DLL - DON’T LET US DOWN

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• OmegaCrab Member Posts: 653 ★★★

  January 16

  I want him to be great too (I’ve duped him as well) but I’m just gonna call it, there most likely going to just tweak him enough so that he’s a good choice to counter a few specific champions and nodes. It’s usually evident from the get-go when a champ is going to be that overall powerhouse that you want. Rarely do we get an America Chavez or a Sinister level buff…but hey, I’m hoping too!

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• WednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,983 ★★★★

  January 16

  Think he could do with some increased cpr when he has his precision and maybe make his resilience unable to be purified for eq nodes and the like. Maybe even throw some pursuit in there

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• Tairique_turay0 Member Posts: 714 ★★★

  January 16

  @OmegaCrab I 100% agree with you mate… that’s why I made this forms post 💀 I need it to be a Sinister, Chavez level buff because i’ve invested in him lol. 99% chance It won’t happen.

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• Tairique_turay0 Member Posts: 714 ★★★

  January 16

  @WednesdayLength They're very good ideas. Especially about the crit percentage. His specials should be guarenteed critical hits, the non crits do basically no damage. It will be interesting to see what they do.

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• captain_rogers Member Posts: 10,890 ★★★★★

  January 16

  His vigilance should be changed into a true focus passive and should last for 10 seconds atleast. When debuffs expire he gets his resolve debuffs so they could implement some sort of endurance effect which he could get, and it benefits his existing kit. His bloc prof increase should be against all champs, not just science ones. And more damage per resolve. He is fine otherwise.

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• ahmynuts Member Posts: 7,935 ★★★★★

  January 16

  🤓☝️ uhm actually he did already let us down since he was the original champion designer

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• Tairique_turay0 Member Posts: 714 ★★★

  January 16

  @captain_rogers I agree with your ideas, but he is not fine unless they give him more utility. That’s his main issue. He severely lacks utility and a reason to use him over every champion apart from Photon.

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• Tairique_turay0 Member Posts: 714 ★★★

  January 16

  @ahmynuts WeKnowThatButCallingOutHisFailureWillNotMotivateHimToMakePatriotGreatSoWeDoNotMentionIt 🙂 so shhhhhhhh 🤫🤐

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• captain_rogers Member Posts: 10,890 ★★★★★

  January 16

  Tairique_turay0 said:

  @captain_rogers I agree with your ideas, but he is not fine unless they give him more utility. That’s his main issue. He severely lacks utility and a reason to use him over every champion apart from Photon.

  10 sec true focus everytime you parry, and endurance as I mentioned, are enough utility imo. What else you want him to do? Daar? We already have a lot of champs doing that. So this'll make him unique without altering his kit much.

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• captain_rogers Member Posts: 10,890 ★★★★★

  January 16

  ahmynuts said:

  🤓☝️ uhm actually he did already let us down since he was the original champion designer

  It's his revenge for picking shang over kate.

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• Texas_11 Member Posts: 2,644 ★★★★★

  January 16

  I don’t understand what’s wrong with him now. He is better than silver sable. He is up there with kingpin and Moleman for damage.
  
  He is a strong skill champ, does great damage, has a vigilance passive to counter champs, and strong block proficiency and a self heal.
  
  I imagine they will just let him ramp up quicker or take down the amount of charges needed to reflect so he can have a longer fury.

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• captain_rogers Member Posts: 10,890 ★★★★★

  January 16

  Texas_11 said:

  I don’t understand what’s wrong with him now. He is better than silver sable. He is up there with kingpin and Moleman for damage.
  
  He is a strong skill champ, does great damage, has a vigilance passive to counter champs, and strong block proficiency and a self heal.
  
  I imagine they will just let him ramp up quicker or take down the amount of charges needed to reflect so he can have a longer fury.

  In what world he does damage similar to kingpin ☠️

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• Tairique_turay0 Member Posts: 714 ★★★

  January 16

  @captain_rogers You don’t have to alter his kit to give him a basic amount of utility, Like a slow on his SP1 would make all the difference. His true focus is 5 seconds but it is very good I agree. Not useful in most matchups.

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• Tairique_turay0 Member Posts: 714 ★★★

  January 16

  @Texas_11 That's probably all they will do tbf. Once he’s ramped, he has great basic attack damage

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• Texas_11 Member Posts: 2,644 ★★★★★

  January 16 edited January 16

  captain_rogers said:

  Texas_11 said:

  I don’t understand what’s wrong with him now. He is better than silver sable. He is up there with kingpin and Moleman for damage.
  
