don't waste your units on them, save units for J4" and thus the cycle repeats.
There's great reason why I said if you're a casual spender, then spend your money in Cyber and save 10k units or so for banquet. Don't ever expect to put the majority of your spending on banquet unless you really love RNG.
Ehh you are right to a certain point. The non spender crowd is complaining a lot, the whales are whaling.. some casual spenders like myself looked at the crystals and decided not to spend. Whales will whale, non spenders won't spend, losing paying customers they already had sucks...
All I'll say is that I was definitely prepared to spend more than I did. I found it kind of underwhelming, but I can see how it's a difficult balancing act for Kabam. Somebody is gonna complain no matter what they do.
...I'm pretty sure I said the same thing last year.
I see people say the same things every single year. "Save units for J4" when J4 arrives, "these deals are trash and a slap to the face, save units for cyber" when cyber arrives "these deals are trash and a slap to the face save units for banquet" when banquet arrives "these crystals suck, don't waste your units on them, save units for J4" and thus the cycle repeats.
There's great reason why I said if you're a casual spender, then spend your money in Cyber and save 10k units or so for banquet. Don't ever expect to put the majority of your spending on banquet unless you really love RNG.
I've only been playing since November of last year... It's been educational.
Ehh you are right to a certain point. The non spender crowd is complaining a lot, the whales are whaling.. some casual spenders like myself looked at the crystals and decided not to spend. Whales will whale, non spenders won't spend, losing paying customers they already had sucks...
All I'll say is that I was definitely prepared to spend more than I did. I found it kind of underwhelming, but I can see how it's a difficult balancing act for Kabam. Somebody is gonna complain no matter what they do.
...I'm pretty sure I said the same thing last year.
I see people say the same things every single year. "Save units for J4" when J4 arrives, "these deals are trash and a slap to the face, save units for cyber" when cyber arrives "these deals are trash and a slap to the face save units for banquet" when banquet arrives "these crystals suck, don't waste your units on them, save units for J4" and thus the cycle repeats.
There's great reason why I said if you're a casual spender, then spend your money in Cyber and save 10k units or so for banquet. Don't ever expect to put the majority of your spending on banquet unless you really love RNG.
From my personal perspetive: Banquet 2023 trash 4/7: 2024 was pretty good CM 2024 trash Banquet 2024 trash...
They should really make these changes so as to offer truce to the most irate crowd:
- goodies to the final realm milestones, more titan shards , more crystals - compensate all Odin unit deal purchases with more SBCs ( 5 at least for every purchase) - Give everyone who bought the initial SBC deals , more banquet keys - Increase the rank Rewards payout massively , especially 2-3% above. This is their spender crowd. And they’ll lose them, if they don’t fix this.
Or, they can ignore the most irate crowd as being players that they could do without.
Probably the most amusing thing about this is describing this as "a truce." Like, this is the least they could do. Anyone who thinks this is the least they could do is way too costly to keep as a player. The game would implode trying to keep them happy. It was not worth it to keep the players who said they would quit if Kabam released 5* champs (or 6* champs or 7* champs and are saying it already for 8* champs). It was not worth it to keep the players who said they would quit if kabam did not reverse 12.0 or eliminate DR. It is not worth it to keep players whose expectations are so disconnected from reality that they see the above as the least Kabam could do, because that says their actual expectations are vastly higher. Higher than that goes from being ridiculous to stupidly ridiculous.
The people complaining are not the spender crowd. The spender crowd is currently spending on the event. The irate crowd is just that: the irate crowd. They keep threatening to quit, and yet we still seem to have the same number of them year after year. Sometimes coincidentally with the exact same names, imagine that. You're not going to believe this, but another player that chose the exact same name as you got fed up with the game and quit in 2023. What are the odds that you'd pick the same name as him and coincidentally start sounding the alarm about dissatisfied players quitting the game?
You do have a point, it is impossible to keep everyone happy — especially those who expect to get the same rewards as the people who spend to keep the game alive for everyone.
I think the core problem with this event is the crystal and the hype leading up to this.
