I don’t understand, shouldn’t players think from the perspective of other players?

Ericson23Ericson23 Member Posts: 196 ★★
edited June 9 in General Discussion
So what if they use other unofficial clients? They also don't use cheats, don't violate other rules, and play games seriously. Why can't some players on this forum have some empathy and try to understand the distress and confusion of the banned players?

Do you have to say something that would make the person whose account was banned feel even more uncomfortable?

It’s not just the accounts that are banned, isn’t it also their youth that is banned?

Don't you have any allies? If your allies are banned for no reason, won't you be anxious? Don't you have sympathy?
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  • HSS75HSS75 Member Posts: 1,172 ★★★
    It's simple, they did what Kabam was considering enough for a ban...
    If they want to continue playing then they should start a new account and play without violating the terms.
    Otherwise this is just complaining about what they signed up for when they first started
  • Ericson23Ericson23 Member Posts: 196 ★★
    edited June 8
    I really want to make an analogy now. For example, some people go to a certain place to reclaim wasteland, slowly build houses, create gardens, and vegetable plots. After a few years, someone suddenly comes and flattens everything. Do you understand what I am saying?
  • Ericson23Ericson23 Member Posts: 196 ★★
    edited June 8



    Ericson23 said:

    I really want to make an analogy now. For example, some people go to a certain place to reclaim wasteland, slowly build houses, create gardens, and vegetable plots. After a few years, someone suddenly comes and flattens everything. Do you understand what I am saying?

    If the land belongs to the government or you bought it illegally, then no matter what you have done to it, they can take it away.
    You are right, In addition, people do not know that it is illegal to open up wasteland here. but if ordinary people knew that the land full of life has been razed, what would they think?
  • Ericson23Ericson23 Member Posts: 196 ★★
    My analogy is actually not appropriate. This is about playing a game. The game itself is free, not to mention that people have spent a lot of money on it. From any perspective, people who use unofficial channels to download it have not brought harm to the entire game, but have brought prosperity, right?
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,344 ★★★★★
    We don’t know — and can’t know — if someone using an unofficial client is actively cheating or not. If there’s a possibility they’re modding and they’re already violating ToS by using the wrong client, then Kabam has to act in the best interest of the game. I feel bad for someone who lives in a region where they are only able to access the game through unorthodox means. But it is what it is.
  • ContestOfNoobsContestOfNoobs Member Posts: 2,247 ★★★★★

    What the actual hell did I just read. If you break ToS, you are banned. It’s as simple as that.


    I’m surprised he made another thread lol.


    Serve your 7 days banned and get it legitimately


    Or he’s prob perma banned lol that’s why he’s so mad.
  • Beerus2StrongBeerus2Strong Member Posts: 288 ★★
    Ericson23 said:

    I really want to make an analogy now. For example, some people go to a certain place to reclaim wasteland, slowly build houses, create gardens, and vegetable plots. After a few years, someone suddenly comes and flattens everything. Do you understand what I am saying?

    Oh lord!
  • D3X87D3X87 Member Posts: 30
    Buttehrs said:

    Your obviously too stubborn and hard headed to understand why playing the game through unofficial means is a bad thing and bannable. Your talking around this game like its their lifeblood or something. It's not that serious. If you can't play this game through the official avenues, you don't get to play it. It's that simple. There's literally hundreds of thousands of other games available to play. They'll get over it.

    What about ppl who got banned even tho they used official client? I have google store install and i got banned for no reason. From what i gathered the ban ONLY affects android clients. Doesn't it seem odd to you? I hope one day you will see how it's like. Remember karma's a b****
  • D3X87D3X87 Member Posts: 30

    D3X87 said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Your obviously too stubborn and hard headed to understand why playing the game through unofficial means is a bad thing and bannable. Your talking around this game like its their lifeblood or something. It's not that serious. If you can't play this game through the official avenues, you don't get to play it. It's that simple. There's literally hundreds of thousands of other games available to play. They'll get over it.

