Heimdall is clearly modded beyond the nodes

PandingoPandingo Member Posts: 1,146 ★★★★
edited January 1 in General Discussion
Nowhere in the nodes does it say he favors heavy attacks correct? Then why the absolute *#<= is he dropping them time after time after time when I'm not even blocking. This is absolutely an absurd unit grab. Or am I missing a node? Special attacks 1 and 2? Sure. But he isn't even dropping them. Just constant heavy attacks

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  • JLordVileJJLordVileJ Member Posts: 5,497 ★★★★★
    It makes the fight a bit easier imo. Imagine u tryna bait heavies and u dashing back but u getting disorient so ur block prof is reduced to ashes and he won't throw heavies. That being said, it should have been in the nodes as heavy bias. Not a problem in my opinion tho
  • JLordVileJJLordVileJ Member Posts: 5,497 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Heimdall always had heavy bias built into his kit just like mysterio and chavez do.

    Really? Never noticed, good to know
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,694 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Heimdall always had heavy bias built into his kit just like mysterio and chavez do.

    I hate 2 of these heavy as they do it for no reason especially after a special
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 11,191 ★★★★★
    Not the worst just learning the time.
  • Suros_moonSuros_moon Member Posts: 488 ★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Heimdall always had heavy bias built into his kit just like mysterio and chavez do.

    Nowhere else in game does heimdall attempt to intercept you full screen with a heavy attack or chain heavies midscreen while you arent blocking, or animation cancel his dash i to heavy attacks. The original point stands that his behavior is not analogous to his counterparts elsewhere and that the nodes don’t indicate why that would be the case
  • Suros_moonSuros_moon Member Posts: 488 ★★★★
    Ashacekar said:

    All AoA defenders are adjusted beyond nodes, they are evil ai with no heart, they just doesn't respect anyone except msd. They somehow get angry at me for no reason. Heim just heavy spams like i owe him something.


    The answer to OP is the less hyperbolic version of this: EOP defenders should be thought of as unique versions of the characters. They will be tuned to behave in ways that interact well with the nodes and that won’t necessarily be the same as they behave in other game modes
  • Suros_moonSuros_moon Member Posts: 488 ★★★★
    edited January 1
    Squidopus said:

    Suros_moon said:

    Pikolu said:

    Heimdall always had heavy bias built into his kit just like mysterio and chavez do.

    Nowhere else in game does heimdall attempt to intercept you full screen with a heavy attack or chain heavies midscreen while you arent blocking, or animation cancel his dash i to heavy attacks. The original point stands that his behavior is not analogous to his counterparts elsewhere and that the nodes don’t indicate why that would be the case
    As someone who hates running into Heimdall, let me tell you, he absolutely does that. Pikolu’s comparison to Mysterio is an offense to Mysterio, because even he isn’t so heavy happy.

    Im going to challenge you directly to find an example of heimdall doing these four things outside of EOP:

    1) Cancelling his dash into a heavy
    2) Attempting a heavy attack during a standing intercept
    3) Attempting a heavy during a heavy chain in the corner
    4) Attempting to heavy during block pressure

    This heimdall is obviously not 1:1 with the standard one. Thats to be expected because its EOP. They NEED to be tuned for node interaction purposes, but the answer to “why is this heimdall different” isnt “all heimdalls do that”
  • AshacekarAshacekar Member Posts: 2,256 ★★★★★
    Suros_moon said:

    Ashacekar said:

    All AoA defenders are adjusted beyond nodes, they are evil ai with no heart, they just doesn't respect anyone except msd. They somehow get angry at me for no reason. Heim just heavy spams like i owe him something.


