So...3 Exclusive Champs every 3 Months behind (essentially) paywall

Anotherconcernplayer · May 30

Each Saga is around 3 months (with the exception of Deathless Saga being 4).

For each Saga, there are,

1 Double Track champ (usually good but not OP),

1 Eidol (Lumatrix seem amazing duel threat),

1 Big Sale event with exclusive champ (last was Dark Phoenix an OP, "must have" Def for competitive mode.

For next Saga we have

1 Double Track - Cap British - Look like she is designed for Def

1 Eidol chase

1 (assuming) HT as the last bundle in July 4th Sale event.

All of these champs are mainly behind paywall (or grinding your life away for units).

Double Track champs (usually good but not OP) will appear in Titan so obtainable in 6 months, ok fair enough.

Eidols will be available in Basic Pool, but no one know when (at least 6 months or more).

Exclusive Sale champs which seem to be OP so far, availability unknown.

I do want Kabam to do really well as a company and with good cashflow, but is this getting too much?

Radiance is the highly chase currency that only available in competitive mode. With so of the most OP champs available behind paywall (essentially), which impacts the competitive mode.

If this trend continues would it divide the players based too much?

Would like to hear your thought.

captain_rogers · May 30

you forgot Red guardian and DDHK (Although this one is skippable) too.

JESUSCHRIST · May 30

That's how Kabam make back the money for developing mcoc on PC

Anotherconcernplayer · May 31

captain_rogers said:
you forgot Red guardian and DDHK (Although this one is skippable) too.

Oh gosh you are right, I forgot about those two. Red Guardian is a nuke, and have no idea when he would be in a Titan or basic pool.

So we are in May and already have 5 essentially paywall champs.

JESUSCHRIST · May 31

7* chase champions are for spenders

That's the reality

Anotherconcernplayer · May 31

JESUSCHRIST said:
7* chase champions are for spenders

That's the reality

It is have always been the case. Kabam need ro have reason for players to spend.

I just questioning the balance of it all.

Between a light spender (or FTP) and a big spender are:-

1 awaken Dark Phoenix OP Def - with rank up material and sig (plus much higher change of getting 5 OP/Strong champs from HoF)
1 Lumatrix - Very strong duel threat
1 HT - OP Attacker
1 Red Guardian - OP nuke
And some good champs

All that around 5 months, that is a big gap.

Bugmat78 · May 31

The real issue is they have ramped up the frequency (and cost but that's only a factor for moderate spenders) of these chase champs which imbalances the game. Yes spenders (and I spend though I have ramped it down) should be ahead but the gap was more reasonable before. With several chase champs every couple months, and an event almost monthly it's becoming a gaping chasm.

PT_99 · May 31

I think introducing exclusive champs in exclusive radiance crystals could be big step up,

Just like there is Glory and Loyalty crystal.

Yaron_aviv · May 31

Bugmat78 said:
The real issue is they have ramped up the frequency (and cost but that's only a factor for moderate spenders) of these chase champs which imbalances the game. Yes spenders (and I spend though I have ramped it down) should be ahead but the gap was more reasonable before. With several chase champs every couple months, and an event almost monthly it's becoming a gaping chasm.

I agree. 36k units every 3 months plus everything else that requires a few dollars here and there is getting too much. Exclusive champs are great, exclusive champs behind huge paywalls every Monday inducing FOMO even to dedicated players, is bad.
Also no roadmap as to when exclusivity ends is terrible.

Ashacekar · May 31

You forgot Mr Fantastic. It's 4 exclusive champs every 3 months.
Previous equivalent was normal phoenix.
So it's:
1. Saga Chase Champ
2. Double Track Champ
3. Eidol Chase Champ
4. Sale Champ

WednesdayLength · May 31

Ashacekar said:
You forgot Mr Fantastic. It's 4 exclusive champs every 3 months.
Previous equivalent was normal phoenix.
So it's:
1. Saga Chase Champ
2. Double Track Champ
3. Eidol Chase Champ
4. Sale Champ

Saga chase is free though

Ashacekar · May 31

WednesdayLength said:

Ashacekar said:
You forgot Mr Fantastic. It's 4 exclusive champs every 3 months.
Previous equivalent was normal phoenix.
So it's:
1. Saga Chase Champ
2. Double Track Champ
3. Eidol Chase Champ
4. Sale Champ
Saga chase is free though

Oh okie, got the point of the post. 3 paywalled champs in 3 months. I mentioned all but that's good one's ftp though.

