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GENTLEman buff

MontycarloMontycarlo Member Posts: 85 ★★
edited June 23 in General Discussion

For now this what's every player is feeling pulling him from titan apart from usual RH and MS.
He desperately needs a buff other then a bullseye counter. Atleast give him gurrenteed crit on spcl 2 along with complete removal of recoil damage. A 6* CGR has done more damage without any nonsense recoil then this guy in 2025. How can Kabam employee who designed this even thought this was a good idea? Don't tell me it's someone who designed the new WOF content.
He definitely needs a rework or buff
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  • MontycarloMontycarlo Member Posts: 85 ★★
    Robobot said:

    TheUglyone123 said:

    There’s already been a thread on this subject. And no, gentle does not need a buff. He’s a great attacker and defender. I have my gentle at R3 and he tears it up everywhere I have used him

    I also have a r3 gentle and counting all the times I have used him, there is no way in hell that he is as consistent as you claim him to be. Bro can barely nuke his matchups much less anything outside of his hard counters and you can't try to nuke in bgs because there's the constant worry of "will all his hits crit" and if one the hits doesn't crit his damage goes from good to bad real fast god forbid he hits anything less than 3 crits because then his damage is awful (which this has happened to me a TON).
    In this game there's rng in pulling a certain champ and if you get a dud like him then there's added rng of will this work or not even when you play perfectly. Honestly it's bad design in 2025. They need to either make him solid defender like enchantress/ zola who can be used as attacker but mainly defence or make him a solid attacker like okoye or bastian. Don't make him mid for god sake
  • TheUglyone123TheUglyone123 Member Posts: 703 ★★★★
    Robobot said:

    TheUglyone123 said:

    There’s already been a thread on this subject. And no, gentle does not need a buff. He’s a great attacker and defender. I have my gentle at R3 and he tears it up everywhere I have used him

    I also have a r3 gentle and counting all the times I have used him, there is no way in hell that he is as consistent as you claim him to be. Bro can barely nuke his matchups much less anything outside of his hard counters and you can't try to nuke in bgs because there's the constant worry of "will all his hits crit" and if one the hits doesn't crit his damage goes from good to bad real fast god forbid he hits anything less than 3 crits because then his damage is awful (which this has happened to me a TON).
    Then either you’re playing him wrong or super unlucky. Nearly every match I have used him has gone well, on defense or offense. If I don’t think the first special 2 will kill, I use a light combo ender, save some hp, then build back up to a sp2 and sometimes even before then they are dead. I also can keep my muscle mass up pretty consistently. Not to mention he is an incredible stall on defense. Either way, he gets usage in BGs
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 6,303 ★★★★★
    There's no need for recoils,
    Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.

    Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.

    So bad.
  • Ragnaruk5178Ragnaruk5178 Member Posts: 623 ★★★
    Exactly what @PT_99 said. Or give him guaranteed crits his sp2 damage isn’t even guaranteed without crits.
  • Ragnaruk5178Ragnaruk5178 Member Posts: 623 ★★★
    I used to hype him up until I got him. His damage is so inconsistent it’s pathetic. He’s not even the best bullseye counter as intended, as the dude gets so tanky with his physical resistance
  • RobobotRobobot Member Posts: 89 ★
    TheUglyone123 said:

    Robobot said:

    TheUglyone123 said:

    There’s already been a thread on this subject. And no, gentle does not need a buff. He’s a great attacker and defender. I have my gentle at R3 and he tears it up everywhere I have used him

    I also have a r3 gentle and counting all the times I have used him, there is no way in hell that he is as consistent as you claim him to be. Bro can barely nuke his matchups much less anything outside of his hard counters and you can't try to nuke in bgs because there's the constant worry of "will all his hits crit" and if one the hits doesn't crit his damage goes from good to bad real fast god forbid he hits anything less than 3 crits because then his damage is awful (which this has happened to me a TON).
    Then either you’re playing him wrong or super unlucky. Nearly every match I have used him has gone well, on defense or offense. If I don’t think the first special 2 will kill, I use a light combo ender, save some hp, then build back up to a sp2 and sometimes even before then they are dead. I also can keep my muscle mass up pretty consistently. Not to mention he is an incredible stall on defense. Either way, he gets usage in BGs
    I would like some consistent footage of gentle actually killing in good time. It's pretty damn hard to use him wrong since it's just hitting the opponent and reaching to sp2 and again the sp2 is inconsistent as hell. If 1 hit doesn't crit his damage tanks so it's hard to estimate whether it will kill or not. Using to sp2s with gentle would probably reach you 60-70 seconds which is mediocre and the only time he is considered a "nuke" is when you have perfect muscle mass + crit rng. His potential is great but he is unreliable as hell and overall just a meh champ.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 6,502 ★★★★★
    edited June 23
    TheUglyone123 said:

    Robobot said:

    TheUglyone123 said:

    There’s already been a thread on this subject. And no, gentle does not need a buff. He’s a great attacker and defender. I have my gentle at R3 and he tears it up everywhere I have used him

    I also have a r3 gentle and counting all the times I have used him, there is no way in hell that he is as consistent as you claim him to be. Bro can barely nuke his matchups much less anything outside of his hard counters and you can't try to nuke in bgs because there's the constant worry of "will all his hits crit" and if one the hits doesn't crit his damage goes from good to bad real fast god forbid he hits anything less than 3 crits because then his damage is awful (which this has happened to me a TON).
    Then either you’re playing him wrong or super unlucky. Nearly every match I have used him has gone well, on defense or offense. If I don’t think the first special 2 will kill, I use a light combo ender, save some hp, then build back up to a sp2 and sometimes even before then they are dead. I also can keep my muscle mass up pretty consistently. Not to mention he is an incredible stall on defense. Either way, he gets usage in BGs
    r3 Gentle here too, use him almost every meta in BGs but I can't pretend he's consistent with his crits and people are just unlucky lol he is everything but consistent, I used to think he was back when I had just started using him but now I've definitely changed my mind. I used to do sp1 sp2 rotation before and it never killed so now I'm just forced to do two sp2s, it's not bad but the risk reward ratio is off. Sp2 should have guaranteed crits at max muscle mass not just 5.5k rating.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,964 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    PT_99 said:

    There's no need for recoils,
    Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.

    Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.

    So bad.

    It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
    Is there also comic book lore on why green Falcon is so bad? Or how leader is scuffed version of count neferia?
    Or why Kate Bishop is better than Hawkeye?
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,964 ★★★★★
    He does not need a buff. The recoil damage can be mitigated by his signature ability at a high sig level
  • RobobotRobobot Member Posts: 89 ★
    EdisonLaw said:

    He does not need a buff. The recoil damage can be mitigated by his signature ability at a high sig level

    I could care less about his recoil if he was actually consistent. Hitting 3/4 crits could make a bgs match last 30 seconds long than if he had gotten 4/4 crits and his sp2 was designed to hit more crits than non crits because his crit damage rating gets halved but increases his critical rating by a considerable amount. The design choice for his sp2 was just poor.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,964 ★★★★★
    Robobot said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    He does not need a buff. The recoil damage can be mitigated by his signature ability at a high sig level

    I could care less about his recoil if he was actually consistent. Hitting 3/4 crits could make a bgs match last 30 seconds long than if he had gotten 4/4 crits and his sp2 was designed to hit more crits than non crits because his crit damage rating gets halved but increases his critical rating by a considerable amount. The design choice for his sp2 was just poor.
    Or if the sp2 had garaunteed crits
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,611 Guardian
    edited June 23
    (Just out from Kabam)

    Gentle is NOT getting buffed (nor nerfed).

    (but wish they would have changed Okoye to take away her “double hit” hits)

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/397888/balance-update-okoye-and-gentle#latest
  • GilbertoJuniorGilbertoJunior Member Posts: 284 ★
    EdisonLaw said:

    He does not need a buff. The recoil damage can be mitigated by his signature ability at a high sig level

    Try to Sig 200 a recent champion and even more that Gentle Awakening only have 1 ultility and sigs scale horrible
  • GilbertoJuniorGilbertoJunior Member Posts: 284 ★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Robobot said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    He does not need a buff. The recoil damage can be mitigated by his signature ability at a high sig level

