I take it back, I’m complaining again about BG’s. Sue me.

Seyuoh · March 20

Genuinely, what data have you gathered that prompted you guys at Kabam to make this change?
By doing this you’re basically shoe horning people into having only the most simple and easy nukes in their decks.
You’re taking out the creativity aspect of deck building entirely, and you’re somehow adding even more RNG to the draft phase.
Whoever gets the most nuke champs throughout the draft, will just win no matter what.
Why would you revert a change to the points system, that mostly everyone liked and approved of?
Especially when this mode is already probably the most disliked part of the entire game.
Genuinely Kabam, this has to be one of the most tone deaf decisions I’ve ever seen.
I love this game and the mode mostly, but this is honestly just making me not want to play the mode at all.

PT_99 · March 20

Anyone who points out BG flaws is my friend 🙏

Average_Desi · March 20

Agreed. The current scoring system is better than this.

BringPopcorn · March 20

I am going to put on a tinfoil hat and say that its the only way to prevent lower and smaller deck people get crushed over and over and allow them to get that plume.

Toproller89 · March 20

I like the change, it seems to discourage pausing, and helps those who use suicide masteries a little bit by encouraging quick kills

Seyuoh · March 20

Toproller89 said:
I like the change, it seems to discourage pausing, and helps those who use suicide masteries a little bit by encouraging quick kills

It also encourages people to play all one specific way. Nuketown central. You want to have fun testing out a new champ? Guess what, unless that new champ can do fights in 30-45 seconds- you’ll lose every round.
I’m calling it now, you’ll see almost nothing but Kate, Hulkling, CGR, Juggs, and a few others.
Being a smart and strategic player, will mean almost nothing- if your opponent just has nothing but cheesy nuke champs drafted.
Even if you last round trap them, because 10-15 seconds could now mean the difference between a win and a loss- pretty much regardless of how much health either of you do or don’t lose. This is not a healthy change for the mode, objectively speaking.

Average_Desi · March 20

Toproller89 said:
I like the change, it seems to discourage pausing, and helps those who use suicide masteries a little bit by encouraging quick kills

It discourages champs that are effective matchups but a bit on the slower side. Why counter power gain with petrify or power control when you can just push them to sp3 and smash? Health lost can be made up with the point change

PT_99 · March 20

Good thing that change is only for this season,
Or that's what Kebem said in announcement.

Seyuoh · March 20

PT_99 said:
Good thing that change is only for this season,
Or that's what Kebem said in announcement.

If they decide to keep it around, mark my words- the mode will sink like a ship with a cannonball sized hole in it.
The whole reason this change was originally made, was because BG’s was literally nothing but the absolute best players- even in the victory track every match was a sweat fest.
It was so bad, most people decided to just start throwing to farm points. Even then, current celestial tier players now- were farming people in Gold-Plat.
If this change stays around, the mode will die.

Usagicassidy · March 20

Ah yes, lets make changes to a BG season that make it more annoying and less fun during a time everyone HAS to play to the end if they want a Phoenix.

startropics · March 20

RIP mister sinister on attack lol

hopefully it's not permanent cause it makes everything more nukey, stressful, and really changes the BG landscape.

ItsClobberinTime · March 20

Probably just catering to the whales in a subtle way since this change basically makes it so skill matters less and roster matters more, the faster the attacker the better. Only possible explanation cause nobody ever complained about the scoring system, zero.

BringPopcorn · March 20

Call me crazy but this should have been addressed in the Livestream...

Darthbane3141 · March 20

BringPopcorn said:
Call me crazy but this should have been addressed in the Livestream...

They didn't have enough time. They had to add their mandatory 45 minutes of useless yapping instead of giving real information about the game.

BigBlueOx · March 20

BringPopcorn said:
Call me crazy but this should have been addressed in the Livestream...

It was after the rewards update

BringPopcorn · March 20

BigBlueOx said:

BringPopcorn said:
Call me crazy but this should have been addressed in the Livestream...
It was after the rewards update

Dang I must have missed it when I switched to QVC, they were selling this Katana sets.

DNA3000 · March 20

Seyuoh said:

Toproller89 said:
I like the change, it seems to discourage pausing, and helps those who use suicide masteries a little bit by encouraging quick kills
It also encourages people to play all one specific way. Nuketown central. You want to have fun testing out a new champ? Guess what, unless that new champ can do fights in 30-45 seconds- you’ll lose every round.
I’m calling it now, you’ll see almost nothing but Kate, Hulkling, CGR, Juggs, and a few others.
Being a smart and strategic player, will mean almost nothing- if your opponent just has nothing but cheesy nuke champs drafted.
Even if you last round trap them, because 10-15 seconds could now mean the difference between a win and a loss- pretty much regardless of how much health either of you do or don’t lose. This is not a healthy change for the mode, objectively speaking.

