**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
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Up until October last year, I only had one decent 5* champ, that was my duped Storm, who I actually took up to rank 4 and never regretted it. Everything else was trash.
A spontaneous attempt at Blade's featured crystal completely transformed my account overnight when I got him, I also used the skill awakening gem that I'd gotten from 5.3 (I think it was). All of a sudden, with that pull, my luck changed and over the next few months I had a bunch of amazing pulls.
Before I got Blade, I contemplated awakening Black Panther with the skill gem. Imagine if I had, and how I would have felt when I pulled Blade.
What I'm saying is, you think it will never happen, but everyone's luck comes in eventually - it's a mathematical probability. When it does, you want to be ready. You want to have the gem to awaken them, the T2As to take them to rank 4, and you don't want to regret using those resources on a champ that is good but in no way game-changing.
So for me, rank 3, no awakening. Personally, if it was my roster, I'd lean towards Guillotine as her damage output is better, she's a sustainable champ with the life steal, plus the heal reversal on her SP2 is going to become more and more invaluable with the emergence of nodes like Masochism and regeneration champs such as Mephisto.
I hope this helps a little, all the best.
If you’re looking at doing harder content there’s really not much difference between a 5* at R3 and a 4* at 5/50. The R3 will have slightly more health and attack etc. but they’ll both have a challenger rating of 100 which (I think) means that their crit rate, block proficiency, perfect block etc. are identical.
In fact when I was doing MODOK’s lab I ended up dropping my R4 WS entirely as my 5/50 Gwenpool was more effective.
It sounds like your 5* roster has been cursed a bit, and I understand that. I’ve had some decent pulls, but every time it seems like I’m about to go on a hot streak, I get the inevitable Groot dupe or Iron Men or Magneto or VP or other T4b arena fodder champ who isn’t worth a T1a. It’s important not to rank or awaken out of desperation, but it’s also important to enjoy what is supposed to be a “game.”
I’ve also had a Skill AG since the 12.0 debacle. I haven’t used it on him—even though he’s the first and only skill 5* I’ve pulled. Not that I haven’t considered it, but I always thought I was bound to pull a second skill 5* who would benefit from it more (and by saying that, I’m sure I’ve now cursed myself with a run of NFDD and Karnak and Falcon pulls). Also, since the power drain is erratic, I didn’t think it would be that necessary.
So my advice: take him to R3, but don’t awaken. Good luck.
Dr. Zola
Thank you! I'm not the unluckiest with pulls, but I've had my bad pulls too. Lol I have IP, She-Hulk, Rhino, Cyclops, and Iron Fist as 5* pulls too. They aren't all good pulls!
Thanks for this; appreciate you taking the time.
Unfortunately, the Guillotine is unduped, so no lifesteal. Still useful in her own way, of course. I absolutely do not deny that she hits hard.
Thanks for the feedback. I have some options in the 4-star world -- think I have 85 now -- just slightly concerned about the future. Trying to weigh now and where we are going. Know 6-stars aren't here as of yet and I got stuff to do, but yeah. The resource allocation is a real debate for those of us who play more casually. Have to truly debate every resource allocation.
Thanks for taking the time -- what you're recommending is highly likely what I am going to do.
What you said about enjoying the game is true -- I have had the Skill gem for more than a year now. That doesn't mean I have to use it, of course. I certainly know that EMP Upgrade simply isn't a game changer, and other characters could truly benefit. But yeah. It's just been sitting there while Groot and Ant-Man and Colossus and HB and She-Hulk and Karnak are just gathering dust.
Thanks for your insight. I have a 5/50 Blade, so my need for him isn't as acute -- though yeah, I would totally R4 a 5-star Blade if I had one.
It's just...this game is bizarre. I have been here since the beginning, and the horrible luck some of us have with 5-stars is just...it's too bad. It's hard sometimes to see people with Voodoos AND awakened SLs AND GPs AND Spark...man.
I am not an elite player. Solidly above-average.
It's brutal, waiting for that one gamechanger -- I have a Skill gem and a Mutant gem, just waiting for me to catch one freaking break.
LOL I have a good, not great roster. From your post, it's probably a safe bet you have a bit more in your arsenal as well as more resources on a consistent basis, which is a credit to you. I never have overflowing T4s, though I do have a decent amount in each class at the moment.
Black Widow and OG DD would also be worthy if they were ever released as 5*, but everyone else can just wait for the dupe.
So I too have a 5* WS 3/45 undupped. Overall I enjoy playing with him because he is very straight forward. I used him while my higher end champs were in AQ/AW for 5.2.
Mainly wanted to say his Bleed/Incinerate did really well here in 5.2. I liked using his special 2 I feel I get more overall damage out of it. I do not know the exact numbers though, if he is one of your more primary 5*'s you probably know what to do better then I.
