12.0 was huuuge, whatever this is, is negligible in comparison. I have been around since year 2 and have seen all the shenanigans and changes and retrogression. Idk, I'm cautiously optimistic about anything with a lasting effect... Given the history!
I am skeptical that the content creator revolt will change anything that improves casual player satisfaction with the game. If the squeaky wheel gets what it wants, it will simply result in more for the privileged class of players. This distinction was created years ago, and any effort to modify it will spark controversy. There is no reason to perpetuate an egalitarian farce.
Giving free-to-play (F2P) players free champions is great, but the ability to close the gap will not come with freebies. I would like to suggest finding a way to help these players get more enjoyment from the game without reducing the fun that others get from the ridiculous challenges that are harder and harder for those who struggle with "endgame content."
The contest rulers are vested in fleecing us for all the money they can get from us. We can reject this as we wish, but we have seen how this will work out. The spenders will win, and the contest has clearly set this incentive structure. They will not reverse this. The weekly 10k unit effort to sell a petty champion must work, or would they regularly offer it? Can the contest and its rulers survive without the spenders? Netmarble's valuation is down the past 12 m and much lower over the past 3yrs. Will the overlords allow losses even with improved customer sentiment?
I remember 12.0 was just before they released Archangel, Psylocke and Iceman.
And just before I awakened my OG Thor before doing Realm.
Man, my first 4* AG was cosmic, and I sat on it for EVER months waiting on Thor ... fortunately I finally got him almost a month AFTER the NERF so I didn't waste the resource ... and soon after got lucky to pull 4* Hyperion so the AG didn't go to waste!.
It’s easy to boycott when there nothing to buy. When spring cleaning rolls around next month, I predict people will jump ship. 🤷🏽♂️
Couldn’t agree more. A true boycott would last past the spring cleaning deals. Even if Kabam does update some things, boycott should last till everything is updated, like event quests and side quests. YouTubers should care about that content just as much as battlegrounds.
It’s easy to boycott when there nothing to buy. When spring cleaning rolls around next month, I predict people will jump ship. 🤷🏽♂️
We'll see, last year's spring cleaning deals look pretty bad when I pulled them up the other day; and I don't mean because of progression inflation, they just weren't good deals even based on what was valuable at the time.
Not that this Bastion deal was good, but I would rather spend $500 and get the 16,000 or whatever units (Namor and Odin and bonuses), the Valiant deal for 40 T6CC, and a guaranteed 7* Bastion, as opposed to the spring deals of RNG crystals and rank-up gems...
12.0 boycott wasn't on the same level as this one, if you were here for it you'd know.
It absolutely freakin was, I even remember the memes, bro this had tons of people losing their minds
You weren't here, you joined the forums in 2023 lol it wasn't on the same level as this one where the devs not only were forced to give us an answer the same day, they even reverted the scoring system change. 12.0 was a dumpsterfire for sure but not on this level.
12.0 was more vocal. Also, that was on the old forums. YouTube content creators weren't as prominent and out spoken but the forums community and twitter were. The fact that everyone can remember 12.0 and hardly remember the other " boycotts" is a sign. You only have one or two threads on this.
Back then, it was all anyone could talk about. It's barely being talked about right now here in the forums. So they aren't the same. 12.0 changed the fundamentals of the game. This is just boycotting for not liking some things in the game.
It may have been more vocal on forums and Twitter but it didn't bring together all ccs like this did, the only one boycotting the whole thing was Seatin as far as I can remember. Also, there were more than two threads on this and all of them had a good amount of replies with one of them having page after page full of rage, and the reason the threads stopped is because we already got a reply from Kabam the same day and they reverted the scoring system before it even went live, none of this happened with the 12.0 boycott back then I don't even remember them acknowledging anything they just ignored everyone.
Again I'm not saying it wasn't a big deal nor am I claiming the changes were insignificant, I'm just saying that one boycott didn't bring together literally every single relevant cc the way this just did.