DrZola · May 31

Bugmat78 said:
The real issue is they have ramped up the frequency (and cost but that's only a factor for moderate spenders) of these chase champs which imbalances the game. Yes spenders (and I spend though I have ramped it down) should be ahead but the gap was more reasonable before. With several chase champs every couple months, and an event almost monthly it's becoming a gaping chasm.

What it is is exhausting.

If the intent is to burn all but the whaliest Summoners out on chasing champs, then I think it’s working.

Also: The addition of new champs no one asked for (Eidols) as chase champs coupled with the glacial cadence for champ evaluation and buff feels like a significant misstep.

Dr. Zola

EdisonLaw · June 2

This game is becoming more P2W day by day and it’s getting unfair

peixemacaco · June 2

Dark Phoenix quest for example
75 plumes to fight her and get a 7
150 if you want the dupe...

One ftp player will not even consider to play haha

But Whales will do this to get as soon as possible. And streamers too. To show they're still relevant to their audience.

FTP can have fun at some extent. We dont care to wait for some of these champs over 1 year or more and pay with units we hoard.

If you try to think Kabam have the rights to make some profit, you will understand everything and chill

altavista · June 2

DrZola said:

Bugmat78 said:
The real issue is they have ramped up the frequency (and cost but that's only a factor for moderate spenders) of these chase champs which imbalances the game. Yes spenders (and I spend though I have ramped it down) should be ahead but the gap was more reasonable before. With several chase champs every couple months, and an event almost monthly it's becoming a gaping chasm.
What it is is exhausting.

If the intent is to burn all but the whaliest Summoners out on chasing champs, then I think it’s working.

Also: The addition of new champs no one asked for (Eidols) as chase champs coupled with the glacial cadence for champ evaluation and buff feels like a significant misstep.

Dr. Zola

Its been debated before, but I still think that the next Titan cadence (rotate every 3 months as opposed to 2 months) also increases FOMO and creates an extra gap (spenders have additional month advantage of having a champion they got from the Titan, and 9 months vs 6 months from Basic).

While I understand the reason (running out of old champions*), and understand that 5/6 new champions is better odds than 4/6 new champions, it does also increase the gap (spenders can spend to get more Titans and so can get and dupe more relevant champions before non-spenders have the access).

*And now, we can see that the "running out of old champions" wasn't specifically about not having enough old champions to add to the Titan, but rather that Kabam wanted to reserve these old champions for chase/paywalls.

WednesdayLength · June 2

EdisonLaw said:
This game is becoming more P2W day by day and it’s getting unfair

The game isn't p2w. Unless you're pushing for the absolute highest possible echelons of content and pvp you don't have to pay a penny in order to play.

MrSanguini · June 2

peixemacaco said:
Dark Phoenix quest for example
75 plumes to fight her and get a 7
150 if you want the dupe...

One ftp player will not even consider to play haha

But Whales will do this to get as soon as possible. And streamers too. To show they're still relevant to their audience.

FTP can have fun at some extent. We dont care to wait for some of these champs over 1 year or more and pay with units we hoard.

If you try to think Kabam have the rights to make some profit, you will understand everything and chill

Dude that was like on of the most F2P friendly acquisitions, the fight wasn’t that hard. Almost every endgame F2P player I know did it

peixemacaco · June 2

MrSanguini said:

peixemacaco said:
Dark Phoenix quest for example
75 plumes to fight her and get a 7
150 if you want the dupe...

One ftp player will not even consider to play haha

But Whales will do this to get as soon as possible. And streamers too. To show they're still relevant to their audience.

FTP can have fun at some extent. We dont care to wait for some of these champs over 1 year or more and pay with units we hoard.

If you try to think Kabam have the rights to make some profit, you will understand everything and chill
Dude that was like on of the most F2P friendly acquisitions, the fight wasn’t that hard. Almost every endgame F2P player I know did it

Not all plumes, you still need to buy some

Lol

Sambob · June 2

Remember when they introduced 3 "old" champions as 7* through extremely tough (but FTP possible) carina challenges? Where you could actually play the game at a very challenging level to earn some of the coolest characters? Now if your favorite character is red guardian or human torch, you're so out of luck. You can't actually play the game to earn them.

WednesdayLength · June 2

peixemacaco said:

MrSanguini said:

peixemacaco said:
Dark Phoenix quest for example
75 plumes to fight her and get a 7
150 if you want the dupe...

One ftp player will not even consider to play haha

But Whales will do this to get as soon as possible. And streamers too. To show they're still relevant to their audience.

FTP can have fun at some extent. We dont care to wait for some of these champs over 1 year or more and pay with units we hoard.