Under the previous scoring system, 15 seconds was worth 1250 points. Under the new scoring system, 15 seconds will now be worth 1875 points, a difference of 625 points.

That doesn't seem high enough to warrant people claiming this will doom the game mode.

Average_Desi · March 20

DNA3000 said:

Seyuoh said:

Toproller89 said:
I like the change, it seems to discourage pausing, and helps those who use suicide masteries a little bit by encouraging quick kills
It also encourages people to play all one specific way. Nuketown central. You want to have fun testing out a new champ? Guess what, unless that new champ can do fights in 30-45 seconds- you’ll lose every round.
I’m calling it now, you’ll see almost nothing but Kate, Hulkling, CGR, Juggs, and a few others.
Being a smart and strategic player, will mean almost nothing- if your opponent just has nothing but cheesy nuke champs drafted.
Even if you last round trap them, because 10-15 seconds could now mean the difference between a win and a loss- pretty much regardless of how much health either of you do or don’t lose. This is not a healthy change for the mode, objectively speaking.
Under the previous scoring system, 15 seconds was worth 1250 points. Under the new scoring system, 15 seconds will now be worth 1875 points, a difference of 625 points.

That doesn't seem high enough to warrant people claiming this will doom the game mode.

I like to think of it as 1%. Every second you lag behind the opponent, you lose 1% health.

Before , if I lost 10% health and finished the fight before the opponent, then after 10 seconds, if they still hadn't completed the fight, I knew I won.

Tangent, but yeah.

I don't think it spells doom, but it dislike it .

TotemCorruption · March 20

I don't mind it.
I was already prone to nuking defenders while losing a bunch of health.
So this rewards my lack of skill I guess.

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Seyuoh · March 20

DNA3000 said:

Seyuoh said:

Toproller89 said:
I like the change, it seems to discourage pausing, and helps those who use suicide masteries a little bit by encouraging quick kills
It also encourages people to play all one specific way. Nuketown central. You want to have fun testing out a new champ? Guess what, unless that new champ can do fights in 30-45 seconds- you’ll lose every round.
I’m calling it now, you’ll see almost nothing but Kate, Hulkling, CGR, Juggs, and a few others.
Being a smart and strategic player, will mean almost nothing- if your opponent just has nothing but cheesy nuke champs drafted.
Even if you last round trap them, because 10-15 seconds could now mean the difference between a win and a loss- pretty much regardless of how much health either of you do or don’t lose. This is not a healthy change for the mode, objectively speaking.
Under the previous scoring system, 15 seconds was worth 1250 points. Under the new scoring system, 15 seconds will now be worth 1875 points, a difference of 625 points.

That doesn't seem high enough to warrant people claiming this will doom the game mode.

While I do see your point, and agree to an extent- 625 points is huge when you’re at those higher level games; where any possible mistake loses you the round.
Now, whenever that round loss would’ve happened before due to whoever messed up and who didn’t- it will now be determined by whoever does it the fastest. Get ready for a lot of your typical BG grinders to post videos all season long, about how much they hate this change.
Then brace yourself for the people who stay hardstuck in Gamma-Arcane, to skyrocket up to at least Quantum 3.
As I always have when I see a post from you DNA, I respect where you’re coming from- but I still standby what I said.
This is a bad change for the mode, objectively speaking.

Seyuoh · March 20

TotemCorruption said:
I don't mind it.
I was already prone to nuking defenders while losing a bunch of health.
So this rewards my lack of skill I guess.

I’m curious to hear your perspective then, do you like the fact that it will feel easier to win more matches- in order to get the plume needed for Phoenix?
Or do you think it should be a bit more difficult, and that she should be more of a trophy champ?
I’m eager to hear your thoughts, from what you just commented.

TotemCorruption · March 20

Seyuoh said:

TotemCorruption said:
I don't mind it.
I was already prone to nuking defenders while losing a bunch of health.
So this rewards my lack of skill I guess.

I’m curious to hear your perspective then, do you like the fact that it will feel easier to win more matches- in order to get the plume needed for Phoenix?
Or do you think it should be a bit more difficult, and that she should be more of a trophy champ?
I’m eager to hear your thoughts, from what you just commented.

I don't really care about Phoenix, so I haven't looked into what it takes to get her...
Anyway, I agree that they should reward less points for time and more points for remaining health, as that's more indicative of playing with skill...
Some of us lack skill, so this might be slightly beneficial.
It's not going to push me into Celestial or anything, and I don't think the mode will die, that seems alarmist.
It's just another change, everything changes, new nodes, new rules, new champs....
Each one of us has to decide whether we want to keep playing or if it's no longer fun....