  He is a strong skill champ, does great damage, has a vigilance passive to counter champs, and strong block proficiency and a self heal.
  
  I imagine they will just let him ramp up quicker or take down the amount of charges needed to reflect so he can have a longer fury.

  In what world he does damage similar to kingpin ☠️

  Have you not seen his damage? He can take WS out in about 55 seconds or so. Mole Man does it in 45 with bleeds.

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• Wolf911 Member Posts: 691 ★★★

  January 16

  I have already said it in another thread
  
  he needs only slight tweaks to make him awesome
  
  1. increased power rate per resolve debuff
  2. slow on sp1 or a way to counter evade/unstoppable
  3. increased potency of the precision passive or just increase his base damage ( as of right now if he doesn’t crit he doesn’t do much damage 9k non crit vs 32k crit at rank 2 )

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• kvirr Member Posts: 1,183 ★★★★

  January 16

  captain_rogers said:

  Tairique_turay0 said:

  @captain_rogers I agree with your ideas, but he is not fine unless they give him more utility. That’s his main issue. He severely lacks utility and a reason to use him over every champion apart from Photon.

  10 sec true focus everytime you parry, and endurance as I mentioned, are enough utility imo. What else you want him to do? Daar? We already have a lot of champs doing that. So this'll make him unique without altering his kit much.

  no no no he NEEDS to have atleast 35k attack without ramp, ones he’s ramped he hits for 100k at r1, his ramp is simple
  
  
  all you need to do is parry once and his shield becomes fully charged and now boom he’s the best champion in the game with unavoidable damage

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• DONZALOOG1234 Member Posts: 349 ★★

  January 16

  captain_rogers said:

  Texas_11 said:

  I don’t understand what’s wrong with him now. He is better than silver sable. He is up there with kingpin and Moleman for damage.
  
  He is a strong skill champ, does great damage, has a vigilance passive to counter champs, and strong block proficiency and a self heal.
  
  I imagine they will just let him ramp up quicker or take down the amount of charges needed to reflect so he can have a longer fury.

  In what world he does damage similar to kingpin ☠️

  its better

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• SirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,741 ★★★★★

  January 16

  captain_rogers said:

  ahmynuts said:

  🤓☝️ uhm actually he did already let us down since he was the original champion designer

  It's his revenge for picking shang over kate.

  The dll I know, most probably, is much more happy to not have kate as a 7*.

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• Lokx Member Posts: 1,546 ★★★★

  January 16

  Texas_11 said:

  I don’t understand what’s wrong with him now. He is better than silver sable. He is up there with kingpin and Moleman for damage.
  
  He is a strong skill champ, does great damage, has a vigilance passive to counter champs, and strong block proficiency and a self heal.
  
  I imagine they will just let him ramp up quicker or take down the amount of charges needed to reflect so he can have a longer fury.

  For me the last bit is important, i just find his rampup slow against less ideal champs. And with ideal champs it can still be pretty annoying to play against if the debuff is long. I’d prefer if he reduced the duration of non damaging debuffs so they convert to resolves quicker as well. And lastly, just more chance or possible 100% chance to crit on sp2 when you have 7 resolves.

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• WednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,983 ★★★★

  January 16

  Tairique_turay0 said:

  @WednesdayLength They're very good ideas. Especially about the crit percentage. His specials should be guarenteed critical hits, the non crits do basically no damage. It will be interesting to see what they do.

  I don't think there's necessarily justification to give him guaranteed crits. Maybe like if the precision is active it's potency is increased during specials

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• WednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,983 ★★★★

  January 16

  captain_rogers said:

  His vigilance should be changed into a true focus passive and should last for 10 seconds atleast. When debuffs expire he gets his resolve debuffs so they could implement some sort of endurance effect which he could get, and it benefits his existing kit. His bloc prof increase should be against all champs, not just science ones. And more damage per resolve. He is fine otherwise.

  Giving him true focus on every parry for 10 seconds is waaaaay too much

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• altavista Member Posts: 1,565 ★★★★

  January 16

  The only change that he really requires is to make his core mechanic (Reversal) more reliable.
  Having the opponent decide not to hit you is the main problem. Either an extended heavy charge ability is needed or some type of BRB style infuriate.
  