If you try to think Kabam have the rights to make some profit, you will understand everything and chill
Dude that was like on of the most F2P friendly acquisitions, the fight wasn’t that hard. Almost every endgame F2P player I know did it
Not all plumes, you still need to buy some

Lol

Only for the inconsequential dupe

WednesdayLength · June 2

Sambob said:
Remember when they introduced 3 "old" champions as 7* through extremely tough (but FTP possible) carina challenges? Where you could actually play the game at a very challenging level to earn some of the coolest characters? Now if your favorite character is red guardian or human torch, you're so out of luck. You can't actually play the game to earn them.

And people still complain that they're too inaccessible. 6 star wolverine and scarlet witch were exclusive for a while too

BigBlueOx · June 2

I’m not against the general model… but there really needs to be more transparency about the premium “for sale” champs like the Omega Days Pool, Red Guardian, HT, etc going forward. It’s bad for the overall health of the game for these cash/unit exclusive 7 star pool to keep growing.

I get and appreciate as a spender getting exclusive access to these toys but there should be an expiry date on non-trophy champion exclusivity that’s more upfront.

Polygon · June 2

WednesdayLength said:

EdisonLaw said:
This game is becoming more P2W day by day and it’s getting unfair
The game isn't p2w. Unless you're pushing for the absolute highest possible echelons of content and pvp you don't have to pay a penny in order to play.

I would say this is false after the introduction of radiance. Ive seen people that pushed in Mysterium/Celestial quit the game because the constant exclusivity of champions being introduced for $$ or units was just too overwhelming

Emilia90 · June 2

EdisonLaw said:
This game is becoming more P2W day by day and it’s getting unfair

This comment would maybe hold weight if you weren’t still uncollected and you’re commenting on stuff you’re not even doing most of the time lmao

TheUglyone123 · June 2

Emilia90 said:

EdisonLaw said:
This game is becoming more P2W day by day and it’s getting unfair
This comment would maybe hold weight if you weren’t still uncollected and commenting on stuff you’re not even a part of

Every once in a while I forget this fact, and it’s funny every time I get reminded 😂

DNA3000 · June 2

EdisonLaw said:
This game is becoming more P2W day by day and it’s getting unfair

The fact that you're complaining about the game going from 99% of everything being acquirable by F2P players to 98% of everything in a span of ten years is not something I would get overly excited about myself.

peixemacaco · June 2

Emilia90 said:

EdisonLaw said:
This game is becoming more P2W day by day and it’s getting unfair
This comment would maybe hold weight if you weren’t still uncollected and you’re commenting on stuff you’re not even doing most of the time lmao

Progression shaming should be punished with Jail

Emilia90 · June 2

peixemacaco said:

Emilia90 said:

EdisonLaw said:
This game is becoming more P2W day by day and it’s getting unfair
This comment would maybe hold weight if you weren’t still uncollected and you’re commenting on stuff you’re not even doing most of the time lmao
Progression shaming should be punished with Jail

You should’ve been banned a long time ago

They frequently comment on threads and talk about the game being unfair when they haven’t even crossed the first half of it, acting like you’re already up there with valiants and commenting on game modes that you haven’t even attempted is stupid

peixemacaco · June 2

Emilia90 said:

peixemacaco said:

Emilia90 said:

EdisonLaw said:
This game is becoming more P2W day by day and it’s getting unfair
This comment would maybe hold weight if you weren’t still uncollected and you’re commenting on stuff you’re not even doing most of the time lmao
Progression shaming should be punished with Jail
You should’ve been banned a long time ago

They frequently comment on threads and talk about the game being unfair when they haven’t even crossed the first half of it, acting like you’re already up there with valiants and commenting on game modes that you haven’t even attempted is stupid

We are free to comment on any thread

Like it or not

Forums arent only for Valiants

Emilia90 · June 2

DNA3000 said:

EdisonLaw said:
This game is becoming more P2W day by day and it’s getting unfair
The fact that you're complaining about the game going from 99% of everything being acquirable by F2P players to 98% of everything in a span of ten years is not something I would get overly excited about myself.

Yeah I'm failing to see what part of the game is P2W exactly. Are most people here looking to push for celestial? Because then absolutely you have to pay but you can push pretty high in BG without paying a dime and still get good rewards

Everything else you can just take at your own pace lmao. I do think the monetization has gotten a little out of hand recently with a lot of stuff back to back but it’s a gacha game, that’s like playing league and expecting players to be respectful

So...3 Exclusive Champs every 3 Months behind (essentially) paywall

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