Your memory is terrible this boycott was nothing compared to 12.0. The boycott back then was far more organized. It was even covered by online gaming media websites
Kabam learned their lesson from the 12.0 boycott that’s why they were quick to respond. By addressing BGs and Nightmare Raids concerns Kabam placates the CCs and stops the boycott from gaining the traction the 12.0 boycott had.
12.0 boycott wasn't on the same level as this one, if you were here for it you'd know.
It absolutely freakin was, I even remember the memes, bro this had tons of people losing their minds
You weren't here, you joined the forums in 2023 lol it wasn't on the same level as this one where the devs not only were forced to give us an answer the same day, they even reverted the scoring system change. 12.0 was a dumpsterfire for sure but not on this level.
12.0 was more vocal. Also, that was on the old forums. YouTube content creators weren't as prominent and out spoken but the forums community and twitter were. The fact that everyone can remember 12.0 and hardly remember the other " boycotts" is a sign. You only have one or two threads on this.
Back then, it was all anyone could talk about. It's barely being talked about right now here in the forums. So they aren't the same. 12.0 changed the fundamentals of the game. This is just boycotting for not liking some things in the game.
It may have been more vocal on forums and Twitter but it didn't bring together all ccs like this did, the only one boycotting the whole thing was Seatin as far as I can remember. Also, there were more than two threads on this and all of them had a good amount of replies with one of them having page after page full of rage, and the reason the threads stopped is because we already got a reply from Kabam the same day and they reverted the scoring system before it even went live, none of this happened with the 12.0 boycott back then I don't even remember them acknowledging anything they just ignored everyone.
Again I'm not saying it wasn't a big deal nor am I claiming the changes were insignificant, I'm just saying that one boycott didn't bring together literally every single relevant cc the way this just did.
Your memory is terrible this boycott was nothing compared to 12.0. The boycott back then was far more organized. It was even covered by online gaming media websites
Kabam learned their lesson from the 12.0 boycott that’s why they were quick to respond. By addressing BGs and Nightmare Raids concerns Kabam placates the CCs and stops the boycott from gaining the traction the 12.0 boycott had.
The 12.0 boycott was (to simplify a bit) an alliance-driven boycott, although there were a number of content creators who weighed in. I would say it was much more organized, such as it was, than the current situation, in part because they had a very specific focus, namely the 12.0 update. The content creators coming forward now are all complaining about a different set of overlapping concerns that have been brewing for a while, without what I would say would be a singular specific actionable focus.
You could argue that the content creators are more out in front now than back then, but I believe that's simply a reflection of the fact that the content creators are a larger community force now than back then compared to alliances. When was the last time anyone heard about a top 100 or top 1000 alliance anything? The top alliances have less overall influence on the community at large. You could even argue that it was the 12.0 boycott that was the beginning of the end of top alliance influence, because while they made a lot of noise, it wasn't actually the case that the majority of the community actually felt they represented their interests, in much the same way not everyone feels the content creators as a group represent their interests.
Whatever else I think about it, the 12.0 affair was an organized, focused, fairly widely recognized action. What's happening now is more of a crystallization of issues that have been floating around for a while, with the content creators as nucleation sites for that crystallization. The content creators are not acting in a unified way, because I believe that's not their intent. Their intent is to express their own independent views, and choosing to add their own voices to the current ongoing discussion.
12.0 boycott wasn't on the same level as this one, if you were here for it you'd know.
It absolutely freakin was, I even remember the memes, bro this had tons of people losing their minds
You weren't here, you joined the forums in 2023 lol it wasn't on the same level as this one where the devs not only were forced to give us an answer the same day, they even reverted the scoring system change. 12.0 was a dumpsterfire for sure but not on this level.
12.0 was more vocal. Also, that was on the old forums. YouTube content creators weren't as prominent and out spoken but the forums community and twitter were. The fact that everyone can remember 12.0 and hardly remember the other " boycotts" is a sign. You only have one or two threads on this.
Back then, it was all anyone could talk about. It's barely being talked about right now here in the forums. So they aren't the same. 12.0 changed the fundamentals of the game. This is just boycotting for not liking some things in the game.
