I've think I've seen it all. Asking for comp for visual issues that lasted barely 3 hours and impacted nothing.
That would be silly if it were all there is.
But to be fair, there’s been a lot of game sloppiness enumerated across the several posts in this thread (and others).
I don’t think it merits anything big, but a little acknowledgment and apology wouldn’t be bad.
Dr. Zola
But it's not a reason for compensation. Guardian being invisible yes. A few of the other things on there sure. But missing shards for crystals that were technically still there shouldn't be on the list, more so because it was only a few hours and no one lost anything.
I've think I've seen it all. Asking for comp for visual issues that lasted barely 3 hours and impacted nothing.
That would be silly if it were all there is.
But to be fair, there’s been a lot of game sloppiness enumerated across the several posts in this thread (and others).
I don’t think it merits anything big, but a little acknowledgment and apology wouldn’t be bad.
Dr. Zola
But it's not a reason for compensation. Guardian being invisible yes. A few of the other things on there sure. But missing shards for crystals that were technically still there shouldn't be on the list, more so because it was only a few hours and no one lost anything.
Maybe not. There is always a ton of whining and compensation seeking when it comes to this game.
But if this thread does anything, it underscores the sense that things don’t seem quite right with the game. Simple things: in-game contacts & messages not working, contacts not scrolling, the inability to meet content release dates, visual bugs that come out of nowhere and that seem to persist, sometimes without acknowledgment.
I think a lot of of us didn’t realize how spoiled to have Miiike and Jax available. @KabamPinwheel is a one person wrecking crew who tries to respond to as much as humanly possible, but it’s difficult to be everywhere all the time on the forums. It also doesn’t help that there are so many channels to disseminate information about MCoC. So if issues are being addressed, I may never see it on the channel that I tend to go to for information.
Does all of this merit compensation? Honestly, there’s not a whole lot that would make a dent with my account. I’m not lacking for much at all, but I do think addressing the issues explicitly and head on by acknowledging there are some problems restores a little bit of confidence.
I've think I've seen it all. Asking for comp for visual issues that lasted barely 3 hours and impacted nothing.
Crazy that you pick one point out of a dozen plus to try and make it seem like this post is ridiculous.
Yes? Because it shouldn't factor into any compensation.
And the other 13-14 points should factor into it. What is your point? You say that one point shouldn’t fit in there? Ok? There are still plenty of other reasons for the players to receive something for having to deal with a truckload of bugs.
Compensation is for things lost. Temporary visual issues, for super event, missing units or crystals, or even the last point about incursion crystals aren't something that would ever warrant compensation. Especially the last thing.
When you're wanting to give feedback and you're wanting to get the most from that feedback and in a way a dev can digest it, leave the stuff that doesn't make an impact.
Give them the things that matter and what they need to know. Things that are actually actionable.
A couple other things are hard to compensate because it's not everyone like Bullseye and AI.
Could the post be refined? Sure. Those points you mentioned at the top? Hard to compensate for, I agree. That doesn’t change that 13 out of the 16 points mentioned in this thread have made the game frustrating and hard to play. Costing people time, revives, and sapping the fun out of the game. And if the players keep having to deal with a new host of bugs or delays in content (looking at you incursions) each update, then players will get more and more cynical with the game, leading to more threads like this one. The game should be a mutual transaction. Kabam makes good game, customer pays money on said game.
But you cherry-picking a few of the points mentioned in the thread that are not as compelling as the others, and using that as grounds for the post being ridiculous is insane to me. I would rather have a solid game than have to talk about whether to receive compensation or not. Yet, here we are.
Proper compensation is honestly long overdue. Here’s a list of the recent bugs that have gone uncompensated over the past few months (some of which were pulled from another thread, and some of which I added). Before you hate or rip this apart, at least read the ending.