On its face value, the crystal seems like a decent value; but I have to wonder if it was conceived when the Daily Super Event wasn’t a regular thing — seems like the frequent drops from the crystal can be claimed via the event within a week. That doesn’t seem like it’s worth 2100 units.
Add to that, the tokens for the crystals were being offered as rewards that seemed to tie in with the saga theme — which could have further elevated expectations.
Add to that, it is the 10th anniversary of the game, which is a great milestone; would’ve been nice to have some extra 7* shards to pop open more crystals. Karatemike opened 105 and got 2 7*s.. that’s just not right.
We will never know what the “reward budget” is for an event so we will never know if the realm rewards were bonuses or items taken away from solo/alliance milestones, and it’s likely that the previous gifting events were unbalanced, but the 10th anniversary wasn’t the time for a reality check lol.
W/e the data says, you have to agree that the crystals weren’t “fun” to open — I personally reached all the realm milestones in about 30 minutes, got 1 7*, 1 trophy champ selector and not much else to speak of. Not awful, but something about the crystals themselves seems disappointing.
They should really make these changes so as to offer truce to the most irate crowd:
- goodies to the final realm milestones, more titan shards , more crystals - compensate all Odin unit deal purchases with more SBCs ( 5 at least for every purchase) - Give everyone who bought the initial SBC deals , more banquet keys - Increase the rank Rewards payout massively , especially 2-3% above. This is their spender crowd. And they’ll lose them, if they don’t fix this.
Or, they can ignore the most irate crowd as being players that they could do without.
Probably the most amusing thing about this is describing this as "a truce." Like, this is the least they could do. Anyone who thinks this is the least they could do is way too costly to keep as a player. The game would implode trying to keep them happy. It was not worth it to keep the players who said they would quit if Kabam released 5* champs (or 6* champs or 7* champs and are saying it already for 8* champs). It was not worth it to keep the players who said they would quit if kabam did not reverse 12.0 or eliminate DR. It is not worth it to keep players whose expectations are so disconnected from reality that they see the above as the least Kabam could do, because that says their actual expectations are vastly higher. Higher than that goes from being ridiculous to stupidly ridiculous.
The people complaining are not the spender crowd. The spender crowd is currently spending on the event. The irate crowd is just that: the irate crowd. They keep threatening to quit, and yet we still seem to have the same number of them year after year. Sometimes coincidentally with the exact same names, imagine that. You're not going to believe this, but another player that chose the exact same name as you got fed up with the game and quit in 2023. What are the odds that you'd pick the same name as him and coincidentally start sounding the alarm about dissatisfied players quitting the game?
Ehh you are right to a certain point. The non spender crowd is complaining a lot, the whales are whaling.. some casual spenders like myself looked at the crystals and decided not to spend. Whales will whale, non spenders won't spend, losing paying customers they already had sucks...
Yes and no. You don't want to lose players, spenders or otherwise, but the goal of the dev team is to maintain the success of the game for as long as possible. Sure it helps to make money, but every dollar they make happens in a larger context of the longevity of the game. They could make a lot more money in the short term by offering more stuff for sale for less money overall, but that would wreck the long term viability of the game. The devs would rather make less money if it means the game lasts longer overall.
So yes, losing a paying customer, or losing their cash at least, is a negative. But that has to be balanced around what it would cost to get it. Sometimes it is worth it, sometimes it is not. And no matter where you decide to draw the line, someone else can come along and say the line *could* be drawn just a little higher and everything would still be fine. That's a judgment call. But the devs have to draw it somewhere, and where ever they draw it, they will lose someone. Someone will stop spending because of that choice. Someone will stop playing altogether because of that choice. That's true for literally every decision they make. They have to pick the decisions that have the best net overall impact on the longevity of the game.
Well if the intention is to keep TBs happy they will lose my interest. The whole year they have been burning the candle on both ends. Personally I felt they were only making events for whales and lower progression. Everything in between counting casual or non whale spenders didn't get anything other than subpar deals or events.