    The answer to OP is the less hyperbolic version of this: EOP defenders should be thought of as unique versions of the characters. They will be tuned to behave in ways that interact well with the nodes and that won’t necessarily be the same as they behave in other game modes
    I approve hyperbolic version of my answer. I had to look that up but it sounds good. I like alternate realities.
  • PandingoPandingo Member Posts: 1,146 ★★★★
    edited January 1
    I don't recall reading any notes on the matter there. It would make sense but it's extremely infuriating to take a champ. Jack up their stats. Add a bunch of difficult nodes. And then mod them to throw heavies from HALFWAY across the screen. I know ai is a constant battle with the game but come on. It's a challenging and fun fight with all the nodes as is. The ai modification just makes it's rng based and completely bogus. And if that's what they (the developers) are going to do. Then just add it to the nodes instead of making it a 'hidden' node.
  • PandingoPandingo Member Posts: 1,146 ★★★★
    Yokozuna1994 said:

    This is why we will be filing a federal lawsuit demanding our units back for banquet crystals. If you can manipulate heimdall AI you can manipulate crystals to give better pulls so Kabam needs to stop the scam

    It's a hope and dream of many in the past decade. The least they could have done after acknowledging how awful the crystals were would to just duplicate the number of crystals opened for every player. It would have given the 3% a larger gap over ftp but the middle percentage of players wouldn't see a huge difference. Also I'd argue that whale or no. Skill and rng puts us all on pretty even playing fields. But that's a conversation for another post.
  • PandingoPandingo Member Posts: 1,146 ★★★★
    Also. Per heimdall. It is bogus. I don't agree with the 'tactic' of hidden modifiers. But I will say a solo is super possible and not overly difficult. You just need to ignore the nodes completely, bait sp1s from a distance, slow play the heavy spams (evading) and spam L3s until he is dead. It's just annoying because I doubt that's how they envisioned the fight going.
  • kus234kus234 Member Posts: 357 ★★★
    He is tweaked like America Chavez who favors heavy .. it's a tweak not a mod.. agree he throws heavy a lot and back to back at times . He even chains Sp1 after his heavy.. very smart AI
  • Awesomep12Awesomep12 Member Posts: 1,580 ★★★★
    He has always thrown heavies to the wind
  • travgianttravgiant Member Posts: 32 ★
    Heimdall has always been like this, he loves to throw heavy’s
    This fight was probably designed specifically in this way because of this behavior
  • PandingoPandingo Member Posts: 1,146 ★★★★
    travgiant said:

    Heimdall has always been like this, he loves to throw heavy’s
    This fight was probably designed specifically in this way because of this behavior

    From across the map while no blocking is initiated 3 times in a row? Seems...excessive
  • dv99999dv99999 Member Posts: 64 ★
    yep they make you loss many revives haha. The kinds of this content is only for skiiled player. I dont know how they play without any miss, or just one time they got luck and up that video.

    After the fight, we will feel being scammed
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,486 ★★★★★
    dv99999 said:

    yep they make you loss many revives haha. The kinds of this content is only for skiiled player. I dont know how they play without any miss, or just one time they got luck and up that video.

    After the fight, we will feel being scammed

    It’s really not that bad of a fight, you just need to take the time to learn it. I’m no YouTuber and I soloed all four objectives without boosts or recoils or anything like that. Honestly, once you’ve learned it, this might be the easiest fight of the season.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,691 ★★★★★
    Toyota_2015 said:

    Heimdall has always had an intrinsic heavy bias in his AI, just like Chavez and Mysterio.

    There are lots of champions that have different AI profiles than normal. For example, Venom, Carnage, and Sabretooth have more aggressive AI. Hyperion is more likely to throw special attacks due to his potent power gain. Both Sabretooth and Killmonger love to throw their SP1 and SP2 respectively when you’re really far away from them, as opposed to right next to them. And maybe this is a tinfoil hat theory, but I swear Captain America blocks more than normal champions do

    There’s also the fact that the AI knows whether or not a hit is going to land. Heimdall’s heavy attack has a lot of reach, which is part of why he throws it so often. After you dex his dash attack, Venom will oftentimes throw a second medium attack because he has the reach for it. There are a few other champions that do this too but I can’t remember them off of the top of my head. I’m fairly certain CMM is one of them…

    Nah sometimes he goes passive and holds till he has a sp3 ready
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,691 ★★★★★
    Heimdall is like that usually
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