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MCOC on PC, now with Trojan Malware

Biggie__________Biggie__________ Member Posts: 55 ★★
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When you try to install MCOC on your PC but your antivirus says no...
Can we get an explanation Kabam?

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  • xPOWERFULLxxPOWERFULLx Member Posts: 1
    How can I play McCoy on MacBook
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 2,362 ★★★★
    Malwarebytes is right. I would never install this Easy Anti-Cheat thing on my computer.

    It’s basically a rootkit.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 2,362 ★★★★
    Yeah you guys are right.
    It’s cool to install a kernel driver on your computer that monitors your memory and system calls just to play a game.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 9,116 ★★★★★
    Its flagging easy anti cheat which tends to get flagged as a false positive due to its nature
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 2,362 ★★★★
    Zekedamam said:

    And literally almost every anticheat nowadays has kernel level access so good luck playing anything if you’re that concerned about it.

    You’re the kind of person that would probably plain text reply your password to a fake email from your bank.
  • ZekedamamZekedamam Member Posts: 309 ★★
    smdam38 said:

    Zekedamam said:

    smdam38 said:

    Because its nature is extremely intrusive.
    It has kernel level access to the OS.

    Doesn’t mean it’s malicious lol. Do you know how stupid a company would have to be to sell their anticheat to billion dollar companies just for it to be a malicious root kit? They would lose millions in suits.
    It doesn’t have to be malicious from the company that provides it.

    If/when an exploit is found for it, you wouldn’t even see or know you were a victim of it because it would be happening at the kernel level.

    I’m just saying, don’t install it on your main computer if you value your privacy/security.

  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 2,362 ★★★★
    You’re one of the reasons hackers steal billions of dollars a year.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,796 Guardian
    edited May 16
    smdam38 said:

    You’re one of the reasons hackers steal billions of dollars a year.

    Trillions*

    If you're going to be trying to give a statistic, at least make sure it is accurate. However that isn't just hacking, it is also scamming.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,370 ★★★★★
    smdam38 said:

    You’re one of the reasons hackers steal billions of dollars a year.

    Yes. It's so dangerous yet gigantic titles use it.
  • MrSanguiniMrSanguini Member Posts: 220 ★★
    smdam38 said:

    You’re one of the reasons hackers steal billions of dollars a year.

    Are you unaware of the numerous AAA games that use EasyAntiCheat to this day? You think all those are security risks?

    If so then dang you must not play a lot of online games
  • klobberintymeklobberintyme Member Posts: 1,771 ★★★★
    This is why I was waiting for it to drop on Steam before touching it, where they'll be forced to divulge kernel level anti-cheat. I suppose this is a spoiler.

    Of course at this point I'm just hoping law enforcement doesn't storm the house and seize my younger kid's gaming laptop. I live in a happy world of plausible deniability.
  • SyndicatedSyndicated Member Posts: 805 ★★★★
    klobberintyme said:

    This is why I was waiting for it to drop on Steam before touching it, where they'll be forced to divulge kernel level anti-cheat. I suppose this is a spoiler.

    Of course at this point I'm just hoping law enforcement doesn't storm the house and seize my younger kid's gaming laptop. I live in a happy world of plausible deniability.

    Steam version also have Easy anticheat, is actually a perfectly common way to punish cheaters, don't worry, that anticheats Will not grab your bank information or steal your identity to sell it to China.
  • SyndicatedSyndicated Member Posts: 805 ★★★★
    smdam38 said:

    You’re one of the reasons hackers steal billions of dollars a year.

    Bruh lol
  • klobberintymeklobberintyme Member Posts: 1,771 ★★★★
    Syndicated said:

    klobberintyme said:

    This is why I was waiting for it to drop on Steam before touching it, where they'll be forced to divulge kernel level anti-cheat. I suppose this is a spoiler.

    Of course at this point I'm just hoping law enforcement doesn't storm the house and seize my younger kid's gaming laptop. I live in a happy world of plausible deniability.

    Steam version also have Easy anticheat, is actually a perfectly common way to punish cheaters, don't worry, that anticheats Will not grab your bank information or steal your identity to sell it to China.
    Let's just say my younger kid has gone through a few gaming laptops for reasons I'm not at liberty to disclose. Also my college roommate buddy sold his first cybersecurity business in 1998 and is on his fourth cybersecurity firm and i trust his advice.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,650 ★★★★★
    klobberintyme said:

    Syndicated said:

    klobberintyme said:

    This is why I was waiting for it to drop on Steam before touching it, where they'll be forced to divulge kernel level anti-cheat. I suppose this is a spoiler.

    Of course at this point I'm just hoping law enforcement doesn't storm the house and seize my younger kid's gaming laptop. I live in a happy world of plausible deniability.

