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Spider Woman or Silk?

EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,940 ★★★★★
edited June 15 in General Discussion
With the Titan available for some time. now, who do you think is better, and why?

Spider Woman or Silk? 143 votes

Spider Woman
39%
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Silk
60%
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  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 80
    Spider Woman
    I have them both, and while Silk is amazing Spider woman has incredible damage potential as well with her furies. Spider Woman's power stings hit like a truck and she has poison immunity as well.
  • Jgdahustla1Jgdahustla1 Member Posts: 45
    Spider Woman
    They are both just great champs. Silk is a little bit easier to use and probably faster, but spider woman’s damage is insane also being able to nullify her own buffs and make them passives (from awakened ability) is awesome. Spider woman also has some defensive use if you’re looking for that as well
  • MmaatthheewwMmaatthheeww Member Posts: 144 ★★
    It's too close to call. They both have a lot of utility which makes them unique. Many people don't understand that Silk's true rotation involves sp3. Combo, heavy into relic, combo, heavy into sp3, (two furies and passive stun) medium, medium, medium, medium, combo, heavy into relic, combo, heavy into sp1. It's really simple once you understand it.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,940 ★★★★★
    Spider Woman

    It's too close to call. They both have a lot of utility which makes them unique. Many people don't understand that Silk's true rotation involves sp3. Combo, heavy into relic, combo, heavy into sp3, (two furies and passive stun) medium, medium, medium, medium, combo, heavy into relic, combo, heavy into sp1. It's really simple once you understand it.

    Sp3 rotation is only for long fights, not BGs or war
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,875 ★★★★★
    I would say Silk, but only because I think Jessica will be nerfed.
    And I know, I know:


  • BattleWarriarBattleWarriar Member Posts: 55
    Spider Woman
    I have both and of course they’re both amazing. I think silk’s kit is more straightforward, but I don’t think one is easier to use than the other. I’m saying Jessica because her damage isn’t very easily mitigated (silk loses a lot of damage if the opponent has high physical resistance) and Jessica has way more defensive utility while silk has almost no use on defense.
  • Toproller89Toproller89 Member Posts: 2,177 ★★★★★
    Silk
    I have cheesed so many BG matchups with Silks wall lock it ain’t funny, Silk is the best science attacker and it’s not close
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,312 ★★★★★
    Silk
    Even if jess is insane, it's wild to pick her over silk this early
  • dv99999dv99999 Member Posts: 249 ★★
    Spider Woman
    I got 6max rank and 7r3 of silk, I used to use her much until Kabam disabled her usages such as Incursion.
  • OakenshieldOakenshield Member Posts: 2,809 ★★★★★
    Spider Woman
    As much as I love Silk, Spider Woman is a dual threat so scores higher in my book. That said, if she gets nerfed then Silk would be on top.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,875 ★★★★★
    So does anyone know whether the infinite Silk stun lock is going to be nerfed by Kabam or if it's just part of her kit permanently?
    Because if it's permanent, then Spider-who??
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,478 ★★★★★

    So does anyone know whether the infinite Silk stun lock is going to be nerfed by Kabam or if it's just part of her kit permanently?
    Because if it's permanent, then Spider-who??

    I think it’s just a matter of time before they put a pause in her rotation so that you can’t throw that early medium when the opponent is on the ground against the wall.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,940 ★★★★★
    Spider Woman

    So does anyone know whether the infinite Silk stun lock is going to be nerfed by Kabam or if it's just part of her kit permanently?
    Because if it's permanent, then Spider-who??

    Who knows, she might get a She-Hulk style of nerf to her heavy and people will then ask for compensation lol
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,875 ★★★★★
    edited June 23

    So does anyone know whether the infinite Silk stun lock is going to be nerfed by Kabam or if it's just part of her kit permanently?
    Because if it's permanent, then Spider-who??

    I think it’s just a matter of time before they put a pause in her rotation so that you can’t throw that early medium when the opponent is on the ground against the wall.
    Right, but when?
    Because I've spent 10 minutes learning the timing and am now using a 6R4 Silk to finish 7R3 defenders with 100% health in this stupid BG meta.
    Even if the nerf is coming, if it's two months from now I would max rank my 7 for those two months because she's the most broken champ in BGs right now.

    I mean, it's not like she's not a good champ without that cheatcode.
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 1,029 ★★★★
    Silk
    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,043 ★★★★★
    Spider Woman
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,312 ★★★★★
    Silk
    Emilia90 said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
    Silk has better damage and more utility, Spiderwomen is good but need sp2+sp1, while silk and spam can end fights with a sp2 or before. Spam and silk also have more anti mystic utility, spiderwomen getting buffs is always problematic against champs like destroyer for example.

    Her fumble is definitely managable for most time I have fought few and placed her few times on defense and she's not someone who need counters, just wait out the fumble or I think fumbles are removed when you throw a special.