- Guardian/Piggy cannot be seen on screen and Guardian Necro unplayable for some, wasting lots of revives. - Lots of champion bugs, Guillotine 2099 still bald in some matches, and Onslaught is still dark, left for weeks. - Serpent booting you out when you pull him/level him up. - Juggs unplayable for at least a week, sp2 literally whiffs. (Mine is r3 - Needed to use him for some higher level content and only had a few days to do so with him fixed. People plan out paths in advance.) - Spiral being unplayable for at least a week or two. - Nick Fury’s sp1 blocked midway making him a worse defensive threat. - Horrible lag with Bullseye, compensation however people used more revives than actually given back. (Should come in after the timer. Although, I was low on revives from this fight x2 and had to use units for revives for AOA that I had been saving. So now the compensation is going straight to overflow.) - Deathless She Hulk going Unstoppable for the rest of the fight when in the nodes it states when dashing back/first medium. (Burned a few revives because I had to learn how to play the fight bugged - never got fixed before the end of event) - Visual issues, including Units, battlechips etc completely gone, as well as alliance members “kicked” when they weren’t. - More visual issues - UI potentially bugged - daily super event is showing 13 steps at the moment - The AI has been so weird for longer than a few months (worst I’ve ever seen in the toad fight). AI will hold specials when they have debuffs on them, won’t throw specials for minutes, will hold block for minutes at a time, will hold specials and block while you have buffs on you, etc. If you need proof, just go watch Lags most recent rank up video (esp in the crossbones fight) - Not a bug, but the incursion 7 star crystals having a 90 day timer (is it 90 or 60 forgive me I forget) and still being 400k artifacts is a bit absurd. 350k would be a start and MAYBE a 30 day timer.
The list goes on. This is just recently. If I missed any please feel free to list them below. Just felt like I needed to be real for a second and justify the want/need for proper compensation across the player base that everyone has been experiencing. One great thing I will acknowledge is the adding back of sig stones and relic shards back to the BGs store for valiant players like myself who have yet to pull some of the 3 and 4 star relics. Thank you Kabam for that (although I do wish the limit I could buy was a tad bit higher - at least a whole crystal a week and at least a hundred 5 star sigs a week). And thank you again for having the team work so diligently on designing new EQ to make it interesting again. Again, this is just an honest post, not to cause an uproar but just honest and civil discussion on the matter.
If I made this post everyone would just think I’m complaining
We been addressing alot of concerns and the state of the game.
Was hoping for better eq and monthly rewards but here we are again. Even rich the man doesn’t even do total rewards for each month because there’s no point he says. So that’s perfect example
Atleast there’s gona be a big money sale next week right?
I've think I've seen it all. Asking for comp for visual issues that lasted barely 3 hours and impacted nothing.
I'm confused. Did your device for whatever reason not display the other 99% of the post or is this you cherrypicking an arbitrary reason to invalidate the many issues this game has had over the past few months.
The game has been both disappointing and frustrating lately. Every new update and content drop has something bugged or broken in it. As players, we are constantly having to wait for things to work as intended. Sometimes it takes hours to fix, sometimes weeks and other things are just left broken indefinitely. It’s at the point where I have been conditioned to expect all new content to have some kind of bug when it’s first released. So much so that I now wait for others to play it so I don’t get caught with a bug that takes weeks to rectify. That mentality is not healthy for the longevity of this game.
People spend a lot on this game, and with that comes an expectation for things to work as intended. Lately that has not been happening at all, so you get a lot of anger and resentment building in the community. I don’t even care about compensation at this point. I rather new content show up and work as intended than getting an apology package. I just want the game to work. Because it’s a great game when everything is working as intended.
Finally, communication is spotty at best. It’s never consistent and comes in waves. I understand that the community managers may not have clearance to answer stuff, but it feels like a ghost town here more often than not. Hopefully things turn around soon.
Beyond that though, just want to acknowledge I've got eyes on this thread. Can't really comment on the issues individually right now but I think this is a useful writeup and discussion worth having. Would just ask (and it has been so far it looks like) that things stay respectful both to each other and us, but also don't hold back (just say it constructively.) Appreciate y'all.
Please again @KabamPinwheel I beg you to pass to the game team that we cant swipe friends list or even click on profiles. Take a look
Beyond that though, just want to acknowledge I've got eyes on this thread. Can't really comment on the issues individually right now but I think this is a useful writeup and discussion worth having. Would just ask (and it has been so far it looks like) that things stay respectful both to each other and us, but also don't hold back (just say it constructively.) Appreciate y'all.
Please again @KabamPinwheel I beg you to pass to the game team that we cant swipe friends list or even click on profiles. Take a look
My biggest issue at the moment is that it's really risky for me to intercept atm. Besides the fact that the AI doesn't like to charge, even when they do and I'm sure I intercepted correctly, a lot of the time I whiff and get hit in the face instead.