It may have been more vocal on forums and Twitter but it didn't bring together all ccs like this did, the only one boycotting the whole thing was Seatin as far as I can remember. Also, there were more than two threads on this and all of them had a good amount of replies with one of them having page after page full of rage, and the reason the threads stopped is because we already got a reply from Kabam the same day and they reverted the scoring system before it even went live, none of this happened with the 12.0 boycott back then I don't even remember them acknowledging anything they just ignored everyone.
Again I'm not saying it wasn't a big deal nor am I claiming the changes were insignificant, I'm just saying that one boycott didn't bring together literally every single relevant cc the way this just did.
Your memory is terrible this boycott was nothing compared to 12.0. The boycott back then was far more organized. It was even covered by online gaming media websites
Kabam learned their lesson from the 12.0 boycott that’s why they were quick to respond. By addressing BGs and Nightmare Raids concerns Kabam placates the CCs and stops the boycott from gaining the traction the 12.0 boycott had.
And all of those are fair points but the fact still stands that back then that boycott achieved nothing, wasn't even acknowledged by Kabam, and that is the only reason I'm putting this one above that one because this one was actually successful. Sure not much could've been done back then even if the boycott was successful but again, nothing was even acknowledged, just straight up ignored.
Furthermore, if you actually read my comment, I stated that 12.0 boycott didn't bring so many relevant ccs together all at the same time, which is a fact. Maybe due to the fact the game wasn't popular back then sure, but regardless of the reason it is a fact, there weren't this many ccs making videos about it at the same time.
12.0 boycott wasn't on the same level as this one, if you were here for it you'd know.
It absolutely freakin was, I even remember the memes, bro this had tons of people losing their minds
You weren't here, you joined the forums in 2023 lol it wasn't on the same level as this one where the devs not only were forced to give us an answer the same day, they even reverted the scoring system change. 12.0 was a dumpsterfire for sure but not on this level.
12.0 was more vocal. Also, that was on the old forums. YouTube content creators weren't as prominent and out spoken but the forums community and twitter were. The fact that everyone can remember 12.0 and hardly remember the other " boycotts" is a sign. You only have one or two threads on this.
Back then, it was all anyone could talk about. It's barely being talked about right now here in the forums. So they aren't the same. 12.0 changed the fundamentals of the game. This is just boycotting for not liking some things in the game.
It may have been more vocal on forums and Twitter but it didn't bring together all ccs like this did, the only one boycotting the whole thing was Seatin as far as I can remember. Also, there were more than two threads on this and all of them had a good amount of replies with one of them having page after page full of rage, and the reason the threads stopped is because we already got a reply from Kabam the same day and they reverted the scoring system before it even went live, none of this happened with the 12.0 boycott back then I don't even remember them acknowledging anything they just ignored everyone.
Again I'm not saying it wasn't a big deal nor am I claiming the changes were insignificant, I'm just saying that one boycott didn't bring together literally every single relevant cc the way this just did.
Your memory is terrible this boycott was nothing compared to 12.0. The boycott back then was far more organized. It was even covered by online gaming media websites
Kabam learned their lesson from the 12.0 boycott that’s why they were quick to respond. By addressing BGs and Nightmare Raids concerns Kabam placates the CCs and stops the boycott from gaining the traction the 12.0 boycott had.
And all of those are fair points but the fact still stands that back then that boycott achieved nothing, wasn't even acknowledged by Kabam, and that is the only reason I'm putting this one above that one because this one was actually successful. Sure not much could've been done back then even if the boycott was successful but again, nothing was even acknowledged, just straight up ignored.
Furthermore, if you actually read my comment, I stated that 12.0 boycott didn't bring so many relevant ccs together all at the same time, which is a fact. Maybe due to the fact the game wasn't popular back then sure, but regardless of the reason it is a fact, there weren't this many ccs making videos about it at the same time.
What are you talking about? The Boycott achieved its goal a number of bugs were fixed, Kabam delayed changing the game mechanics to allow for players to test it first, the summoner beta program was created as a result of the boycott which also led to the creation of the content creator program.