TotemCorruption · March 20

DNA3000 said:

Seyuoh said:

Toproller89 said:
I like the change, it seems to discourage pausing, and helps those who use suicide masteries a little bit by encouraging quick kills
It also encourages people to play all one specific way. Nuketown central. You want to have fun testing out a new champ? Guess what, unless that new champ can do fights in 30-45 seconds- you’ll lose every round.
I’m calling it now, you’ll see almost nothing but Kate, Hulkling, CGR, Juggs, and a few others.
Being a smart and strategic player, will mean almost nothing- if your opponent just has nothing but cheesy nuke champs drafted.
Even if you last round trap them, because 10-15 seconds could now mean the difference between a win and a loss- pretty much regardless of how much health either of you do or don’t lose. This is not a healthy change for the mode, objectively speaking.
Under the previous scoring system, 15 seconds was worth 1250 points. Under the new scoring system, 15 seconds will now be worth 1875 points, a difference of 625 points.

That doesn't seem high enough to warrant people claiming this will doom the game mode.

Curious if this change might making running Suicides viable in BG?

CesarSV7 · March 20

Seyuoh said:

Genuinely, what data have you gathered that prompted you guys at Kabam to make this change?
By doing this you’re basically shoe horning people into having only the most simple and easy nukes in their decks.
You’re taking out the creativity aspect of deck building entirely, and you’re somehow adding even more RNG to the draft phase.
Whoever gets the most nuke champs throughout the draft, will just win no matter what.
Why would you revert a change to the points system, that mostly everyone liked and approved of?
Especially when this mode is already probably the most disliked part of the entire game.
Genuinely Kabam, this has to be one of the most tone deaf decisions I’ve ever seen.
I love this game and the mode mostly, but this is honestly just making me not want to play the mode at all.

Agreed. It feels like they are simply playing with the point system to create some kind of "new" and "fun" experience to the game mode while they actually deliver a reward update.

This change is huge, speed will be the overall go too during the draft process without even caring about finishing 100% health or utility champs that much.

I am not daubting it can be kinda fun and exciting for lower tiers; but what about higher tiers? Most nuke metas are for the most part not even welcomed. Now we're talking about nuking point systems regardless the meta.

CesarSV7 · March 21

Toproller89 said:
I like the change, it seems to discourage pausing, and helps those who use suicide masteries a little bit by encouraging quick kills

It discourages pausing at the cost of loading times affecting players even more.

The only way we can somehow play with suicides viably is if we have a mastery setup for defenders and another one for attackers, otherwise your defenders are going to get nuked even faster.

Jack2634 · March 21

In the past, this used to be our scoring system. Since kabam reduce the time attack points to 10000, i barely saw any complains from the playerbase, as we can all agree it was a right move. It is just questionable, why did kabam revert it? This is not the buffs they promised dammit

Average_Desi · March 21

TotemCorruption said:

DNA3000 said:

Seyuoh said:

Toproller89 said:
I like the change, it seems to discourage pausing, and helps those who use suicide masteries a little bit by encouraging quick kills
It also encourages people to play all one specific way. Nuketown central. You want to have fun testing out a new champ? Guess what, unless that new champ can do fights in 30-45 seconds- you’ll lose every round.
I’m calling it now, you’ll see almost nothing but Kate, Hulkling, CGR, Juggs, and a few others.
Being a smart and strategic player, will mean almost nothing- if your opponent just has nothing but cheesy nuke champs drafted.
Even if you last round trap them, because 10-15 seconds could now mean the difference between a win and a loss- pretty much regardless of how much health either of you do or don’t lose. This is not a healthy change for the mode, objectively speaking.
Under the previous scoring system, 15 seconds was worth 1250 points. Under the new scoring system, 15 seconds will now be worth 1875 points, a difference of 625 points.

That doesn't seem high enough to warrant people claiming this will doom the game mode.
Curious if this change might making running Suicides viable in BG?

Originally,there used to be players who ran suicides in BG. Now they're non existent

Alone13 · March 21

And loding time is counted towards Fight time

klobberintyme · March 21

Alone13 said:
And loding time is counted towards Fight time

Pro tip: hide your email on your profile page before someone uses it to reset your game password or something

Alone13 · March 21

klobberintyme said:

Alone13 said:
And loding time is counted towards Fight time
Pro tip: hide your email on your profile page before someone uses it to reset your game password or something

See now

SummonerNR · March 21

@Alone13 , Klobberin meant just your EMAIL (to make private), not your entire profile. Those are 2 different settings available (right under each other).

If it's totally private, wouldn’t be able to see prior help requests/posts/ etc, or send you direct msg replies.

I take it back, I’m complaining again about BG’s. Sue me.

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