    What about ppl who got banned even tho they used official client? I have google store install and i got banned for no reason. From what i gathered the ban ONLY affects android clients. Doesn't it seem odd to you? I hope one day you will see how it's like. Remember karma's a b****
    It doesn’t seem that odd considering it’s a lot easier to sideload apps on android than it is on iOS.
    I didn't sideload mine. And hundreds if not thousands didn't either. So what the frak? Are we being punished for not being able to afford Apple phone?
  • Chuck_FinleyChuck_Finley Member Posts: 1,868 ★★★★★
    The case has been made. Claims of innocence are everywhere… wait for the ticket response. It’s overwhelming the forums and turning people off… even me who is sympathetic to those who were not aware of violating TOS.

  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 6,663 ★★★★★
    D3X87 said:

    D3X87 said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Your obviously too stubborn and hard headed to understand why playing the game through unofficial means is a bad thing and bannable. Your talking around this game like its their lifeblood or something. It's not that serious. If you can't play this game through the official avenues, you don't get to play it. It's that simple. There's literally hundreds of thousands of other games available to play. They'll get over it.

    What about ppl who got banned even tho they used official client? I have google store install and i got banned for no reason. From what i gathered the ban ONLY affects android clients. Doesn't it seem odd to you? I hope one day you will see how it's like. Remember karma's a b****
    It doesn’t seem that odd considering it’s a lot easier to sideload apps on android than it is on iOS.
    I didn't sideload mine. And hundreds if not thousands didn't either. So what the frak? Are we being punished for not being able to afford Apple phone?
    No but some are being punished for being unable to download from an official source (mainland China) and probably some for incorrect data identification.
  • D3X87D3X87 Member Posts: 30

    D3X87 said:

    D3X87 said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Your obviously too stubborn and hard headed to understand why playing the game through unofficial means is a bad thing and bannable. Your talking around this game like its their lifeblood or something. It's not that serious. If you can't play this game through the official avenues, you don't get to play it. It's that simple. There's literally hundreds of thousands of other games available to play. They'll get over it.

    What about ppl who got banned even tho they used official client? I have google store install and i got banned for no reason. From what i gathered the ban ONLY affects android clients. Doesn't it seem odd to you? I hope one day you will see how it's like. Remember karma's a b****
    It doesn’t seem that odd considering it’s a lot easier to sideload apps on android than it is on iOS.
    I didn't sideload mine. And hundreds if not thousands didn't either. So what the frak? Are we being punished for not being able to afford Apple phone?
    No but some are being punished for being unable to download from an official source (mainland China) and probably some for incorrect data identification.
    And do you think it is fair? To punish someone for incorrect data identification?
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 8,833 ★★★★★
    D3X87 said:

    D3X87 said:

    D3X87 said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Your obviously too stubborn and hard headed to understand why playing the game through unofficial means is a bad thing and bannable. Your talking around this game like its their lifeblood or something. It's not that serious. If you can't play this game through the official avenues, you don't get to play it. It's that simple. There's literally hundreds of thousands of other games available to play. They'll get over it.

    What about ppl who got banned even tho they used official client? I have google store install and i got banned for no reason. From what i gathered the ban ONLY affects android clients. Doesn't it seem odd to you? I hope one day you will see how it's like. Remember karma's a b****
    It doesn’t seem that odd considering it’s a lot easier to sideload apps on android than it is on iOS.
    I didn't sideload mine. And hundreds if not thousands didn't either. So what the frak? Are we being punished for not being able to afford Apple phone?
    No but some are being punished for being unable to download from an official source (mainland China) and probably some for incorrect data identification.
    And do you think it is fair? To punish someone for incorrect data identification?
    No one is saying anything is fair or unfair. There's really no way to determine what that is
  • D3X87D3X87 Member Posts: 30
    And i will never believe that they didn't know that this software will cause innocent people to suffer. They must've known. Pulling this **** on Friday on the end of the shift shows how much they "care" about players
  • Ericson23Ericson23 Member Posts: 196 ★★
    DNA3000 said:

    We don’t know — and can’t know — if someone using an unofficial client is actively cheating or not. If there’s a possibility they’re modding and they’re already violating ToS by using the wrong client, then Kabam has to act in the best interest of the game. I feel bad for someone who lives in a region where they are only able to access the game through unorthodox means. But it is what it is.