You keep talking about CCs but the content creator program wasn’t even a thing back then so again of course it would have less YouTuber support. Most of the CCs that were backing this boycott weren’t even around for 12.0. It’s a terrible metric for comparison. The compensation for 12.0 looks like peanuts compared to today’s game economy but it was unheard of at the time just like the current compensation package.
Finally 12.0 boycott gets the win because it forced Kabam to address issues that affected a wider range of the player base thus more players benefitted from that boycott than this one. By Kabam’s own admission bgs and nightmare raids only affect the top of the player base. The larger players base gets no resolution and no compensation for the issues that they care about rewards, game economy, bugs, lag and input issues. What did this boycott accomplish? a nice compensation for the top 10% and improvements to 2 game modes that’s mostly only cared about by the top 10%.
How does this make it better for 90% of players. Where are the bug fixes, changes to the reward structure that currently furthers the gap between ftp and whales, update to monthly quest and arenas, etc. I’ll take the free stuff but I don’t consider this boycott a win
12.0 boycott wasn't on the same level as this one, if you were here for it you'd know.
It absolutely freakin was, I even remember the memes, bro this had tons of people losing their minds
You weren't here, you joined the forums in 2023 lol it wasn't on the same level as this one where the devs not only were forced to give us an answer the same day, they even reverted the scoring system change. 12.0 was a dumpsterfire for sure but not on this level.
12.0 was more vocal. Also, that was on the old forums. YouTube content creators weren't as prominent and out spoken but the forums community and twitter were. The fact that everyone can remember 12.0 and hardly remember the other " boycotts" is a sign. You only have one or two threads on this.
Back then, it was all anyone could talk about. It's barely being talked about right now here in the forums. So they aren't the same. 12.0 changed the fundamentals of the game. This is just boycotting for not liking some things in the game.
It may have been more vocal on forums and Twitter but it didn't bring together all ccs like this did, the only one boycotting the whole thing was Seatin as far as I can remember. Also, there were more than two threads on this and all of them had a good amount of replies with one of them having page after page full of rage, and the reason the threads stopped is because we already got a reply from Kabam the same day and they reverted the scoring system before it even went live, none of this happened with the 12.0 boycott back then I don't even remember them acknowledging anything they just ignored everyone.
Again I'm not saying it wasn't a big deal nor am I claiming the changes were insignificant, I'm just saying that one boycott didn't bring together literally every single relevant cc the way this just did.
Your memory is terrible this boycott was nothing compared to 12.0. The boycott back then was far more organized. It was even covered by online gaming media websites
Kabam learned their lesson from the 12.0 boycott that’s why they were quick to respond. By addressing BGs and Nightmare Raids concerns Kabam placates the CCs and stops the boycott from gaining the traction the 12.0 boycott had.
And all of those are fair points but the fact still stands that back then that boycott achieved nothing, wasn't even acknowledged by Kabam, and that is the only reason I'm putting this one above that one because this one was actually successful. Sure not much could've been done back then even if the boycott was successful but again, nothing was even acknowledged, just straight up ignored.
Furthermore, if you actually read my comment, I stated that 12.0 boycott didn't bring so many relevant ccs together all at the same time, which is a fact. Maybe due to the fact the game wasn't popular back then sure, but regardless of the reason it is a fact, there weren't this many ccs making videos about it at the same time.
What are you talking about? The Boycott achieved its goal a number of bugs were fixed, Kabam delayed changing the game mechanics to allow for players to test it first, the summoner beta program was created as a result of the boycott which also led to the creation of the content creator program.
You keep talking about CCs but the content creator program wasn’t even a thing back then so again of course it would have less YouTuber support. Most of the CCs that were backing this boycott weren’t even around for 12.0. It’s a terrible metric for comparison. The compensation for 12.0 looks like peanuts compared to today’s game economy but it was unheard of at the time just like the current compensation package.
Finally 12.0 boycott gets the win because it forced Kabam to address issues that affected a wider range of the player base thus more players benefitted from that boycott than this one. By Kabam’s own admission bgs and nightmare raids only affect the top of the player base. The larger players base gets no resolution and no compensation for the issues that they care about rewards, game economy, bugs, lag and input issues. What did this boycott accomplish? a nice compensation for the top 10% and improvements to 2 game modes that’s mostly only cared about by the top 10%.