My biggest issue at the moment is that it's really risky for me to intercept atm. Besides the fact that the AI doesn't like to charge, even when they do and I'm sure I intercepted correctly, a lot of the time I whiff and get hit in the face instead.
Hey you! I hardly see you on here much anymore. Happy to see you're still around.
I've think I've seen it all. Asking for comp for visual issues that lasted barely 3 hours and impacted nothing.
I'm confused. Did your device for whatever reason not display the other 99% of the post or is this you cherrypicking an arbitrary reason to invalidate the many issues this game has had over the past few months.
The game has been both disappointing and frustrating lately. Every new update and content drop has something bugged or broken in it. As players, we are constantly having to wait for things to work as intended. Sometimes it takes hours to fix, sometimes weeks and other things are just left broken indefinitely. It’s at the point where I have been conditioned to expect all new content to have some kind of bug when it’s first released. So much so that I now wait for others to play it so I don’t get caught with a bug that takes weeks to rectify. That mentality is not healthy for the longevity of this game.
People spend a lot on this game, and with that comes an expectation for things to work as intended. Lately that has not been happening at all, so you get a lot of anger and resentment building in the community. I don’t even care about compensation at this point. I rather new content show up and work as intended than getting an apology package. I just want the game to work. Because it’s a great game when everything is working as intended.
Finally, communication is spotty at best. It’s never consistent and comes in waves. I understand that the community managers may not have clearance to answer stuff, but it feels like a ghost town here more often than not. Hopefully things turn around soon.
Bugs are part of the game. Just like Battlegrounds or Alliance War or Arena only being a team of 3 or autoplay function or the sound effects, etc. It would not be MCOC without the bugs.
I've think I've seen it all. Asking for comp for visual issues that lasted barely 3 hours and impacted nothing.
I'm confused. Did your device for whatever reason not display the other 99% of the post or is this you cherrypicking an arbitrary reason to invalidate the many issues this game has had over the past few months.
Their device is made of gold by the way he/she speaks lmao, it’s like every bug happens to us except for Demonzfyre it seems like 💀
Bugs are part of the game. Just like Battlegrounds or Alliance War or Arena only being a team of 3 or autoplay function or the sound effects, etc. It would not be MCOC without the bugs.
Well, they're an unfortunate part of any live game such as this, and it's compounded by the fact that this game is an integration of a number of moving parts. I wouldn't necessarily say they're a part of the game mechanics or that they're always a given. It's just that there's a high likelihood for them. As for compensation, there's a difference between compensation for the effects of an issue, and a "Thank you for bearing with us." gesture. The first needs to be appropriate to the effects of the bugs, and not all bugs have a significant effect. Unfortunately, piling bugs up in a list does not increase their effects. As for the latter, no harm in asking.
Not a bug but I'm also trying to understand what Kabam is thinking when they give 10x 7* sig stones with 6* 4-5 gem for the glorious games showcase tech and science paths
Why not give catalysts instead of 6* gem so players can rank up 7* champions with the catalysts
4 million health pool Enchantress and 4 million health pool Dust that heats up your phone with the sandstorm
The first 2 mins is essentially a 100% damage protection node, each time you revive, you have to survive that first 2 mins again
I read in youtube comments from many players that they did not do the content bcos the rewards were measly and they are valiants
I did not do the tech and science path bcos I don't need a 6* 4-5 gem
Maybe a 7* 1-2 gem would have been better since 6* are becoming obselete in the near future
Beyond that though, just want to acknowledge I've got eyes on this thread. Can't really comment on the issues individually right now but I think this is a useful writeup and discussion worth having. Would just ask (and it has been so far it looks like) that things stay respectful both to each other and us, but also don't hold back (just say it constructively.) Appreciate y'all.
Please again @KabamPinwheel I beg you to pass to the game team that we cant swipe friends list or even click on profiles. Take a look
With this bug we can search for specific heroes (with Its Complicated or EQ Romance) on Mcoc Search, but not swipe or click to fight.
Proper compensation is honestly long overdue. Here’s a list of the recent bugs that have gone uncompensated over the past few months (some of which were pulled from another thread, and some of which I added). Before you hate or rip this apart, at least read the ending.