    Just to amplify this a bit, a lot of people don't fully appreciate why Kabam very strictly prohibits things like the use of emulated environments or unofficial game clients. The reason why is because once you allow players to play on environments you do not control or do not have a complete understanding of, you can't trust anything that happens anymore. Even if you build anti-cheat capabilities into the client, you can't trust what they say if the game runs in an emulated environment where the player theoretically has the ability to control anything the game client sees or does. Ditto if the game client has been altered in any way.

    When someone says they should only ban people when they actually cheat, that's like saying banks should allow people to wander around in the bank vaults and teller stations, sift through the cash, and only stop them if they actually try to leave with money in their pockets. That's asking for too much. They have to stop players from using tools that make it extremely difficult to catch cheating, even if those players aren't cheating. There's no way to be certain those players aren't cheating, and we can't just take their word for it.

    I do in fact have sympathy for players who side load the game because circumstances make it impossible for them to download through authorized channels. However, it is also important to note that Kabam didn't just straight up ban everyone. According to their announcement, a bunch of people were banned permanently. Some were temporarily banned and/or given warnings. Players have come forward to state they were either perma banned or temp banned, so we know both kinds of bans went out. This wasn't done randomly. Some players who were using these unauthorized clients drew warnings or short term bans. The rest got perma banned. There's likely to be a very good reason Kabam had for deciding which players were permanently kicked. It wasn't just for side loading the game client.
    Since you also said that you sympathize with those who can only use unofficial channels to download the client, some people are only banned for 7 days, and then what? After the ban is unblocked, he still cannot download the client from the official channel, so what is the difference between this ban and a permanent ban? What is the meaning of your sympathy? Have you really considered them?
  • FishSkinFishSkin Member Posts: 213 ★★
    Ericson23 said:

    DNA3000 said:

    We don’t know — and can’t know — if someone using an unofficial client is actively cheating or not. If there’s a possibility they’re modding and they’re already violating ToS by using the wrong client, then Kabam has to act in the best interest of the game. I feel bad for someone who lives in a region where they are only able to access the game through unorthodox means. But it is what it is.

    Just to amplify this a bit, a lot of people don't fully appreciate why Kabam very strictly prohibits things like the use of emulated environments or unofficial game clients. The reason why is because once you allow players to play on environments you do not control or do not have a complete understanding of, you can't trust anything that happens anymore. Even if you build anti-cheat capabilities into the client, you can't trust what they say if the game runs in an emulated environment where the player theoretically has the ability to control anything the game client sees or does. Ditto if the game client has been altered in any way.

    When someone says they should only ban people when they actually cheat, that's like saying banks should allow people to wander around in the bank vaults and teller stations, sift through the cash, and only stop them if they actually try to leave with money in their pockets. That's asking for too much. They have to stop players from using tools that make it extremely difficult to catch cheating, even if those players aren't cheating. There's no way to be certain those players aren't cheating, and we can't just take their word for it.

    I do in fact have sympathy for players who side load the game because circumstances make it impossible for them to download through authorized channels. However, it is also important to note that Kabam didn't just straight up ban everyone. According to their announcement, a bunch of people were banned permanently. Some were temporarily banned and/or given warnings. Players have come forward to state they were either perma banned or temp banned, so we know both kinds of bans went out. This wasn't done randomly. Some players who were using these unauthorized clients drew warnings or short term bans. The rest got perma banned. There's likely to be a very good reason Kabam had for deciding which players were permanently kicked. It wasn't just for side loading the game client.
    Since you also said that you sympathize with those who can only use unofficial channels to download the client, some people are only banned for 7 days, and then what? After the ban is unblocked, he still cannot download the client from the official channel, so what is the difference between this ban and a permanent ban? What is the meaning of your sympathy? Have you really considered them?
    You just need to stop now.

    Kabam explained it. And you’ve had some very nice, informative explanations from the community too.

    It’s one of those “it is what it is” situations.

    If you received a 7 day ban for using an unauthorised channel to access the game, and after the 7 days you are still unable to use an authorised channel to access the game - well, as of right now, we can only presume what will happen.

    DNA sympathy, along with others, is aimed at those who play via unauthorised channels as their only means to, but do so “legitimately”.

    We aren’t going to raise our pitchforks and march on Kabam headquarters for you, or even with you. But that doesn’t mean we can’t / don’t understand your plight.
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