How does this make it better for 90% of players. Where are the bug fixes, changes to the reward structure that currently furthers the gap between ftp and whales, update to monthly quest and arenas, etc. I’ll take the free stuff but I don’t consider this boycott a win
Where exactly was it stated that all of those were created due to the 12.0 boycott? Or are you just assuming because of timing?
CC and CCP are two different things, CC stands for content creator, you don't need to be in the CCP to be a content creator. As for your other point yes that's literally what I said, most of the content creators weren't around back then.
Yes but this one got addressed not even 24 hours after it started, 12.0 was never addressed by Kabam in the same way this one was: full post detailing future plans pretty much the same day the boycott started.
What do you mean how did this boycott accomplish anything did you not read Crashed's full post? This is more than just a rewards buff for the top 10%, we just have to wait for the things he announced in that post to slowly start rolling in.
I remember the calls to boycott when 12.0 dropped and yet 2017 went on to be the most successful year for the game, I think this year will be no different.
History has a strange way of repeating itself.
Yeah, Boycott Doesn't work, For that reason You don't eat +2000 damage parries, lol
I remember the calls to boycott when 12.0 dropped and yet 2017 went on to be the most successful year for the game, I think this year will be no different.
History has a strange way of repeating itself.
Yeah, Boycott Doesn't work, For that reason You don't eat +2000 damage parries, lol
Damn I must be hungry, I read “damage parries” as “danish pastries” 🥐
12.0 boycott wasn't on the same level as this one, if you were here for it you'd know.
It absolutely freakin was, I even remember the memes, bro this had tons of people losing their minds
You weren't here, you joined the forums in 2023 lol it wasn't on the same level as this one where the devs not only were forced to give us an answer the same day, they even reverted the scoring system change. 12.0 was a dumpsterfire for sure but not on this level.
12.0 was more vocal. Also, that was on the old forums. YouTube content creators weren't as prominent and out spoken but the forums community and twitter were. The fact that everyone can remember 12.0 and hardly remember the other " boycotts" is a sign. You only have one or two threads on this.
Back then, it was all anyone could talk about. It's barely being talked about right now here in the forums. So they aren't the same. 12.0 changed the fundamentals of the game. This is just boycotting for not liking some things in the game.
It may have been more vocal on forums and Twitter but it didn't bring together all ccs like this did, the only one boycotting the whole thing was Seatin as far as I can remember. Also, there were more than two threads on this and all of them had a good amount of replies with one of them having page after page full of rage, and the reason the threads stopped is because we already got a reply from Kabam the same day and they reverted the scoring system before it even went live, none of this happened with the 12.0 boycott back then I don't even remember them acknowledging anything they just ignored everyone.
Again I'm not saying it wasn't a big deal nor am I claiming the changes were insignificant, I'm just saying that one boycott didn't bring together literally every single relevant cc the way this just did.
Your memory is terrible this boycott was nothing compared to 12.0. The boycott back then was far more organized. It was even covered by online gaming media websites
Kabam learned their lesson from the 12.0 boycott that’s why they were quick to respond. By addressing BGs and Nightmare Raids concerns Kabam placates the CCs and stops the boycott from gaining the traction the 12.0 boycott had.
And all of those are fair points but the fact still stands that back then that boycott achieved nothing, wasn't even acknowledged by Kabam, and that is the only reason I'm putting this one above that one because this one was actually successful. Sure not much could've been done back then even if the boycott was successful but again, nothing was even acknowledged, just straight up ignored.
Furthermore, if you actually read my comment, I stated that 12.0 boycott didn't bring so many relevant ccs together all at the same time, which is a fact. Maybe due to the fact the game wasn't popular back then sure, but regardless of the reason it is a fact, there weren't this many ccs making videos about it at the same time.
What are you talking about? The Boycott achieved its goal a number of bugs were fixed, Kabam delayed changing the game mechanics to allow for players to test it first, the summoner beta program was created as a result of the boycott which also led to the creation of the content creator program.