If there's one thing I can say with certainty, it is that this does not represent the feedback expressed on the forums over the past year. Literally everyone has been getting slapped in the face at one time or another, from the whales to the F2P players to the Valiants to the everybody but Valiants. I don't see Kabam specifically pouring all the salt on just one group of players.
It was literally at the start of the banquet that a lot of people were saying the rewards were fine for "low Valiants" but not "high Valiants." Some people were saying the rewards were fine for grinders who had large enough stockpiles of units but not casual players. Others were saying it was specifically the casual players that got a reasonable return, because they could use everything while less casual players were faced with excess "filler." This seems to be a grass being greener problem, if you're unhappy with the event, or with the game in general. It is always possible to hypothesize a group of players that could take advantage of all the things you can't or don't, so it always seems like everyone like you is being left out, and all those other people have it better. But there's always people in those groups who believe the same thing about the players like you.
W/e the data says, you have to agree that the crystals weren’t “fun” to open — I personally reached all the realm milestones in about 30 minutes, got 1 7*, 1 trophy champ selector and not much else to speak of. Not awful, but something about the crystals themselves seems disappointing.
I do agree the crystals were not especially fun to open - unless you were one of the very lucky ones (I was not). And I'm pretty sure that's almost deliberately the case. I hear you about the crystals; there's a lot I think was done wrong with those, and I might do differently. But this is not as simple a problem as it might appear, or I would have solved it and proposed the solution by now.
There are certain parameters the event needed to be designed around, and the devs decided to factor in lessons from previous banquet events. One of those lessons was not to make the rewards too reliant on RNG. So they shifted the rewards from the crystals to the milestones. The problem is that can create a perception problem that the crystals are totally worthless. In response to that (I believe) the devs tried to spice up the crystals by including rare but valuable rewards. But for mathy reasons that can make the crystals seem even worse: some players will perceive the crystals as lottery tickets and judge them on the basis of the best possible prize, but others will judge them based on their actual return on the crystals which will be significantly lower than average for the vast majority of players.
[A lot of math being cut out here]
Whether anyone believes it or not, there is a reward budget for the event and thus the crystals and milestones combined could only contain so much value. If you put more in the milestones, there's less in the crystals. And if you try to spice up the crystals by having jackpots in them, that means everything other than the jackpots has to be reduced to compensate. These things can become (or seem to become) logically forcing design branches.
And as soon as I figure out how to fix that without ignoring the design rules (which the devs will simply ignore) or breaking the event (which the devs will simply ignore) or make things even worse (which the devs might accidentally do, so best to avoid that one), I'll be sure to write that up.
I do want to address one thing regarding the skepticism over the reward budgets and the realm event that I think is valid confusion or skepticism. If there is a reward budget, then shouldn't we assume the realm event rewards came from it? I mean, how can I say if the milestones go up the crystals will go down, but then the devs can just add the rewards for the realm event on top? That seems on the surface illogical.
That's a complicated one, but the simplified answer is: the "reward budget" is not just some made up number. The budget is a justified thing, based on what the rewards are intended to do. Rewards collectively have a purpose, and the reward budget is determined to be the best balance between achieving those goals, whatever they are, with the least impact on the game as a whole when trying to achieve them.
Put simply, it is possible for the rewards in the banquet event to be designed to serve a specific purpose, and thus generate a budget balanced around that objective, but then have something like a realm event come along that contains rewards that serve a completely different purpose, and that completely different purpose then justifies those rewards existence. That's how there can be a reward budget for the banquet, and a separate reward budget for the realm event, that do not take from each other.
A discussion of what those different purposes are would be a completely different thing, and speculative on my part. I can imagine what those two things might be, but I don't actually know Kabam's thoughts on that nor have I discussed it with the devs. They are of course free to come along and call BS if I'm just hallucinating. However, this notion of justification formed the foundation of my original suggestion to make Alliance War revives free. Without it, that would have been just dead on arrival.
You’re not majority. A tiny bunch of valiants will still keep trying to play keep-up.
A giant bit of lower players will hold it up better.
The majority of players don't interact with the forums or discord at all.
100%. I hope people don't confuse Kabam's sentimental desire to engage with the small and vocal minority of players on the forum with an actual business need to do so.