    Steam version also have Easy anticheat, is actually a perfectly common way to punish cheaters, don't worry, that anticheats Will not grab your bank information or steal your identity to sell it to China.
    Let's just say my younger kid has gone through a few gaming laptops for reasons I'm not at liberty to disclose. Also my college roommate buddy sold his first cybersecurity business in 1998 and is on his fourth cybersecurity firm and i trust his advice.
    Gaming laptops should come in a three-pack for kids of a certain age and temperament.
  • M0NKEYNUTSM0NKEYNUTS Member Posts: 313 ★★
    xPOWERFULLx said:

    How can I play McCoy on MacBook

    You can only play McCoy with a tricorder.


  • SyndicatedSyndicated Member Posts: 805 ★★★★
    klobberintyme said:

    Syndicated said:

    klobberintyme said:

    This is why I was waiting for it to drop on Steam before touching it, where they'll be forced to divulge kernel level anti-cheat. I suppose this is a spoiler.

    Of course at this point I'm just hoping law enforcement doesn't storm the house and seize my younger kid's gaming laptop. I live in a happy world of plausible deniability.

    Steam version also have Easy anticheat, is actually a perfectly common way to punish cheaters, don't worry, that anticheats Will not grab your bank information or steal your identity to sell it to China.
    Let's just say my younger kid has gone through a few gaming laptops for reasons I'm not at liberty to disclose. Also my college roommate buddy sold his first cybersecurity business in 1998 and is on his fourth cybersecurity firm and i trust his advice.
    You know that You sell your soul in the first moment that You give your E-mail, phone Number and information to social media and forums? Just saying...
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 2,362 ★★★★
    Do you guys remember how Crowdstrike bricked/bluescreened millions of servers recently?

    It’s because it’s kernel level and had one bad update.

    Not a chance I would install this on my main computer. Steam doesn’t use kernel anti cheat software for good reason.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 2,362 ★★★★
    MrSanguini said:

    smdam38 said:

    You’re one of the reasons hackers steal billions of dollars a year.

    Are you unaware of the numerous AAA games that use EasyAntiCheat to this day? You think all those are security risks?

    If so then dang you must not play a lot of online games
    I absolutely do think all of those are security risks.
    You don’t?
  • SyndicatedSyndicated Member Posts: 805 ★★★★
    smdam38 said:

    Do you guys remember how Crowdstrike bricked/bluescreened millions of servers recently?

    It’s because it’s kernel level and had one bad update.

    Not a chance I would install this on my main computer. Steam doesn’t use kernel anti cheat software for good reason.

    b r u h
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 21,039 Guardian
    Biggie__________ said:

    When you try to install MCOC on your PC but your antivirus says no...
    Can we get an explanation Kabam?

    This is not a Trojan or Easy Anti-cheat, this is an outgoing connection. My guess is this is related to the peer-to-peer update option in the game client:



    In games that use peer-to-peer update systems, you often get these warnings because many of the IP addresses show up on various blacklists or grey lists. Malwarebytes is just doing what it is supposed to do: if it sees an outgoing connection to a site it thinks is suspicious, it just blocks it in the background. The MCOC client will simply assume that site is unreachable or down and continue using the others.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 21,039 Guardian
    smdam38 said:

    Do you guys remember how Crowdstrike bricked/bluescreened millions of servers recently?

    It’s because it’s kernel level and had one bad update.

    Not a chance I would install this on my main computer. Steam doesn’t use kernel anti cheat software for good reason.

    1. The Steam version of MCOC also uses Easy Anti-cheat, as does other games on the platform.

    2. Crowdstrike didn't brick things because it was a kernel mode driver. It blue screened Windows because it was a kernel mode driver. It pseudo-bricked systems because it was part of the boot process, so it prevented Windows from booting properly. You had to bypass it by booting into safe mode and removing the driver to allow Windows to boot properly, or in some cases boot from alternate bootable media, which was problematic for many systems where remote safe mode boot was not an easy option.

    I was on a rapid response mitigation team for Crowdstrike and fixing it in real time at the time, by the way.

    3. All the security software that protects people from this stuff is also implemented as kernel mode drivers, including the Malwarebytes warning that started this thread. If you don't trust kernel mode drivers, you aren't running any security protection software, which is ludicrous.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 21,039 Guardian
    klobberintyme said:

    Syndicated said:

    klobberintyme said:

    This is why I was waiting for it to drop on Steam before touching it, where they'll be forced to divulge kernel level anti-cheat. I suppose this is a spoiler.

    Of course at this point I'm just hoping law enforcement doesn't storm the house and seize my younger kid's gaming laptop. I live in a happy world of plausible deniability.

    Steam version also have Easy anticheat, is actually a perfectly common way to punish cheaters, don't worry, that anticheats Will not grab your bank information or steal your identity to sell it to China.
    Let's just say my younger kid has gone through a few gaming laptops for reasons I'm not at liberty to disclose. Also my college roommate buddy sold his first cybersecurity business in 1998 and is on his fourth cybersecurity firm and i trust his advice.
    There's two kinds of people that would be in a position to sell three IT security companies. Only one of them would I take advice from.
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