You keep talking about CCs but the content creator program wasn’t even a thing back then so again of course it would have less YouTuber support. Most of the CCs that were backing this boycott weren’t even around for 12.0. It’s a terrible metric for comparison. The compensation for 12.0 looks like peanuts compared to today’s game economy but it was unheard of at the time just like the current compensation package.
Finally 12.0 boycott gets the win because it forced Kabam to address issues that affected a wider range of the player base thus more players benefitted from that boycott than this one. By Kabam’s own admission bgs and nightmare raids only affect the top of the player base. The larger players base gets no resolution and no compensation for the issues that they care about rewards, game economy, bugs, lag and input issues. What did this boycott accomplish? a nice compensation for the top 10% and improvements to 2 game modes that’s mostly only cared about by the top 10%.
How does this make it better for 90% of players. Where are the bug fixes, changes to the reward structure that currently furthers the gap between ftp and whales, update to monthly quest and arenas, etc. I’ll take the free stuff but I don’t consider this boycott a win
Where exactly was it stated that all of those were created due to the 12.0 boycott? Or are you just assuming because of timing?
CC and CCP are two different things, CC stands for content creator, you don't need to be in the CCP to be a content creator. As for your other point yes that's literally what I said, most of the content creators weren't around back then.
Yes but this one got addressed not even 24 hours after it started, 12.0 was never addressed by Kabam in the same way this one was: full post detailing future plans pretty much the same day the boycott started.
What do you mean how did this boycott accomplish anything did you not read Crashed's full post? This is more than just a rewards buff for the top 10%, we just have to wait for the things he announced in that post to slowly start rolling in.
Again the response was faster because of the lessons Kabam learned from previous boycotts not solely because of the CCs. Kabam didn’t want to go through the 1 star review bomb thing again, they didn’t want the top 1000 alliances all banding together and stop spending again they acted quickly to prevent a true boycott from taking hold.
Again they only pledged to fix two game modes that the vast majority of the player base don’t participate in anyway. This was a dub for the elite players and alliances but a loss for the average player because they get nothing out of this and their main gripes still are going unaddressed.
i don't understand the boycott when the amount of issues surrounding basic functions of the game is quite embarrassing now. i can't even count the number of simple gameplay issues i continue to have playing this game. THAT is what people should stand as the foundation for any boycott. simply fixing the damn game first.
Again the response was faster because of the lessons Kabam learned from previous boycotts not solely because of the CCs. Kabam didn’t want to go through the 1 star review bomb thing again, they didn’t want the top 1000 alliances all banding together and stop spending again they acted quickly to prevent a true boycott from taking hold.
The response was faster because the problems being discussed are long term persistent issues, and there has been two-way conversations between the content creators and the developers about all of them for a while now, and Kabam had been working on all of them for quite some time already.
More specifically, the response was faster because Crashed decided to accelerate posting about BG ahead of schedule to publicly respond to the content creators and other public discussions going on. As the live game lead, I believe that was within his discretion to do so.
historically, community wide boycotts have never worked. individually yes, players vote with their wallets but generally, once a big deal comes out or we get compensation it all crumbles.
i'm not pushing for a boycott or anything but it's the same cycle every time: kabam messes up, apologizes, sends compensation, suddenly everything's rosey, and the core problems remain unchanged.
the dopamine high is too much and we cave every time. in 4 weeks i very much look forward to seeing how "amazing this game is...
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Giving free-to-play (F2P) players free champions is great, but the ability to close the gap will not come with freebies. I would like to suggest finding a way to help these players get more enjoyment from the game without reducing the fun that others get from the ridiculous challenges that are harder and harder for those who struggle with "endgame content."
The contest rulers are vested in fleecing us for all the money they can get from us. We can reject this as we wish, but we have seen how this will work out. The spenders will win, and the contest has clearly set this incentive structure. They will not reverse this. The weekly 10k unit effort to sell a petty champion must work, or would they regularly offer it? Can the contest and its rulers survive without the spenders? Netmarble's valuation is down the past 12 m and much lower over the past 3yrs. Will the overlords allow losses even with improved customer sentiment?