They should really make these changes so as to offer truce to the most irate crowd:
- goodies to the final realm milestones, more titan shards , more crystals - compensate all Odin unit deal purchases with more SBCs ( 5 at least for every purchase) - Give everyone who bought the initial SBC deals , more banquet keys - Increase the rank Rewards payout massively , especially 2-3% above. This is their spender crowd. And they’ll lose them, if they don’t fix this.
Or, they can ignore the most irate crowd as being players that they could do without.
Probably the most amusing thing about this is describing this as "a truce." Like, this is the least they could do. Anyone who thinks this is the least they could do is way too costly to keep as a player. The game would implode trying to keep them happy. It was not worth it to keep the players who said they would quit if Kabam released 5* champs (or 6* champs or 7* champs and are saying it already for 8* champs). It was not worth it to keep the players who said they would quit if kabam did not reverse 12.0 or eliminate DR. It is not worth it to keep players whose expectations are so disconnected from reality that they see the above as the least Kabam could do, because that says their actual expectations are vastly higher. Higher than that goes from being ridiculous to stupidly ridiculous.
The people complaining are not the spender crowd. The spender crowd is currently spending on the event. The irate crowd is just that: the irate crowd. They keep threatening to quit, and yet we still seem to have the same number of them year after year. Sometimes coincidentally with the exact same names, imagine that. You're not going to believe this, but another player that chose the exact same name as you got fed up with the game and quit in 2023. What are the odds that you'd pick the same name as him and coincidentally start sounding the alarm about dissatisfied players quitting the game?
Ehh you are right to a certain point. The non spender crowd is complaining a lot, the whales are whaling.. some casual spenders like myself looked at the crystals and decided not to spend. Whales will whale, non spenders won't spend, losing paying customers they already had sucks...
Yes and no. You don't want to lose players, spenders or otherwise, but the goal of the dev team is to maintain the success of the game for as long as possible. Sure it helps to make money, but every dollar they make happens in a larger context of the longevity of the game. They could make a lot more money in the short term by offering more stuff for sale for less money overall, but that would wreck the long term viability of the game. The devs would rather make less money if it means the game lasts longer overall.
So yes, losing a paying customer, or losing their cash at least, is a negative. But that has to be balanced around what it would cost to get it. Sometimes it is worth it, sometimes it is not. And no matter where you decide to draw the line, someone else can come along and say the line *could* be drawn just a little higher and everything would still be fine. That's a judgment call. But the devs have to draw it somewhere, and where ever they draw it, they will lose someone. Someone will stop spending because of that choice. Someone will stop playing altogether because of that choice. That's true for literally every decision they make. They have to pick the decisions that have the best net overall impact on the longevity of the game.
Well if the intention is to keep TBs happy they will lose my interest. The whole year they have been burning the candle on both ends. Personally I felt they were only making events for whales and lower progression. Everything in between counting casual or non whale spenders didn't get anything other than subpar deals or events.
If there's one thing I can say with certainty, it is that this does not represent the feedback expressed on the forums over the past year. Literally everyone has been getting slapped in the face at one time or another, from the whales to the F2P players to the Valiants to the everybody but Valiants. I don't see Kabam specifically pouring all the salt on just one group of players.
It was literally at the start of the banquet that a lot of people were saying the rewards were fine for "low Valiants" but not "high Valiants." Some people were saying the rewards were fine for grinders who had large enough stockpiles of units but not casual players. Others were saying it was specifically the casual players that got a reasonable return, because they could use everything while less casual players were faced with excess "filler." This seems to be a grass being greener problem, if you're unhappy with the event, or with the game in general. It is always possible to hypothesize a group of players that could take advantage of all the things you can't or don't, so it always seems like everyone like you is being left out, and all those other people have it better. But there's always people in those groups who believe the same thing about the players like you.
