Just want to point something out

ahmynuts · June 7

If you Read (insert horror movie jumpscare sound effect here), the announcement by the MCOC team. They said 10000 players were banned. Great, we love to see it.
Now let's go a little further in the message. I know it's scary because it's more words, but bear with me. They said, "Another couple thousand accounts have received warnings for potential infractions," which, as I'm sure the astute among you could surmise, is the 7-day bans we are seeing so many people complaining about.
Okay, so what does that mean? They identified something that was a potential infraction related to x person's account and issued a 7-day ban as the warning. Are they right? Are they wrong? Doesn't really matter as they straight up said in the announcement that these were for potential infractions and not anything fully concrete. I wouldn't expect any type of compensation or apology from them.

Furrymoosen · June 7

That was my guess on the 7-day suspensions as well. We haven't seen that low level of action is such a long time and it was always only ever meant to serve as a warning to hopefully sway players away from more serious infractions. While those complaining are acting like a 7-day suspension is the end of the world, it is far more likely that it is just a warning that the end is coming if you continue on your current trajectory.

Average_Desi · June 7

Hmm, didn't read it like that.when I read "Warning" , I was thinking of a popup that said "Stop now, OR else!!". But since there Havant been any screenshots of that, it maybe what you're telling.

And can be read together with what DNA talked about

Abspain101 · June 7

ahmynuts said:
If you Read (insert horror movie jumpscare sound effect here), the announcement by the MCOC team. They said 10000 players were banned. Great, we love to see it.
Now let's go a little further in the message. I know it's scary because it's more words, but bear with me. They said, "Another couple thousand accounts have received warnings for potential infractions," which, as I'm sure the astute among you could surmise, is the 7-day bans we are seeing so many people complaining about.
Okay, so what does that mean? They identified something that was a potential infraction related to x person's account and issued a 7-day ban as the warning. Are they right? Are they wrong? Doesn't really matter as they straight up said in the announcement that these were for potential infractions and not anything fully concrete. I wouldn't expect any type of compensation or apology from them.

I think of it like this i think the warning were just that warning hey dont use third party software to dl the game since those 2k accounts couldnt be fully verified of using said means and the 7 days suspension were the bans cause most of the ppl on here have sent those and atleast from what i have seen not one person has said they received a warning not to do it

Ericson23 · June 7

Many people have been playing the game well and normally for a long time. But today they are suddenly banned. What do you want them to do?

ahmynuts · June 7

Ericson23 said:
Many people have been playing the game well and normally for a long time. But today they are suddenly banned. What do you want them to do?

I don't really think there's anything you can do. If you received a 7-day ban, you'll likely never know the reason and not be able to do anything about it other than take a break unless Kabam lifts the 7-day bans early, if they see the warning was sufficient in a shorter time frame. The trickiest part of it all is that, since it was for potential infractions, pretty much any reason under the sun, speculation is pretty much also useless in this case.

MrSakuragi · June 7

Average_Desi said:
Hmm, didn't read it like that.when I read "Warning" , I was thinking of a popup that said "Stop now, OR else!!". But since there Havant been any screenshots of that, it maybe what you're telling.

And can be read together with what DNA talked about

This was how I understood it also. A warning doesn’t equate to a suspension to me, if it’s for something they’re not sure about

ahmynuts · June 7

MrSakuragi said:

Average_Desi said:
Hmm, didn't read it like that.when I read "Warning" , I was thinking of a popup that said "Stop now, OR else!!". But since there Havant been any screenshots of that, it maybe what you're telling.

And can be read together with what DNA talked about
This was how I understood it also. A warning doesn’t equate to a suspension to me, if it’s for something they’re not sure about

I don't know, maybe I'm crazy because it seemed clear from their language and the actions that were taken that the 10000 they were referencing were permanent bans and then the warnings were separate from that and were 7 day suspensions. There would be no other reason to issue 7 day bans, as anything other than a permanent ban is a warning

Abspain101 · June 7

ahmynuts said:

MrSakuragi said:

Average_Desi said:
Hmm, didn't read it like that.when I read "Warning" , I was thinking of a popup that said "Stop now, OR else!!". But since there Havant been any screenshots of that, it maybe what you're telling.

And can be read together with what DNA talked about
This was how I understood it also. A warning doesn’t equate to a suspension to me, if it’s for something they’re not sure about
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy because it seemed clear from their language and the actions that were taken that the 10000 they were referencing were permanent bans and then the warnings were separate from that and were 7 day suspensions. There would be no other reason to issue 7 day bans, as anything other than a permanent ban is a warning

I can agree with that

Furrymoosen · June 7

ahmynuts said:

MrSakuragi said:

Average_Desi said:
Hmm, didn't read it like that.when I read "Warning" , I was thinking of a popup that said "Stop now, OR else!!". But since there Havant been any screenshots of that, it maybe what you're telling.

