Probably gonna be shredded here, any way you could put out an offer for a Deathless Awakening Gem?
OmegaCrab
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I know a bunch of us, myself, included had to pick up a couple pieces for various Deathless champs. Because of this, my Deathless Groot is unawakened as well as my Deathless Vision. I’ve kind of become obsessed with running the Deathless team, and all of them are ranked three except for Deathless Guillotine, which I should have rianked three by the end of the week. It would be cool though, if I could get them awakened without having to use a seven star awakening gem (which both have been science). I’d be totally fine if it was exclusive to those four and not Deathless Thanos.
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I feel for people like you and @Chuck_Finley who spent a ton of units for missing pieces and can't get them duped. Hope it's ok that I name dropped you.
I doubt we'll see an offer as soon as the end of this saga but that would be cool
sounds good
For those of you who have the full team at a decent level maybe your experiences have been similar to mine, but I’m finding this team to be one of the most enjoyable and fun questing teams in the whole game and really want to enjoy them at their full potential. The problem is… I guess not that I have enough money even if this wasn’t the case, but when you get the deathless champion unlocked, you no longer have any options to buy any of the pieces so you really are completely and totally locked out of the dupe unless you get an awakening gem, which at least as it stands currently is very, very rare.
In future can you not ask for such unreasonable things to happen all because you were either:
a) disorganised
b) busy with real life.
(But also, I agree it would be cool if you had an opportunity to dupe them)
But given that each Deathless piece has cost 5000 units, what would people perceive as a 'fair' price?
10k?
It does seem counterintuitive at the moment though as you’d think the team would cap the amount of units needed to complete a champ at 10k (just above going rate for 7stars) at the very least, with another 5-10k to dupe one of the 4 chase champs as they are not in permanent content, where Thanos is.
Why would they put a "cap" of 10k (which as you said, is just above a regular 7*) to get a deathless champ?
They're literally chase champs that alot of us took a year to get.
Making them available for 10k units would be a kick in the teeth for the people who spent a year chasing them.
I'm not against Deathless awakening gems becoming available at some point, but the cost should not be based on how expensive anyone thinks it should be or how useful the awakening is. It should be based on how hard it was to get in the first place. For some people it was easy, but for many players it was a fairly difficult thing, and it was also time limited which made the chase more difficult. It is that difficulty that has to be factored into any potential AG cost, because if you make it cheap enough and soon enough to devalue the original chase for it, it will discourage people from chasing after similar things in the future.
Dr. Zola
For instance, me personally, I had a very, very easy time getting my Deathless She-Hulk dupe. I believe it took me about 2 maybe 3 revives to do so, which of course is about 120 units. Now I am an aggressively average player. I cap out about Uru 3/2, I do one run of whatever Everest content is currently out, and casually do War/Quest.
From this perspective, charging 5,000 units for a gem from which will barely (at least the way current quest design permits) be of use, especially if structured in a way that requires the completed champion is quit steep. Your second point however is very relevant, that of time sensitivity. This of course is very very difficult to quantify because it puts a artificial inflation on the value of something simply because when it’s gone, it’s gone so in that case it’s value is theoretically infinite. Again though, I’m willing to dig in here because the same thing could be said for any of the pieces that are not found in permanent content, and yet they are able to be purchased individually for 5000 units. Now I’m definitely not saying I’m right here but I consider the dupe just another piece of a champion and I believe 5000 units is a fair price considering that 5000 units worth of revives would be for the overwhelming amount of endgame players and unbelievable overreach of need to dupe whatever champion you needed.
If 10% of the players (who attempt it) do it and 90% fail, that's hard. If 70% of the players who attempt it succeed, that's easy. This oversimplifies details like participation and target audience (nobody cares if a Proven player tries and fails to complete Uncollected MEQ), but that's the general idea.
The question is: did players actually chase the thing? If so, how many? How many of each roster strength and progression title? Was it perceived as valuable enough to stretch for, to spend resources on, to spend lots of time trying? If so, that's the definition of valuable in the game, or at least what we might call incentive value (to distinguish from utility value).
If it is worth chasing, and then you moot the need to chase, you've in effect destroyed value in the game. This not only devalues assets players spent time trying to acquire, it makes your job as a game developer more difficult, because now you have to invent something else for players to chase.
The thing to keep in mind is value in MCOC is not so much about what people have, as it is about how long they are allowed to be the only ones to have it. If you're the first player to pull a new champ that has value, but that value is temporary because eventually everyone will have it. Rank threes are only valuable now because most people don't have them, and those that do tend to have few. In a couple years those R3s won't be all that valuable, not just because there will be higher ranks but also because everyone will have those R3s.
The people who acquired Deathless awakening don't have a permanent thing of value. They have a temporary thing that eventually everyone will have. The only question is how long should they have it, because the longer they do, the more value the original chase for them was. Even Red Deadpool is now acquirable by players who don't spend: nothing is exclusive forever. But it is the length of time that things are exclusive or hard to get that is the judgment call. None of this is really subjective. It is a matter of judgment, which is different.
In this case, the real exclusivity should have been on the actual champions, the catalyst for the Grail, which was the Deathless Thanos. Now again, this is absolutely just my opinion here but with the gates being open to acquire those champions, I personally believe that the awakening gem is lower on the totem pole of special, especially with the fact that awakening gems are absolutely coming, I myself have already opened two.
I think when it comes down to it, the axioms that I’m structuring my opinion on revolve around a central point that Deathless Thanos is what is special about this event. I believe that a 5000 unit price tag is a fair price for something that has no impact on the hunt for the him and is ultimately just for casual fun.
Of course, with this being said, and these champions being obtainable via the deathless shop, I understand this is the last way to make something uniquely valuable to the subset of players that did it in real time, however, I do believe personally that there is nothing really unique about the awakening gem, especially with the inclusion and ever increasing presence of the seven star awakening crystal.
For me, the champions are what was, exclusive, they no longer are via the shop. Throwing in the awakening gem at, I believe the fair price of 5000 units is still painful enough where most won’t do it (I also believe those who are willing to purchase the awakening gem most likely are either whales or wouldn’t need to because they probably did the content to get the dupe naturally). I believe they number is also a respectable number for those saving units and grinding will feel a sense of reward and pride for purchasing it and finally the whales, well if they want it, whatever it is in the current moment…they’ll get it.