  Every other change is more of a wishlist or a nice to have. I think the Steadfast ability to block unblockable is the sexiest utility here as it truly differentiates Patriot from the other Skill champions. Having it be available at a lower amount of debuffs against Non-Science would be fantastic.

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• captain_rogers Member Posts: 10,890 ★★★★★

  January 16

  WednesdayLength said:

  captain_rogers said:

  His vigilance should be changed into a true focus passive and should last for 10 seconds atleast. When debuffs expire he gets his resolve debuffs so they could implement some sort of endurance effect which he could get, and it benefits his existing kit. His bloc prof increase should be against all champs, not just science ones. And more damage per resolve. He is fine otherwise.

  Giving him true focus on every parry for 10 seconds is waaaaay too much

  Okokye gets ensare for every dex. Serpent gets permanent true focus after single special. It's nothing nowadays, just a good utility.

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• DrZola Member Posts: 9,252 ★★★★★

  January 16

  For the Patriot stans here, a serious request: please elaborate on play styles, rotation, matchups, etc.
  
  As the owner of a L40 Elijah Bradley, I’ve only used him for Daily Super Event points. He sits unused, but I’m always willing to give a champ a chance.
  
  Dr. Zola

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• DONZALOOG1234 Member Posts: 349 ★★

  January 16

  DrZola said:

  For the Patriot stans here, a serious request: please elaborate on play styles, rotation, matchups, etc.
  
  As the owner of a L40 Elijah Bradley, I’ve only used him for Daily Super Event points. He sits unused, but I’m always willing to give a champ a chance.
  
  Dr. Zola

  what i do is build to 10 resolve debuffs with sp1 which places physical vulnerabilities on the opponent as well, then trigger Reversal and immediately launch sp2 cuz its gonna be unblockable, then rush to another sp2. You can incorporate striker after sp2 to immediately build back to another.

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• Wolf911 Member Posts: 691 ★★★

  January 16

  DrZola said:

  For the Patriot stans here, a serious request: please elaborate on play styles, rotation, matchups, etc.
  
  As the owner of a L40 Elijah Bradley, I’ve only used him for Daily Super Event points. He sits unused, but I’m always willing to give a champ a chance.
  
  Dr. Zola

  Not a stan but owner of r2 sig 40 patriot
  
  what you do is parry MLLLL combos till 1.9 bars or 36-38 in combo meter then sp1
  
  then do the same combos till you get 7 resolve and above 2 bars
  
  bait a special
  
  dash back, hold block then when they dash in block first hit then immediately heavy for reversal and throw sp2
  
  you can go for a heavy or two in between if you want more precision passives

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• EdisonLaw Member Posts: 9,096 ★★★★★

  January 16

  WednesdayLength said:

  captain_rogers said:

  His vigilance should be changed into a true focus passive and should last for 10 seconds atleast. When debuffs expire he gets his resolve debuffs so they could implement some sort of endurance effect which he could get, and it benefits his existing kit. His bloc prof increase should be against all champs, not just science ones. And more damage per resolve. He is fine otherwise.

  Giving him true focus on every parry for 10 seconds is waaaaay too much

  Considering how Serpent can have a permanent true focus after a special attack (as long as you don’t get hit or nullified), I don’t see how this is different

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• Magrailothos Member Posts: 6,105 ★★★★★

  January 16

  EdisonLaw said:

  WednesdayLength said:

  captain_rogers said:

  His vigilance should be changed into a true focus passive and should last for 10 seconds atleast. When debuffs expire he gets his resolve debuffs so they could implement some sort of endurance effect which he could get, and it benefits his existing kit. His bloc prof increase should be against all champs, not just science ones. And more damage per resolve. He is fine otherwise.

  Giving him true focus on every parry for 10 seconds is waaaaay too much

  Considering how Serpent can have a permanent true focus after a special attack (as long as you don’t get hit or nullified), I don’t see how this is different

  Keep the basic Vigilance (or True Focus) duration at five seconds, but have a means to extend it, e.g.
  1 - Pause it whilst hitting the opponent
  2 - increase the duration with Sig
  3 - expires 10% more slowly for each Resolve

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• Tairique_turay0 Member Posts: 714 ★★★

  January 16

  @Wolf911 I 100% agree with your ideas there. That would be an ideal, realistic buff.

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