Im with you on 50% of this. A lot of them were purchased with cash seems wrong that they are treated the same as the free ones.
On your own with the lawsuit part. It’s just a game at the end of the day no matter how passionate we get about our opinions about directions we want it to take.
I'm not too familiar with what the cash offers were, but AFAIK, they were bonus items. I don't believe there were any straight up $1 for 1 ticket, but rather $5 for units plus bonus items (including tickets). It'd be harder to prove that someone only bought the offer because of the bonus item, compared to if there were straight up offers. I could be mistaken though.
I know plenty of folks that were influenced it as being part of the deals it may not have been the only reason but it was part of it.
This event has been a total miss though and this is one of the smaller misses overall. Still it’s not illogical to think constructively that because cash offers were part of how the tickets were earned that there should have been some other point value associated with trading in tokens for crystals. Just like if you got extra points for the bonus crystals in cash offers.
It’s been an inconsistent approach… but I guess those with steel boot polish have their heads too obstructed with assumed importance hats to question it.
Im with you on 50% of this. A lot of them were purchased with cash seems wrong that they are treated the same as the free ones.
On your own with the lawsuit part. It’s just a game at the end of the day no matter how passionate we get about our opinions about directions we want it to take.
I'm not too familiar with what the cash offers were, but AFAIK, they were bonus items. I don't believe there were any straight up $1 for 1 ticket, but rather $5 for units plus bonus items (including tickets). It'd be harder to prove that someone only bought the offer because of the bonus item, compared to if there were straight up offers. I could be mistaken though.
You're using logic to explain the issue. He won't understand.
Interesting take coming from the local contrarian
We don’t need to get into it with each other here. Let’s get into the holiday spirit and enjoy the gift that OP has provided here
Good news! The threat of a lawsuit has increased the points awarded from SBCs obtained by tickets. The bad news is every milestone has been increased by the same amount x number of free crystals available.
Me personally I am hoping for the lawsuit. These lawsuit threats are far more disappointing than the banquet is, because at least there was an actual banquet. The lawsuit threats always come to absolutely nothing.
Suing Kabam in Federal court (I’m assuming US Federal court) would be extra interesting, because I would be curious to see how the venue was justified. There are in fact conditions that would allow a Federal court to take jurisdiction, but those would tend to limit the scope of the lawsuit.
This is actually a complicated bit of law I am not an expert at, or even competently knowledgeable of, but I do know that there are a complex set of roadblocks to succeeding legally here. Most attempts to prove fraud require both intent and material damages, both of which would be difficult or impossible to prove. Regulatory violations such as false advertising claims do not require either of those things, but tend to run afoul of proving a failure with so many indirect steps. I.e. you bought the bundle and got the tickets, so you cannot claim to have not gotten what was advertised. The tickets did not grant what you expected, but that wasn’t an advertised benefit at sale. The utility value can be inferred, but that utility was actually disclaimed in the game via the points statement. That statement was arguably ambiguous, and thus it was clarified, but can that ambiguity form the basis of a reasonable expectation and then followed all the way up the chain to the purchase moment? I’m highly skeptical.
But if there are any lawyers out there who a) think I’m wrong and b) want to try to prove it in court, by all means. I would be fascinated win or lose.
Lawsuits don't settle anything Netmarble owns Kabam Start buying Netmarble shares The entire company is valued at 3 billion USD Buy 10% of the company and get a board seat and start complaining to Netmarble CEO about the atrocious banquet crystals
Lawsuits don't settle anything Netmarble owns Kabam Start buying Netmarble shares The entire company is valued at 3 billion USD Buy 10% of the company and get a board seat and start complaining to Netmarble CEO about the atrocious banquet crystals
What do you mean preferred shares don’t have voting rights? Any reasonable person would think “preferred” meant “better.” Who would prefer shares that can’t vote? This is all a big scam. I’m going to sue for false advertising and fraud. If they weren’t trying to defraud me they would explain to me exactly what those preferred shares actually did. They would have called them unpreferred shares. The only correct thing to do is just give me those voting rights that I expected to get when I was buying those shares. I only bought them for those rights, so I was buying those rights.
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This event has been a total miss though and this is one of the smaller misses overall. Still it’s not illogical to think constructively that because cash offers were part of how the tickets were earned that there should have been some other point value associated with trading in tokens for crystals. Just like if you got extra points for the bonus crystals in cash offers.
It’s been an inconsistent approach… but I guess those with steel boot polish have their heads too obstructed with assumed importance hats to question it.
Suing Kabam in Federal court (I’m assuming US Federal court) would be extra interesting, because I would be curious to see how the venue was justified. There are in fact conditions that would allow a Federal court to take jurisdiction, but those would tend to limit the scope of the lawsuit.
This is actually a complicated bit of law I am not an expert at, or even competently knowledgeable of, but I do know that there are a complex set of roadblocks to succeeding legally here. Most attempts to prove fraud require both intent and material damages, both of which would be difficult or impossible to prove. Regulatory violations such as false advertising claims do not require either of those things, but tend to run afoul of proving a failure with so many indirect steps. I.e. you bought the bundle and got the tickets, so you cannot claim to have not gotten what was advertised. The tickets did not grant what you expected, but that wasn’t an advertised benefit at sale. The utility value can be inferred, but that utility was actually disclaimed in the game via the points statement. That statement was arguably ambiguous, and thus it was clarified, but can that ambiguity form the basis of a reasonable expectation and then followed all the way up the chain to the purchase moment? I’m highly skeptical.
But if there are any lawyers out there who a) think I’m wrong and b) want to try to prove it in court, by all means. I would be fascinated win or lose.
Netmarble owns Kabam
Start buying Netmarble shares
The entire company is valued at 3 billion USD
Buy 10% of the company and get a board seat and start complaining to Netmarble CEO about the atrocious banquet crystals