- Guardian/Piggy cannot be seen on screen and Guardian Necro unplayable for some, wasting lots of revives. - Lots of champion bugs, Guillotine 2099 still bald in some matches, and Onslaught is still dark, left for weeks. - Serpent booting you out when you pull him/level him up. - Juggs unplayable for at least a week, sp2 literally whiffs. (Mine is r3 - Needed to use him for some higher level content and only had a few days to do so with him fixed. People plan out paths in advance.) - Spiral being unplayable for at least a week or two. - Nick Fury’s sp1 blocked midway making him a worse defensive threat. - Horrible lag with Bullseye, compensation however people used more revives than actually given back. (Should come in after the timer. Although, I was low on revives from this fight x2 and had to use units for revives for AOA that I had been saving. So now the compensation is going straight to overflow.) - Deathless She Hulk going Unstoppable for the rest of the fight when in the nodes it states when dashing back/first medium. (Burned a few revives because I had to learn how to play the fight bugged - never got fixed before the end of event) - Visual issues, including Units, battlechips etc completely gone, as well as alliance members “kicked” when they weren’t. - More visual issues - UI potentially bugged - daily super event is showing 13 steps at the moment - The AI has been so weird for longer than a few months (worst I’ve ever seen in the toad fight). AI will hold specials when they have debuffs on them, won’t throw specials for minutes, will hold block for minutes at a time, will hold specials and block while you have buffs on you, etc. If you need proof, just go watch Lags most recent rank up video (esp in the crossbones fight) - Not a bug, but the incursion 7 star crystals having a 90 day timer (is it 90 or 60 forgive me I forget) and still being 400k artifacts is a bit absurd. 350k would be a start and MAYBE a 30 day timer.
The list goes on. This is just recently. If I missed any please feel free to list them below. Just felt like I needed to be real for a second and justify the want/need for proper compensation across the player base that everyone has been experiencing. One great thing I will acknowledge is the adding back of sig stones and relic shards back to the BGs store for valiant players like myself who have yet to pull some of the 3 and 4 star relics. Thank you Kabam for that (although I do wish the limit I could buy was a tad bit higher - at least a whole crystal a week and at least a hundred 5 star sigs a week). And thank you again for having the team work so diligently on designing new EQ to make it interesting again. Again, this is just an honest post, not to cause an uproar but just honest and civil discussion on the matter.
Totally agree. It's like Kabam is holding back on some serious acknowledgements and witholding comp while holding on to denial. There's so much going on right now that I don't even know if I want to invest more $$$ into the game anymore.
I want to add that Spiral was bugged for about a month. And there are recent reports of Ironheart's Sp 2 damage being bugged, and not what it should be when she has at least 20 debuffs on the opponent.
Also, champs randomly dashing forward when swiping backwards (without reverse control) or holding posistion, is still happening.
The AI's recovery time after getting knocked down by a special is so instant that it's on it's feet and attacking my champ before they recover from their special animation. There's a noticeable difference here that's been brought up by many players.
AI's refusal to throw specials when having MULTIPLE Power Stings (and other stings) on it is still unaddressed. I'm still encountering AI that holds block until Power Stings fall off. I'm not talking 2 or 3 Power Stings, I'm talking 8 or 9 of them. Like, how does it know it will receive damage if it uses it's special?
And add the bs sigil currency now needed to purchase items from the sigil store, when we used to the Sigil store to all of this and what do we have?
I have advocated for comp for a while now because of the constant issues
Beyond that though, just want to acknowledge I've got eyes on this thread. Can't really comment on the issues individually right now but I think this is a useful writeup and discussion worth having. Would just ask (and it has been so far it looks like) that things stay respectful both to each other and us, but also don't hold back (just say it constructively.) Appreciate y'all.
Can u make that an official thread only that trello board message link , everytime it's hard to find
Beyond that though, just want to acknowledge I've got eyes on this thread. Can't really comment on the issues individually right now but I think this is a useful writeup and discussion worth having. Would just ask (and it has been so far it looks like) that things stay respectful both to each other and us, but also don't hold back (just say it constructively.) Appreciate y'all.
Can u make that an official thread only that trello board message link , everytime it's hard to find
Yup I think thats something we can do. Im pretty sure the link in the old thread Miike made should be updated to the new one, but doesnt hurt to essentially re-pin the new one. I'll see about tossing that out there, maybe on Friday when I update it for this week!