You might be right; but unfortunately some people are prisoners of their own words. They said it was an event to let other catch up. Anything that makes a common pool of rewards is a way to let others catch up (Realm events are horrible). I said it many times its the way I feel. I personally feel they shifted the target on what type of players to focus on. We will see, as of now myself have a 3 month plan. If the way I feel about the game keeps on being the same way. I am done with it. Unfortunately the 3 month period comes with me cutting all type of spending. Now am I doing this as a threat? No, far from it. I don't think my spending will even put a chip on them.
It might’ve been simpler if they used the tokens we received over the months to buy items from the store and you can only buy more of a package if you bought everything.. and have that cycle infinitely.
If anything the recent R4 7*s prove is the whales will whale — but it gives the budget conscious of us some choice over what we get.
It is a rather boring prospect to have another store, but it feels like that’s the path of least frustration.
I really hope there's some kind of compensation, honestly I don't see how that would work. But what I really want to see it's Kabam acknowledging the whole thing. I know they addressed us with the new milestone items a few days back, but the backlash they received right after that and then the market bundle thing added to the decision of a delayed response makes them look way worse. They really need to think about it throughly on what to say to appease the community. That being said it's totally justifiable that they don't answer us these days considering the holidays and at the end of the day it's just a game.
That being said Kabam should take this as a way to look on how to improve their approach to the community in a different manner.
Remeber everyone if fortnight can get a lawsuit on baiting and misleading people into buying bundles with Fomo then so can they, let's not let them forget that, I mean one could say strike one with that cheeky trick they pulled by releasing the $50 bundles for 11 crystals two days prior (when the event began) the $50 bundle for 10 crystals and a BANQUET KEY. Like atleast be smart and make it a different price smh. And that's only one example I can only imagine what longer term players have gone through
Remeber everyone if fortnight can get a lawsuit on baiting and misleading people into buying bundles with Fomo then so can they, let's not let them forget that, I mean one could say strike one with that cheeky trick they pulled by releasing the $50 bundles for 11 crystals two days prior (when the event began) the $50 bundle for 10 crystals and a BANQUET KEY. Like atleast be smart and make it a different price smh. And that's only one example I can only imagine what longer term players have gone through
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So yes, losing a paying customer, or losing their cash at least, is a negative. But that has to be balanced around what it would cost to get it. Sometimes it is worth it, sometimes it is not. And no matter where you decide to draw the line, someone else can come along and say the line *could* be drawn just a little higher and everything would still be fine. That's a judgment call. But the devs have to draw it somewhere, and where ever they draw it, they will lose someone. Someone will stop spending because of that choice. Someone will stop playing altogether because of that choice. That's true for literally every decision they make. They have to pick the decisions that have the best net overall impact on the longevity of the game.
...I'm pretty sure I said the same thing last year.
I'll finish with this, I will take the Hype of the next 10 years with the same caution of the hype raised on this event from now on. Meaning if this was supposed to be the best Banquet ever, the "next 10 years" might as well be 3...
There's great reason why I said if you're a casual spender, then spend your money in Cyber and save 10k units or so for banquet. Don't ever expect to put the majority of your spending on banquet unless you really love RNG.
A tiny bunch of valiants will still keep trying to play keep-up.
A giant bit of lower players will hold it up better.
Banquet 2023 trash
4/7: 2024 was pretty good
CM 2024 trash
Banquet 2024 trash...
Yup it was mostly trash.
I think the core problem with this event is the crystal and the hype leading up to this.
On its face value, the crystal seems like a decent value; but I have to wonder if it was conceived when the Daily Super Event wasn’t a regular thing — seems like the frequent drops from the crystal can be claimed via the event within a week. That doesn’t seem like it’s worth 2100 units.
Add to that, the tokens for the crystals were being offered as rewards that seemed to tie in with the saga theme — which could have further elevated expectations.
Add to that, it is the 10th anniversary of the game, which is a great milestone; would’ve been nice to have some extra 7* shards to pop open more crystals. Karatemike opened 105 and got 2 7*s.. that’s just not right.
We will never know what the “reward budget” is for an event so we will never know if the realm rewards were bonuses or items taken away from solo/alliance milestones, and it’s likely that the previous gifting events were unbalanced, but the 10th anniversary wasn’t the time for a reality check lol.