I personally would not use an awakening gem on him, I just feel like there will be better champs GP, Blade, or Crossbones ( I know many wouldn't use it on CB but I like his ability I find it very useful). I guess I can't really talk about his power drain... while I have a 4* he is unduped... and the 3* is only used in arena so it works well enough.
As far as 5* champs go, he’s below:
Blade
Gwenpool
Hawkeye
Elektra
Crossbones
Punisher (he’s a similar offensive champ but can at least be used on defense whereas ws cant)
Black panther
Thor rag (at least imo)
Karnak (at least imo)
Cwbp who can at least be used on defense
He’s better than falcon...so there’s that.
The 5* winter soldier is also worse than most of the above 4* champs. Also he’s worse than duped black widow.
Winter soldier basically hits kind of hard when his fury is up. And he can can cause bleed/incinerate on his specials. And his sig ability is basically pointless bc it’s so inconsistent.
If you have skill t4ccs in overflow, then r3 him. If not, pass
Here's the thing: I asked about Winter Soldier because that's the guy I have as a 5-star.
Your position is that he's trash. That's cool. That's your opinion. You're entitled to it. But that doesn't answer the question of if he is R3, can he help me in some moderate endgame content like 5.1/early 5.2, which is what I was asking.
You telling me that Blade, GP, Hawkeye, Elektra, etc., are better -- we already know this. Your post is exactly what no one needed here -- everybody here in this thread is experienced.
I can't play characters I don't have, man -- that's the point. And I wasn't asking about whether I should rank up four-stars vs. five-stars -- I can make that decision myself.
I literally asked how WS does as an R3. That's a specific question, which you did not answer.
Thanks for that -- I, too, find Crossbones' sig ability useful. Not sure that I'd awaken with the gem if I had him, for much of the same reasons as WS, but I agree that he is useful.
Great to know that someone else used an unduped R3 in 5.2. Extremely useful to know.
Totally agree -- the feedback on this has been truly valuable.
Again: Thanks to everyone who offered feedback. It really has made a difference about how I should approach resource allocation for a character who can be useful but isn't elite, but is who I have -- especially for those of you who even took him to R4 and don't necessarily regret that decision, at all.
Thanks for taking the time to post.
I have had Hyperion and OG Vision at 5/50 for an extended period; they have recently been joined by Blade. They handle the majority of my heavy lifting. It's been a bit of a struggle lining up all the resources to get more 5/50s, though I will likely take up either Iceman or AA, one of either SL or Spark, and Magik.
Again: I have a deep roster of 4-stars. They get me through the majority of the content I need to get through. But it becomes a slog because of the health pools and relative flimsiness compared to 5-stars.
Again: I get it. They are roughly comparable. They are. I And some 4-stars would be better today, and maybe tomorrow. I don't dispute that.
But not long term. At some point, the 4-stars just aren't going to have enough muscle to do what a decent 5-star does, and while I do grind, I am a casual gamer in the sense that I have a wife/kid/life -- I play, but I can't play all the time. So high-intensity alliances are out. So I have to manage my accumulated resources very, very carefully, and not ignore what I know is coming down the line vs. what is easier today.
That's the resource allocation issue in play -- I have enough T4 CCs to take up a Mutant, a Tech, and a Mystic to 5/50 -- but not enough to do two in any of those classes.
I also have enough to take up a Science, and am just short in Cosmic, but have no one worthy at the moment -- the Hulk I have is good enough at 4/40 because I have him at a high sig level so he scales well enough. Quake is effective enough where she is, as well. So I'll probably take my OG Spider-Man up to 3/45 because I am fairly devastating with him.
In Skill, I have Hawkeye at 4/40, and he gets me through a lot of tricky stuff. I also have a 4/40 Wolverine at a high sig level who I might take to 5/50 one day -- that character has gotten me through some tough stuff, as well.
His specials are good, great damage with some damage over time, to me power drain is his main feature, help me through a lot of hard content.
My advice, don't do the rank up until you awake him. keep your resources, maybe you will be lucky enough to get a better skill who doesn't need to be duped and suit your play style (for example GP).
I think you are missing the point here.
I'm also asking myself if it is about time to move to 5* over 4*. I do have a 5* WS at 2/35 and as soon as I get the resources, I'll take him to 3/45.
Once you start to build up a 5* roster and look at taking them to R4 then I would say that’s when you start to move away from 4*s (apart from exceptional circumstances).
I think you're missing the point.
4* Blade will take you further in this game than 5* WS. 5* champs are the future but not mediocre 5* champs. Wasting 5 t1a, 4 t4b and 3 t4c on WS is a waste when you can rank an actually useful 4* champ. I've 100% completed literally everything in this game and 4* champs helped me do it all (GP and AA in LOL, AA, GR, Ice/Ultron in 5.4).
I'd take a 4* Blade over a r4 WS in all of it, let alone a r3 WS.