And can be read together with what DNA talked about
This was how I understood it also. A warning doesn’t equate to a suspension to me, if it’s for something they’re not sure about
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy because it seemed clear from their language and the actions that were taken that the 10000 they were referencing were permanent bans and then the warnings were separate from that and were 7 day suspensions. There would be no other reason to issue 7 day bans, as anything other than a permanent ban is a warning

Kabam is always careful with the words they choose to use, which as we know gets them into just as much trouble as it saves them from. They wouldn't say those accounts got banned if they were only suspended. I would assume that those 10,000 accounts are gone for good and are not any of these 7-day suspensions.

MrSakuragi · June 7

ahmynuts said:

MrSakuragi said:

Average_Desi said:
Hmm, didn't read it like that.when I read "Warning" , I was thinking of a popup that said "Stop now, OR else!!". But since there Havant been any screenshots of that, it maybe what you're telling.

And can be read together with what DNA talked about
This was how I understood it also. A warning doesn’t equate to a suspension to me, if it’s for something they’re not sure about
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy because it seemed clear from their language and the actions that were taken that the 10000 they were referencing were permanent bans and then the warnings were separate from that and were 7 day suspensions. There would be no other reason to issue 7 day bans, as anything other than a permanent ban is a warning

I’m starting to think it’s mostly 7 day suspensions that were issued as that’s what people are showing happened and not permanent bans. It doesn’t match up with the language in the announcement though.

klobberintyme · June 7

Wild speculation #1: this detection technique wasn't developed in-house and was adopted with a Look The Results Line Up With Your Results It Works Hooray mindset. Their move to pc and steam would put them in touch with security options they hadn't used previously.

Wild speculation #2: Lowering the ban tolerance standards for automated ban actions sure cuts down on person-hours, salaried or otherwise, reviewing game logs and making subjective calls.

Wild speculation #3: this detection technique uncovered something other than what Kabam intended, and if the 7 day bans get their accounts back unchanged and nothing happens when they continue doing what they were doing before, do they dare announce "our bad, here's some titan shards?"

Interesting times, these are.

ahmynuts · June 7

klobberintyme said:
Wild speculation #1: this detection technique wasn't developed in-house and was adopted with a Look The Results Line Up With Your Results It Works Hooray mindset. Their move to pc and steam would put them in touch with security options they hadn't used previously.

Wild speculation #2: Lowering the ban tolerance standards for automated ban actions sure cuts down on person-hours, salaried or otherwise, reviewing game logs and making subjective calls.

Wild speculation #3: this detection technique uncovered something other than what Kabam intended, and if the 7 day bans get their accounts back unchanged and nothing happens when they continue doing what they were doing before, do they dare announce "our bad, here's some titan shards?"

Interesting times, these are.

Wild speculation #4 is this: Everything is working as intended.

Which is the most insane of them all

Abspain101 · June 7

MrSakuragi said:

ahmynuts said:

MrSakuragi said:

Average_Desi said:
Hmm, didn't read it like that.when I read "Warning" , I was thinking of a popup that said "Stop now, OR else!!". But since there Havant been any screenshots of that, it maybe what you're telling.

And can be read together with what DNA talked about
This was how I understood it also. A warning doesn’t equate to a suspension to me, if it’s for something they’re not sure about
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy because it seemed clear from their language and the actions that were taken that the 10000 they were referencing were permanent bans and then the warnings were separate from that and were 7 day suspensions. There would be no other reason to issue 7 day bans, as anything other than a permanent ban is a warning
I’m starting to think it’s mostly 7 day suspensions that were issued as that’s what people are showing happened and not permanent bans. It doesn’t match up with the language in the announcement though.

I just saw someone post they got 30 day suspension

JJ3 · June 7

ahmynuts said:
If you Read (insert horror movie jumpscare sound effect here), the announcement by the MCOC team. They said 10000 players were banned. Great, we love to see it.
Now let's go a little further in the message. I know it's scary because it's more words, but bear with me. They said, "Another couple thousand accounts have received warnings for potential infractions," which, as I'm sure the astute among you could surmise, is the 7-day bans we are seeing so many people complaining about.
Okay, so what does that mean? They identified something that was a potential infraction related to x person's account and issued a 7-day ban as the warning. Are they right? Are they wrong? Doesn't really matter as they straight up said in the announcement that these were for potential infractions and not anything fully concrete. I wouldn't expect any type of compensation or apology from them.

You don't ban for a week for potential wrongdoing. That's silly. They jumped the gun and penalized a huge number of their player base without adequate explanation and without potentially even an infraction against the TOS. They are obligated to uphold their end the same as we are ours.

BringPopcorn · June 7

I already said this on another thread. 10k is not a joke number. Its not like they posted that message before the results and threw a ballpark figure. Its a number that fits what they were expecting or thought was correct. Which is wild.
Now I got no idea what the parameters were or what they were trying to find. Banning 10k players 1 day to the next is far from great for a gaming company, and they took that risk. Its hard to believe they left that much room for mistake.