I don't believe it just compensation we want.. what we want is a game which has fewer bugs.. yes u cannot have a 100% perfect build but please for God's sake just take a step back slow down on new things and focus on fixing what we have.. trust me if for next 2 months u won't give us any new champ and only fix what's broken we would take that as a big compensation..
Beyond that though, just want to acknowledge I've got eyes on this thread. Can't really comment on the issues individually right now but I think this is a useful writeup and discussion worth having. Would just ask (and it has been so far it looks like) that things stay respectful both to each other and us, but also don't hold back (just say it constructively.) Appreciate y'all.
Can u make that an official thread only that trello board message link , everytime it's hard to find
Yup I think thats something we can do. Im pretty sure the link in the old thread Miike made should be updated to the new one, but doesnt hurt to essentially re-pin the new one. I'll see about tossing that out there, maybe on Friday when I update it for this week!
As you entered here again I can suppose you saw the new comments.
Fix to the summoners list and click on profile to open to duel or anything can be done by a hotfix.
My biggest issue at the moment is that it's really risky for me to intercept atm. Besides the fact that the AI doesn't like to charge, even when they do and I'm sure I intercepted correctly, a lot of the time I whiff and get hit in the face instead.
Hey you! I hardly see you on here much anymore. Happy to see you're still around.
Still black screen sp3s for over a year now. Its just really annoying and doesnt seem to be being addressed given how long its been left like this? Its the worst in incursions when you cant skip it and have to sit through the black screen with no idea whats going on. When I throw the sp it can also be a blue screen instead. Not just the sp3 but fight openers like prof x is also black for me and the animation at fight win/loss as well. Any animation is just broken. Not needing comp over it just wondering if its ever getting fixed. Not seen any new champs sp3 in the past year
Still black screen sp3s for over a year now. Its just really annoying and doesnt seem to be being addressed given how long its been left like this? Its the worst in incursions when you cant skip it and have to sit through the black screen with no idea whats going on. When I throw the sp it can also be a blue screen instead. Not just the sp3 but fight openers like prof x is also black for me and the animation at fight win/loss as well. Any animation is just broken. Not needing comp over it just wondering if its ever getting fixed. Not seen any new champs sp3 in the past year
That has to be a device issue, I have been hearing about it but never experienced it.
Bugs are part of the game. Just like Battlegrounds or Alliance War or Arena only being a team of 3 or autoplay function or the sound effects, etc. It would not be MCOC without the bugs.
Well, they're an unfortunate part of any live game such as this, and it's compounded by the fact that this game is an integration of a number of moving parts. I wouldn't necessarily say they're a part of the game mechanics or that they're always a given. It's just that there's a high likelihood for them. As for compensation, there's a difference between compensation for the effects of an issue, and a "Thank you for bearing with us." gesture. The first needs to be appropriate to the effects of the bugs, and not all bugs have a significant effect. Unfortunately, piling bugs up in a list does not increase their effects. As for the latter, no harm in asking.
A "thank you for bearing with us"...(key word BEARING) is indicative of issue after issue after issue after issue after issue.
The fact that there is even a list of bugs is very telling. While it doesn't increase their effect, it IS an increasing problem.
Another bug is before entering the fight there’s a visual bug that makes everything darker and matte-like. Only champ it actually made look cool is Superior Iron Man
I'm not any kind of authority on anything but what I think would potentially be a good idea for kabam, specifically the mcoc branch of kabam is opening up how they hire people a little bit. Many positions are in person/hybrid Vancouver or California. Open some stuff up to remote work and get some programmers from the community who have been playing for a long time to take a look at stuff and help. Could be part time, could be full time. I'm sure there's people who are very knowledgeable in the tech field and in the game itself who would love to do that, would probably even do it for less pay, I know I would.
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But if this thread does anything, it underscores the sense that things don’t seem quite right with the game. Simple things: in-game contacts & messages not working, contacts not scrolling, the inability to meet content release dates, visual bugs that come out of nowhere and that seem to persist, sometimes without acknowledgment.