    Spiderwomen is definitely very good sp2 to sp1 ends most matches and is decent of defense, but definitely not better than silk it's just another spiral / gentle situation, recency bias.
  • RobobotRobobot Member Posts: 87
    edited June 26
    Silk
    Emilia90 said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
    Imo silk has more utility on offense even without the corner lock mainly with the stun on heavy, the safety evade and the slow on dupe. Ham is faster on bgs so he has that going for him but that's pretty much it.

    For defense tho? She is like fighting spider Gwen with the added affect that her sp1 is undexable when you play the game with your eyes close and don't handle the fumble. You honestly don't need a counter you just need to be aware of what she does. Calling her a duel threat is extremely generous for the small amount of defensive utility she has going for her. Especially since you can heal off of her ensnare if you have WP (which a lot of people do) So messing up won't have many repercussions. At least when duped ham puts a power sting on you if you try to parry him and cancel that evade (you will heal from it but it will stall you)
    If you max out inequity she has something going for her tho.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,312 ★★★★★
    Silk
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    I think spiderwomen si definitely close to those guys, sp2 to sp1 kills most champs and anti enchantress utility is nice, But I agree her defensive value is little overrated
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,043 ★★★★★
    Spider Woman

    Emilia90 said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
    Silk has better damage and more utility, Spiderwomen is good but need sp2+sp1, while silk and spam can end fights with a sp2 or before. Spam and silk also have more anti mystic utility, spiderwomen getting buffs is always problematic against champs like destroyer for example.

    Her fumble is definitely managable for most time I have fought few and placed her few times on defense and she's not someone who need counters, just wait out the fumble or I think fumbles are removed when you throw a special.

    Spiderwomen is definitely very good sp2 to sp1 ends most matches and is decent of defense, but definitely not better than silk it's just another spiral / gentle situation, recency bias.
    Silk has good damage but better? Without the silk lock? I tested both and they’re very comparable. Not to mention Spider Woman has 2 avenues of damage, her basics hit incredibly hard and so does her power sting bursts.

    She’s not the greatest defender but people labeling ham as a dual threat and not her is wild to me. She can definitely mess you up just as often as he can and if you take the sp1 into the block you’re in trouble

    I have both at r3 duped and I think Spider Woman is on her level. Spider Woman does want high sig though, her damage unduped isn’t as good as Silks. You need to retain the fury buffs as passives
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,940 ★★★★★
    Spider Woman

    Emilia90 said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
    Silk has better damage and more utility, Spiderwomen is good but need sp2+sp1, while silk and spam can end fights with a sp2 or before. Spam and silk also have more anti mystic utility, spiderwomen getting buffs is always problematic against champs like destroyer for example.

    Her fumble is definitely managable for most time I have fought few and placed her few times on defense and she's not someone who need counters, just wait out the fumble or I think fumbles are removed when you throw a special.

    Spiderwomen is definitely very good sp2 to sp1 ends most matches and is decent of defense, but definitely not better than silk it's just another spiral / gentle situation, recency bias.
    Spider Woman, though she does struggle vs some mystics like Destroyer, she can take class disadvantage skill matchups as well considering her power stings are Severe and that she hits hard on basics too
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 1,029 ★★★★
    Silk
    Emilia90 said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
    Silks basics hit harder let's not even start. She only hits hard when you're punishing a special attack which is only one hit. You're putting it like she also hits immensely hard on basics in addition to her power stings.

    Yh she'd probably be closer to them in a battlegrounds setup where an sp2 sp1 rotation would be enough to take out 300+. However 2 sp1's was still struggling to kill 500k health which silk and ham can in 30 sec so damage.
    But thats besides the point, what do you mean she's got more utility??? Maybe more than ham. But what utility does she have?? She's counters enchantress thats it. Her ensnare is a 15 second wait to get up which lasts for 7 seconds. Silk can get her slow which counters evade and unstoppable. She doesn't counter unstoppable and miss she just gives you a 2 second protection in the form of evade which goes on cool down for 10 secs. So you're not using her for FOOTLOOSE. That debilitate which happens to be an exact RPG counter to enchantress is what you're calling utility?? She can do alot of fights outside the sci class tho so she's definitely a good champ. But yall have got to come down when evaluating new champions lol.

    As a new defender, she's going to get you kills because people are going to need experience when facing her to get better at fighting her.

    She as well as Jean, bastion etc are experience what we call new champion hype where every new champ gets placed on a pedestal and gets alot more credit than they're deserving of as long as they're not totally useless. After the hype dies down, we'll see how well she does.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,312 ★★★★★
    Silk
    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
    Silk has better damage and more utility, Spiderwomen is good but need sp2+sp1, while silk and spam can end fights with a sp2 or before. Spam and silk also have more anti mystic utility, spiderwomen getting buffs is always problematic against champs like destroyer for example.