Zalak_t · June 7

Furrymoosen said:
That was my guess on the 7-day suspensions as well. We haven't seen that low level of action is such a long time and it was always only ever meant to serve as a warning to hopefully sway players away from more serious infractions. While those complaining are acting like a 7-day suspension is the end of the world, it is far more likely that it is just a warning that the end is coming if you continue on your current trajectory.

There is obvious flaw in your message. Most people like me don't even know what they did wrong. Been playing since the beginning of this game and have never cheated or modded or used third party software. So what is the trajectory? The outrage is not because of bans, it's because people have no understanding of why they are banned or what do they not do in the future. Just saying don't cheat or mod doesn't make sense because most of the folks here weren't doing any of that.

YodaKaj · June 7

No

Priyabrata · June 7

oh i know that already my guy if you can reliably say something about kabam is that they handle these things with the sophistication of a Baboon using cutlery. You can be absolutely sure that they will show THE UTMOST INCOMPETENCE in accepting that they wrongfully banned thousands of accounts and give ZERO compensation.

SirGamesBond · June 7

Priyabrata said:
oh i know that already my guy if you can reliably say something about kabam is that they handle these things with the sophistication of a Baboon using cutlery. You can be absolutely sure that they will show THE UTMOST INCOMPETENCE in accepting that they wrongfully ~~banned~~ Suspended thousands of accounts and give ZERO compensation.

Priyabrata · June 7

SirGamesBond said:

Priyabrata said:
oh i know that already my guy if you can reliably say something about kabam is that they handle these things with the sophistication of a Baboon using cutlery. You can be absolutely sure that they will show THE UTMOST INCOMPETENCE in accepting that they wrongfully ~~banned~~ Suspended thousands of accounts and give ZERO compensation.

thanks for the correction

SirGamesBond · June 7

I shared this thought process in Line grpus.
This is correct point of view.
The warning is 7 day suspension.

Ayden_noah1 · June 7

According to the Kabam post, the ban is about downloading the game on an unauthorized app or site. There's no mention on hacking or modding anywhere. The 7 bans are usually for first timers so commit a minor infraction, the 30 days might be for a second infraction and the permanent might be for more than two infractions. I really don't know what the criteria was for those ban lengths. All I know is a lot of players got ban recently.

PT_99 · June 7

Looks like Kabam ain't messing around this time 😳

BringPopcorn · June 7

PT_99 said:

Looks like Kabam ain't messing around this time 😳

Its ok, 7 days from now would be June 14th... Everyone will forget this mess by July 4th

Djin · June 7

Returning to the game after a long break when I saw Kabam released a PC version.
Fortunately my account is still safe.

SirGamesBond · June 7

7 days from now some will think.

"Oh I fooled them, they only gave me 7 day ban for modding. Next time I'll careful and surly won't get caught."

ĐRACULA · June 7

I wanna make it clear that who didn't got ban shouldn't just say like yeah modder would say he ain't modder blah blah, many people got banned and have been playing since long time , they didn't ban modders only they banned everyone even those who use boosters cause the team doesn't optimise game enough and it lags hard on a mobile where I can high graphic games like genshin in mid-high setting so it's kabam's fault either warn through mail or just don't take such action

Drago_von_Drago · June 7

If I can get a 7 day ban for a “possible but unverified infraction” then it just further reinforces why I can’t see investing any money into my account.

If they’ve got data showing TOS violations, ban away. Otherwise, I would argue they should do more due diligence before taking away something people spent money on. Or at the very least, communicate the kind of things that might trip the new system so people can heed the “warning”. If the OP’s interpretation is correct, this is kinda like mailing out generic traffic tickets to random drivers and expecting them to change their driving habits. If they don’t get more specific with what the possible violation was, how are people supposed to know what to correct or avoid?

captain_rogers · June 7

ahmynuts said:

Ericson23 said:
Many people have been playing the game well and normally for a long time. But today they are suddenly banned. What do you want them to do?
I don't really think there's anything you can do. If you received a 7-day ban, you'll likely never know the reason and not be able to do anything about it other than take a break unless Kabam lifts the 7-day bans early, if they see the warning was sufficient in a shorter time frame. The trickiest part of it all is that, since it was for potential infractions, pretty much any reason under the sun, speculation is pretty much also useless in this case.

If they don't know why they got 7 day ban, then they'll continue you to do the stuff that lead to the warning, cuz they don't know that stuff is not allowed?

Abspain101 · June 7

captain_rogers said:

ahmynuts said:

Ericson23 said:
Many people have been playing the game well and normally for a long time. But today they are suddenly banned. What do you want them to do?
I don't really think there's anything you can do. If you received a 7-day ban, you'll likely never know the reason and not be able to do anything about it other than take a break unless Kabam lifts the 7-day bans early, if they see the warning was sufficient in a shorter time frame. The trickiest part of it all is that, since it was for potential infractions, pretty much any reason under the sun, speculation is pretty much also useless in this case.
If they don't know why they got 7 day ban, then they'll continue you to do the stuff that lead to the warning, cuz they don't know that stuff is not allowed?

Thats ok crashed informed of the sources that are approved to dl the game that means any other ways is violating tos

Just want to point something out

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