W/e the data says, you have to agree that the crystals weren’t “fun” to open — I personally reached all the realm milestones in about 30 minutes, got 1 7*, 1 trophy champ selector and not much else to speak of. Not awful, but something about the crystals themselves seems disappointing.
Was told and in crystal description.
What else are they supposed to do?
Club it over your head?
It was literally at the start of the banquet that a lot of people were saying the rewards were fine for "low Valiants" but not "high Valiants." Some people were saying the rewards were fine for grinders who had large enough stockpiles of units but not casual players. Others were saying it was specifically the casual players that got a reasonable return, because they could use everything while less casual players were faced with excess "filler." This seems to be a grass being greener problem, if you're unhappy with the event, or with the game in general. It is always possible to hypothesize a group of players that could take advantage of all the things you can't or don't, so it always seems like everyone like you is being left out, and all those other people have it better. But there's always people in those groups who believe the same thing about the players like you.
There are certain parameters the event needed to be designed around, and the devs decided to factor in lessons from previous banquet events. One of those lessons was not to make the rewards too reliant on RNG. So they shifted the rewards from the crystals to the milestones. The problem is that can create a perception problem that the crystals are totally worthless. In response to that (I believe) the devs tried to spice up the crystals by including rare but valuable rewards. But for mathy reasons that can make the crystals seem even worse: some players will perceive the crystals as lottery tickets and judge them on the basis of the best possible prize, but others will judge them based on their actual return on the crystals which will be significantly lower than average for the vast majority of players.
[A lot of math being cut out here]
Whether anyone believes it or not, there is a reward budget for the event and thus the crystals and milestones combined could only contain so much value. If you put more in the milestones, there's less in the crystals. And if you try to spice up the crystals by having jackpots in them, that means everything other than the jackpots has to be reduced to compensate. These things can become (or seem to become) logically forcing design branches.
And as soon as I figure out how to fix that without ignoring the design rules (which the devs will simply ignore) or breaking the event (which the devs will simply ignore) or make things even worse (which the devs might accidentally do, so best to avoid that one), I'll be sure to write that up.
I do want to address one thing regarding the skepticism over the reward budgets and the realm event that I think is valid confusion or skepticism. If there is a reward budget, then shouldn't we assume the realm event rewards came from it? I mean, how can I say if the milestones go up the crystals will go down, but then the devs can just add the rewards for the realm event on top? That seems on the surface illogical.
That's a complicated one, but the simplified answer is: the "reward budget" is not just some made up number. The budget is a justified thing, based on what the rewards are intended to do. Rewards collectively have a purpose, and the reward budget is determined to be the best balance between achieving those goals, whatever they are, with the least impact on the game as a whole when trying to achieve them.
Put simply, it is possible for the rewards in the banquet event to be designed to serve a specific purpose, and thus generate a budget balanced around that objective, but then have something like a realm event come along that contains rewards that serve a completely different purpose, and that completely different purpose then justifies those rewards existence. That's how there can be a reward budget for the banquet, and a separate reward budget for the realm event, that do not take from each other.
A discussion of what those different purposes are would be a completely different thing, and speculative on my part. I can imagine what those two things might be, but I don't actually know Kabam's thoughts on that nor have I discussed it with the devs. They are of course free to come along and call BS if I'm just hallucinating. However, this notion of justification formed the foundation of my original suggestion to make Alliance War revives free. Without it, that would have been just dead on arrival.
If anything the recent R4 7*s prove is the whales will whale — but it gives the budget conscious of us some choice over what we get.
It is a rather boring prospect to have another store, but it feels like that’s the path of least frustration.
But what I really want to see it's Kabam acknowledging the whole thing. I know they addressed us with the new milestone items a few days back, but the backlash they received right after that and then the market bundle thing added to the decision of a delayed response makes them look way worse.
They really need to think about it throughly on what to say to appease the community.
That being said it's totally justifiable that they don't answer us these days considering the holidays and at the end of the day it's just a game.
That being said Kabam should take this as a way to look on how to improve their approach to the community in a different manner.