    Her fumble is definitely managable for most time I have fought few and placed her few times on defense and she's not someone who need counters, just wait out the fumble or I think fumbles are removed when you throw a special.

    Spiderwomen is definitely very good sp2 to sp1 ends most matches and is decent of defense, but definitely not better than silk it's just another spiral / gentle situation, recency bias.
    Silk has good damage but better? Without the silk lock? I tested both and they’re very comparable. Not to mention Spider Woman has 2 avenues of damage, her basics hit incredibly hard and so does her power sting bursts.

    She’s not the greatest defender but people labeling ham as a dual threat and not her is wild to me. She can definitely mess you up just as often as he can and if you take the sp1 into the block you’re in trouble

    I have both at r3 duped and I think Spider Woman is on her level. Spider Woman does want high sig though, her damage unduped isn’t as good as Silks. You need to retain the fury buffs as passives
    Silk can nuke most fights in one sp2 while spider women needs 3 bars of power .silk's utility, especially auto evade and dex replacement is more valuable than spider women utility.

    If you wanna place swomen nd ham on same league then that's something I'll agree
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 1,029 ★★★★
    Silk
    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
    Silk has better damage and more utility, Spiderwomen is good but need sp2+sp1, while silk and spam can end fights with a sp2 or before. Spam and silk also have more anti mystic utility, spiderwomen getting buffs is always problematic against champs like destroyer for example.

    Her fumble is definitely managable for most time I have fought few and placed her few times on defense and she's not someone who need counters, just wait out the fumble or I think fumbles are removed when you throw a special.

    Spiderwomen is definitely very good sp2 to sp1 ends most matches and is decent of defense, but definitely not better than silk it's just another spiral / gentle situation, recency bias.
    Silk has good damage but better? Without the silk lock? I tested both and they’re very comparable. Not to mention Spider Woman has 2 avenues of damage, her basics hit incredibly hard and so does her power sting bursts.

    She’s not the greatest defender but people labeling ham as a dual threat and not her is wild to me. She can definitely mess you up just as often as he can and if you take the sp1 into the block you’re in trouble

    I have both at r3 duped and I think Spider Woman is on her level. Spider Woman does want high sig though, her damage unduped isn’t as good as Silks. You need to retain the fury buffs as passives
    I do not play silk with silk lock and can guarantee you SILK IS A MUCH BETTER and safer ATTACKER
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,312 ★★★★★
    Silk
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Emilia90 said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
    Silks basics hit harder let's not even start. She only hits hard when you're punishing a special attack which is only one hit. You're putting it like she also hits immensely hard on basics in addition to her power stings.

    Yh she'd probably be closer to them in a battlegrounds setup where an sp2 sp1 rotation would be enough to take out 300+. However 2 sp1's was still struggling to kill 500k health which silk and ham can in 30 sec so damage.
    But thats besides the point, what do you mean she's got more utility??? Maybe more than ham. But what utility does she have?? She's counters enchantress thats it. Her ensnare is a 15 second wait to get up which lasts for 7 seconds. Silk can get her slow which counters evade and unstoppable. She doesn't counter unstoppable and miss she just gives you a 2 second protection in the form of evade which goes on cool down for 10 secs. So you're not using her for FOOTLOOSE. That debilitate which happens to be an exact RPG counter to enchantress is what you're calling utility?? She can do alot of fights outside the sci class tho so she's definitely a good champ. But yall have got to come down when evaluating new champions lol.

    As a new defender, she's going to get you kills because people are going to need experience when facing her to get better at fighting her.

    She as well as Jean, bastion etc are experience what we call new champion hype where every new champ gets placed on a pedestal and gets alot more credit than they're deserving of as long as they're not totally useless. After the hype dies down, we'll see how well she does.
    Yeah I'll agree and it's crazy people even compare her to silk, people are too quick to forgot silk's crazy damage, utility nd the amount of defenders she can take.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,043 ★★★★★
    Spider Woman
    EdisonLaw said:

    Emilia90 said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
    Silk has better damage and more utility, Spiderwomen is good but need sp2+sp1, while silk and spam can end fights with a sp2 or before. Spam and silk also have more anti mystic utility, spiderwomen getting buffs is always problematic against champs like destroyer for example.

    Her fumble is definitely managable for most time I have fought few and placed her few times on defense and she's not someone who need counters, just wait out the fumble or I think fumbles are removed when you throw a special.

