What do you mean by 7* can't be used? You can both play with them and against them. Death squads are literally 7r3
I should have said in the Trials arena, not in arenas in general, because that's the one people are always complaining about both the speed of, and which champs are allowed to be used in.
DNA, along those lines, I hear people talk about how they want T1 dust to ascend 4* champs for the Trial Arena. But I don't see much of a difference in using max 4* champs and max ascended 4* champs there. Am I missing something? Or is it a case of every little bit helps?
What do you mean by 7* can't be used? You can both play with them and against them. Death squads are literally 7r3
I should have said in the Trials arena, not in arenas in general, because that's the one people are always complaining about both the speed of, and which champs are allowed to be used in.
DNA, along those lines, I hear people talk about how they want T1 dust to ascend 4* champs for the Trial Arena. But I don't see much of a difference in using max 4* champs and max ascended 4* champs there. Am I missing something? Or is it a case of every little bit helps?
It's just a PI thing, looks like appx 10% difference One is with low PI asc (starlord) and high general PI champs, the other is with mid asc (NF) and mid general
What do you mean by 7* can't be used? You can both play with them and against them. Death squads are literally 7r3
I should have said in the Trials arena, not in arenas in general, because that's the one people are always complaining about both the speed of, and which champs are allowed to be used in.
DNA, along those lines, I hear people talk about how they want T1 dust to ascend 4* champs for the Trial Arena. But I don't see much of a difference in using max 4* champs and max ascended 4* champs there. Am I missing something? Or is it a case of every little bit helps?
It's just a PI thing, looks like appx 10% difference One is with low PI asc (starlord) and high general PI champs, the other is with mid asc (NF) and mid general
Ok, thanks. Looks like it's not worth chasing the T1 dust if it's not readily available.
imagine shoplifting from a store and when you go back to your car you notice one of the items [THAT YOU JUST STOLE, repeating for posterity] has a small dent in the packaging and it's bothering you, so you do what any klepto karen would do and you walk back in asking to speak to the manager about them having dented merchandise and that you want an exchange.
this is what asking for an arena update is like! we're getting units much easier than we did 4 years ago, so why ask for a change that you know will be bad??
And yes, it may be less than minimum wage, and I've thought about that, too. But (1) not everyone who plays this game lives in the West where $5 or $10 is considered trivial; and (2) unlike a minimum wage job, I can play arena while watching TV or lying in bed or sitting on the toilet.
I sure hope you’re not sitting on the toilet for an hour 🤣.
But totally agree - this is a game that people play. I never understand when people say “it’s more efficient to earn real money and buy units than it is to grind free units in the arena.” While it’s efficient, it is not playing the game.
No one ever says “why don’t you just earn some money to buy pizza, as opposed to practicing sports to get the end of season pizza party.”
What do you mean by 7* can't be used? You can both play with them and against them. Death squads are literally 7r3
I should have said in the Trials arena, not in arenas in general, because that's the one people are always complaining about both the speed of, and which champs are allowed to be used in.
DNA, along those lines, I hear people talk about how they want T1 dust to ascend 4* champs for the Trial Arena. But I don't see much of a difference in using max 4* champs and max ascended 4* champs there. Am I missing something? Or is it a case of every little bit helps?
It's just a PI thing, looks like appx 10% difference One is with low PI asc (starlord) and high general PI champs, the other is with mid asc (NF) and mid general
Ok, thanks. Looks like it's not worth chasing the T1 dust if it's not readily available.
I don't know how much you want to chase it, but in terms of the benefit of using it since the Trials arena requires a lot more rounds to complete small differences in scoring can have measurable difference in time spent. A 5% improvement in scoring per round could cut five rounds off of 100, and five rounds of time is five rounds of time you don't have to spend a hundred times a year.
What do you mean by 7* can't be used? You can both play with them and against them. Death squads are literally 7r3
I should have said in the Trials arena, not in arenas in general, because that's the one people are always complaining about both the speed of, and which champs are allowed to be used in.
DNA, along those lines, I hear people talk about how they want T1 dust to ascend 4* champs for the Trial Arena. But I don't see much of a difference in using max 4* champs and max ascended 4* champs there. Am I missing something? Or is it a case of every little bit helps?
It's just a PI thing, looks like appx 10% difference One is with low PI asc (starlord) and high general PI champs, the other is with mid asc (NF) and mid general
Ok, thanks. Looks like it's not worth chasing the T1 dust if it's not readily available.
I don't know how much you want to chase it, but in terms of the benefit of using it since the Trials arena requires a lot more rounds to complete small differences in scoring can have measurable difference in time spent. A 5% improvement in scoring per round could cut five rounds off of 100, and five rounds of time is five rounds of time you don't have to spend a hundred times a year.