I think a lot of of us didn’t realize how spoiled to have Miiike and Jax available. @KabamPinwheel is a one person wrecking crew who tries to respond to as much as humanly possible, but it’s difficult to be everywhere all the time on the forums. It also doesn’t help that there are so many channels to disseminate information about MCoC. So if issues are being addressed, I may never see it on the channel that I tend to go to for information.
Does all of this merit compensation? Honestly, there’s not a whole lot that would make a dent with my account. I’m not lacking for much at all, but I do think addressing the issues explicitly and head on by acknowledging there are some problems restores a little bit of confidence.
Maybe that’s not important. Maybe it is.
Dr. Zola
But you cherry-picking a few of the points mentioned in the thread that are not as compelling as the others, and using that as grounds for the post being ridiculous is insane to me. I would rather have a solid game than have to talk about whether to receive compensation or not. Yet, here we are.
If I made this post everyone would just think I’m complaining
We been addressing alot of concerns and the state of the game.
Was hoping for better eq and monthly rewards but here we are again. Even rich the man doesn’t even do total rewards for each month because there’s no point he says. So that’s perfect example
Atleast there’s gona be a big money sale next week right?
but everyone just sees it as hating on kabam lol.
People spend a lot on this game, and with that comes an expectation for things to work as intended. Lately that has not been happening at all, so you get a lot of anger and resentment building in the community. I don’t even care about compensation at this point. I rather new content show up and work as intended than getting an apology package. I just want the game to work. Because it’s a great game when everything is working as intended.
Finally, communication is spotty at best. It’s never consistent and comes in waves. I understand that the community managers may not have clearance to answer stuff, but it feels like a ghost town here more often than not. Hopefully things turn around soon.
Please again @KabamPinwheel
I beg you to pass to the game team that we cant swipe friends list or even click on profiles.
Take a look
ofcourse he’s here AGAIN to defend kabam.
And today, incursions bugged.
As for compensation, there's a difference between compensation for the effects of an issue, and a "Thank you for bearing with us." gesture. The first needs to be appropriate to the effects of the bugs, and not all bugs have a significant effect. Unfortunately, piling bugs up in a list does not increase their effects. As for the latter, no harm in asking.
Why not give catalysts instead of 6* gem so players can rank up 7* champions with the catalysts
4 million health pool Enchantress and 4 million health pool Dust that heats up your phone with the sandstorm
The first 2 mins is essentially a 100% damage protection node, each time you revive, you have to survive that first 2 mins again
I read in youtube comments from many players that they did not do the content bcos the rewards were measly and they are valiants
I did not do the tech and science path bcos I don't need a 6* 4-5 gem
Maybe a 7* 1-2 gem would have been better since 6* are becoming obselete in the near future
Just a honest feedback
Lol
I want to add that Spiral was bugged for about a month. And there are recent reports of Ironheart's Sp 2 damage being bugged, and not what it should be when she has at least 20 debuffs on the opponent.
Also, champs randomly dashing forward when swiping backwards (without reverse control) or holding posistion, is still happening.
The AI's recovery time after getting knocked down by a special is so instant that it's on it's feet and attacking my champ before they recover from their special animation. There's a noticeable difference here that's been brought up by many players.
AI's refusal to throw specials when having MULTIPLE Power Stings (and other stings) on it is still unaddressed. I'm still encountering AI that holds block until Power Stings fall off. I'm not talking 2 or 3 Power Stings, I'm talking 8 or 9 of them. Like, how does it know it will receive damage if it uses it's special?
And add the bs sigil currency now needed to purchase items from the sigil store, when we used to the Sigil store to all of this and what do we have?
I have advocated for comp for a while now because of the constant issues
Fix to the summoners list and click on profile to open to duel or anything can be done by a hotfix.
Please
The fact that there is even a list of bugs is very telling. While it doesn't increase their effect, it IS an increasing problem.
Dude has 40 disagree’s on his comment here 😂
Yet the other day someone argued with me disagree ment nothing lol.
Demonzfyre must have record for the lost disagree on forum, maybe they can compensate a disagree compensation for him.
Thanks for kabam pinwheel for monitoring and watching the thread and seeing the majority of the people concerns for the game.
Open some stuff up to remote work and get some programmers from the community who have been playing for a long time to take a look at stuff and help. Could be part time, could be full time. I'm sure there's people who are very knowledgeable in the tech field and in the game itself who would love to do that, would probably even do it for less pay, I know I would.