Not that this Bastion deal was good, but I would rather spend $500 and get the 16,000 or whatever units (Namor and Odin and bonuses), the Valiant deal for 40 T6CC, and a guaranteed 7* Bastion, as opposed to the spring deals of RNG crystals and rank-up gems...
So...
https://toucharcade.com/2017/03/09/players-upset-about-recent-marvel-contest-of-champions-changes-organize-boycottmcoc-movement/
https://www.pocketgamer.biz/why-marvel-contest-of-champions-top-players-are-threatening-to-walk-away/
Kabam learned their lesson from the 12.0 boycott that’s why they were quick to respond. By addressing BGs and Nightmare Raids concerns Kabam placates the CCs and stops the boycott from gaining the traction the 12.0 boycott had.
You could argue that the content creators are more out in front now than back then, but I believe that's simply a reflection of the fact that the content creators are a larger community force now than back then compared to alliances. When was the last time anyone heard about a top 100 or top 1000 alliance anything? The top alliances have less overall influence on the community at large. You could even argue that it was the 12.0 boycott that was the beginning of the end of top alliance influence, because while they made a lot of noise, it wasn't actually the case that the majority of the community actually felt they represented their interests, in much the same way not everyone feels the content creators as a group represent their interests.
Whatever else I think about it, the 12.0 affair was an organized, focused, fairly widely recognized action. What's happening now is more of a crystallization of issues that have been floating around for a while, with the content creators as nucleation sites for that crystallization. The content creators are not acting in a unified way, because I believe that's not their intent. Their intent is to express their own independent views, and choosing to add their own voices to the current ongoing discussion.
Furthermore, if you actually read my comment, I stated that 12.0 boycott didn't bring so many relevant ccs together all at the same time, which is a fact. Maybe due to the fact the game wasn't popular back then sure, but regardless of the reason it is a fact, there weren't this many ccs making videos about it at the same time.
You keep talking about CCs but the content creator program wasn’t even a thing back then so again of course it would have less YouTuber support. Most of the CCs that were backing this boycott weren’t even around for 12.0. It’s a terrible metric for comparison. The compensation for 12.0 looks like peanuts compared to today’s game economy but it was unheard of at the time just like the current compensation package.
Finally 12.0 boycott gets the win because it forced Kabam to address issues that affected a wider range of the player base thus more players benefitted from that boycott than this one. By Kabam’s own admission bgs and nightmare raids only affect the top of the player base. The larger players base gets no resolution and no compensation for the issues that they care about rewards, game economy, bugs, lag and input issues. What did this boycott accomplish? a nice compensation for the top 10% and improvements to 2 game modes that’s mostly only cared about by the top 10%.
How does this make it better for 90% of players. Where are the bug fixes, changes to the reward structure that currently furthers the gap between ftp and whales, update to monthly quest and arenas, etc. I’ll take the free stuff but I don’t consider this boycott a win
CC and CCP are two different things, CC stands for content creator, you don't need to be in the CCP to be a content creator. As for your other point yes that's literally what I said, most of the content creators weren't around back then.
Yes but this one got addressed not even 24 hours after it started, 12.0 was never addressed by Kabam in the same way this one was: full post detailing future plans pretty much the same day the boycott started.
What do you mean how did this boycott accomplish anything did you not read Crashed's full post? This is more than just a rewards buff for the top 10%, we just have to wait for the things he announced in that post to slowly start rolling in.
*Watches from afar*
Again they only pledged to fix two game modes that the vast majority of the player base don’t participate in anyway. This was a dub for the elite players and alliances but a loss for the average player because they get nothing out of this and their main gripes still are going unaddressed.
More specifically, the response was faster because Crashed decided to accelerate posting about BG ahead of schedule to publicly respond to the content creators and other public discussions going on. As the live game lead, I believe that was within his discretion to do so.
i'm not pushing for a boycott or anything but it's the same cycle every time: kabam messes up, apologizes, sends compensation, suddenly everything's rosey, and the core problems remain unchanged.
the dopamine high is too much and we cave every time. in 4 weeks i very much look forward to seeing how "amazing this game is...
some things never change