Thanks, yeah, that makes sense. I'll probably keep getting the T1 dust from the Sigil Store now considering it's pretty cheap (compared to other stuff) and as a Valiant there really is no access to it elsewhere.
I'm actually kind of liking the Trial arena because while I'm working at my desk, I can take a break and do a few rounds, and then go back to work and when it's time for another break, my maxed 4s are ready to go again. If the benefit of ascension for the Arena was a lot, I could even see myself just buying the T1 dust for cash from the webstore, but at 5% I'm not sure it's worth it...
How about leave milestone units the same and make the champ a 7 star in rank rewards and summoner trials can be a 6 star nexus in rank rewards, stop parroting what DNA3000 says without thinking about it yourself.
How about the fact kabam crashed has said when they touch arenas it would not end well for us and they would revamp everything not just 1 arena or part of the arenas so just cause you say how about they leave the milestones as is and update the ranked rewards that is not how it would be
How about leave milestone units the same and make the champ a 7 star in rank rewards and summoner trials can be a 6 star nexus in rank rewards, stop parroting what DNA3000 says without thinking about it yourself.
How about the fact kabam crashed has said when they touch arenas it would not end well for us and they would revamp everything not just 1 arena or part of the arenas so just cause you say how about they leave the milestones as is and update the ranked rewards that is not how it would be
He also said I generally know what I’m talking about most of the time, which is not all that impressive when I stop to think about it, but I say so many things that it still means he has to agree with a large number of them. I believe the majority of them about the arena fall into that category, having worked with Kabam on the arena refactor and having discussed the unit economy with him specifically on more than one occasion.
The question of higher rank rewards in the arenas came up during the last refactor. The bottom line there is the devs don’t want to put a 6* reward in a 4* arena because its progression jumping: it would theoretically allow players that don’t even have 6* champs yet to grind one out in the arenas, which is not what they are intended for. They could make the rank rewards a progression specific selector but I don’t think that’s palatable either because then they would have to field non-stop questions about how two different players can put in identical effort in identical content and get different rewards in a grinding specific mode. And they can’t allow 6* champs to be used in the arena to allow the 6* rank reward because then that would defeat the purpose for which the Trials arena exists in the first place: to be accessible to lower progress players. If you allow them on attack they appear on defense automatically, and they can’t change that without rewriting the mode.
We had our hands full just trying to make sure all the arenas didn’t have 12 million point milestones.
How about leave milestone units the same and make the champ a 7 star in rank rewards and summoner trials can be a 6 star nexus in rank rewards, stop parroting what DNA3000 says without thinking about it yourself.
How about the fact kabam crashed has said when they touch arenas it would not end well for us and they would revamp everything not just 1 arena or part of the arenas so just cause you say how about they leave the milestones as is and update the ranked rewards that is not how it would be
Not only that, he's also said in the past that they've thought about taking units out of arena to put them into other content. So not only would an arena buff end up with harder to grind units there is a chance that there'd be less of them as well.
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One is with low PI asc (starlord) and high general PI champs, the other is with mid asc (NF) and mid general
imagine shoplifting from a store and when you go back to your car you notice one of the items [THAT YOU JUST STOLE, repeating for posterity] has a small dent in the packaging and it's bothering you, so you do what any klepto karen would do and you walk back in asking to speak to the manager about them having dented merchandise and that you want an exchange.
this is what asking for an arena update is like! we're getting units much easier than we did 4 years ago, so why ask for a change that you know will be bad??
But totally agree - this is a game that people play. I never understand when people say “it’s more efficient to earn real money and buy units than it is to grind free units in the arena.” While it’s efficient, it is not playing the game.
No one ever says “why don’t you just earn some money to buy pizza, as opposed to practicing sports to get the end of season pizza party.”
I'm actually kind of liking the Trial arena because while I'm working at my desk, I can take a break and do a few rounds, and then go back to work and when it's time for another break, my maxed 4s are ready to go again.
If the benefit of ascension for the Arena was a lot, I could even see myself just buying the T1 dust for cash from the webstore, but at 5% I'm not sure it's worth it...
The question of higher rank rewards in the arenas came up during the last refactor. The bottom line there is the devs don’t want to put a 6* reward in a 4* arena because its progression jumping: it would theoretically allow players that don’t even have 6* champs yet to grind one out in the arenas, which is not what they are intended for. They could make the rank rewards a progression specific selector but I don’t think that’s palatable either because then they would have to field non-stop questions about how two different players can put in identical effort in identical content and get different rewards in a grinding specific mode. And they can’t allow 6* champs to be used in the arena to allow the 6* rank reward because then that would defeat the purpose for which the Trials arena exists in the first place: to be accessible to lower progress players. If you allow them on attack they appear on defense automatically, and they can’t change that without rewriting the mode.
We had our hands full just trying to make sure all the arenas didn’t have 12 million point milestones.
An arena buff is just not a pro player move.
Stop asking for one