    Spiderwomen is definitely very good sp2 to sp1 ends most matches and is decent of defense, but definitely not better than silk it's just another spiral / gentle situation, recency bias.
    Spider Woman, though she does struggle vs some mystics like Destroyer, she can take class disadvantage skill matchups as well considering her power stings are Severe and that she hits hard on basics too
    Destroyer isn’t even meta relevant but that aside, anyone saying her damage doesn’t compete with the top sciences is just wrong imo. She hits incredibly hard and has good utility
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,043 ★★★★★
    edited June 26
    Spider Woman
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Emilia90 said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Yup yup, after pulling spider woman and r3ing her this morning, I can confirm she's not touching silk Titania and ham on attack. Its really not even close. Damage wise at least.

    Only top science champ i'd say shes better than on attack is photon. But that evens it out because she's a dual threat while the rest are purely attackers.

    That being said, after reading her kit, only thing I can say is a threat is her fumble and small chance to evade but we've all fought spider gwen without a counter before and as long as you're not just brainlessly mashing buttons shouldn't be too difficult or at least just use an evade counter.

    As for the fumble shouldn't it be easy to play around by ANTI BAITING the special 1? The sp2 seems pretty easy to outspace as long as you keep your distance when trying to bait it.
    I haven't fought her ever but reading her on paper she doesn't seem such like a big deal on defense.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    How is she not even close to them lmao. She has more utility than Ham and Silk and her damage is comparable to both while being guaranteed unlike Hams, there’s no rng to her power stings. She’s also hitting like 25k mediums with class disadvantage and her sig lets her make those furies passive so even when you can’t apply debuffs she hits hard. Only thing is she does want high sig because she’ll retain all the fury buffs as passives and gain them on intercepts so your damage skyrockets. Not to mention she’s one of the champs who can heavy counter Zola

    And she’s still very annoying to fight on defense having fought her without a counter. That evade really messes you up and if she does throw the sp1 you’re in trouble, especially since those power stings take effect through the block. She’s not the most insane defender but she’s tough if you’re not using a counter
    Silks basics hit harder let's not even start. She only hits hard when you're punishing a special attack which is only one hit. You're putting it like she also hits immensely hard on basics in addition to her power stings.

    Yh she'd probably be closer to them in a battlegrounds setup where an sp2 sp1 rotation would be enough to take out 300+. However 2 sp1's was still struggling to kill 500k health which silk and ham can in 30 sec so damage.
    But thats besides the point, what do you mean she's got more utility??? Maybe more than ham. But what utility does she have?? She's counters enchantress thats it. Her ensnare is a 15 second wait to get up which lasts for 7 seconds. Silk can get her slow which counters evade and unstoppable. She doesn't counter unstoppable and miss she just gives you a 2 second protection in the form of evade which goes on cool down for 10 secs. So you're not using her for FOOTLOOSE. That debilitate which happens to be an exact RPG counter to enchantress is what you're calling utility?? She can do alot of fights outside the sci class tho so she's definitely a good champ. But yall have got to come down when evaluating new champions lol.

    As a new defender, she's going to get you kills because people are going to need experience when facing her to get better at fighting her.

    She as well as Jean, bastion etc are experience what we call new champion hype where every new champ gets placed on a pedestal and gets alot more credit than they're deserving of as long as they're not totally useless. After the hype dies down, we'll see how well she does.
    Silks basics hit hard, yes. Spider Woman hits hard on basics even without the boost, she can kill ROL opponents in under a minute easily without even utilizing the power stings damage at all so she’s got really nice damage too

    2 sp1’s are easily enough. If yours is not awakened and a decent sig you’re literally losing out on a ton of damage because she retains her fury passives when you have her duped

    Please show me Ham and Silk doing the fight in 30 seconds. I saw a max boosted and suicides R3 Ham with a synergy team and it took 27 seconds for ROL WS

    She has poison immunity, neutralize immunity, she can take the power denied from MD, she has ensnare which stops a bunch of stuff, and her safety for unstoppable and miss is clutch. She also does have a built in auto evade which can save you in BGs

    And yes part of why she’s so good is her versatility outside the mystic class. Mystic isn’t that tough when it comes to defense. She has the range to take Zola, she’s a really quick onslaught nuke, and she’s one of the few science champs who can take bullseye decently well

    You were also placing Dazzler on a pedestal when she dropped and downplaying Deathless Thanos so I don’t think your track record is amazing

    Not denying how amazing and valuable Silk is, she’s still a top tier science champ but I think Jess is on her level and she can be used as a defender. I guess we’ll see but I had to do this same thing when Silk dropped and people were calling her overrated
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 1,029 ★★★★
    edited June 26
    Silk
    Just took them all into rol right now
    Spider woman after sp2 sp1 rotation

    Final results

    Silk after sp1 sp2 rotation

    Keep in mind, with BG increased relic duration this fight would've just ended after an sp2 and a combo after but here you go.
    I even threw in a Titania there
    KEEP IN MIND MY TITANIA IS RANK 2


    There ya go buddy

    And don't even dare tell me its because my spider woman is unduped.
    Her dupe has ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE for this matchup and is mostly helpful for mystics
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