    I could care less about his recoil if he was actually consistent. Hitting 3/4 crits could make a bgs match last 30 seconds long than if he had gotten 4/4 crits and his sp2 was designed to hit more crits than non crits because his crit damage rating gets halved but increases his critical rating by a considerable amount. The design choice for his sp2 was just poor.
    Or if the sp2 had garaunteed crits


    They could leave the recoil untouched and simply make the S2 guareented crit and remove the Crit damage nerf, even the Awakening wouldn't be a necessary because if you knock out the opponent during the special you would not take the recoil
  • GilbertoJuniorGilbertoJunior Member Posts: 284 ★
    WednesdayLength said:

    PT_99 said:

    There's no need for recoils,
    Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.

    Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.

    So bad.

    It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
    Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,195 ★★★★★
    GilbertoJunior said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    PT_99 said:

    There's no need for recoils,
    Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.

    Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.

    So bad.

    It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
    Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
    Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
  • GilbertoJuniorGilbertoJunior Member Posts: 284 ★
    Buttehrs said:

    GilbertoJunior said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    PT_99 said:

    There's no need for recoils,
    Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.

    Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.

    So bad.

    It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
    Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
    Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
    Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk

    and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.

    Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,195 ★★★★★
    GilbertoJunior said:

    Buttehrs said:

    GilbertoJunior said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    PT_99 said:

    There's no need for recoils,
    Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.

    Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.

    So bad.

    It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
    Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
    Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
    Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk

    and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.

    Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
    Immortal hulk is not devil hulk. They're two separate identities of his personas. Regardless of that fact, gentle works absolutely fine the way he is. Just because YOU don't like doesn't mean its not a good working kit. Not every champ will appeal to every player. That's never changed.
  • RobobotRobobot Member Posts: 89 ★
    Buttehrs said:

    GilbertoJunior said:

    Buttehrs said:

    GilbertoJunior said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    PT_99 said:

    There's no need for recoils,
    Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.

    Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.

    So bad.

    It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
    Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
    Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
    Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk

    and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.

    Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
    Immortal hulk is not devil hulk. They're two separate identities of his personas. Regardless of that fact, gentle works absolutely fine the way he is. Just because YOU don't like doesn't mean its not a good working kit. Not every champ will appeal to every player. That's never changed.
    Tbh tho gentles kit doesn't work, it's very controversial. A champ that's main purpose is to counter bullseye does physical damage (bullseye has very high phys resistance). Recoil is a mechanic that allows your champion to do an overwhelming amount of special damage but punish you by removing health each time it is used, however gentle gets his critical damage rating halved during his special 2 ultimately resulting in below average damage. The most damage he can do is 300k in a special 2 using the sp3 rotation and that's BAD for a 7* r3. He isn't a nuke either because he is incredibly inconsistent with muscle mass rng and sp2 rng. It's not like people don't like his kit, he is just unreliable as hell with very little payoff.
  • GilbertoJuniorGilbertoJunior Member Posts: 284 ★
    Buttehrs said:

    GilbertoJunior said:

    Buttehrs said:

    GilbertoJunior said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    PT_99 said:

    There's no need for recoils,
    Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.

    Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.

    So bad.

    It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
    Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
    Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
    Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk

    and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.

    Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
    Immortal hulk is not devil hulk. They're two separate identities of his personas. Regardless of that fact, gentle works absolutely fine the way he is. Just because YOU don't like doesn't mean its not a good working kit. Not every champ will appeal to every player. That's never changed.

    Immortal Hulk is the name of the saga and the story to beggin with,the immortal Hulk in game is Devil Hulk in the control of Hulks body and thats confirmed in the Event Quest from when he was released,is basicly the same story as the comic and we even fight Maestro and Joe Fixit inside the Hulk mind

    And is not that i don't like Gentle,i hate how they don't have reason or justification for those mechanics and still put on him, The amount of Drawback is extremely uncessary and end just as a bad idea that locks a realy cool looking champion behind weaknesses he shouldn't have,and I'm not the only person complaining about this on social media as much on places like Reddit, Discord or Forum itself, this thread have people saying they don't like it too
  • GilbertoJuniorGilbertoJunior Member Posts: 284 ★


    Gambit Relic and the last Meta even against Bullseye i took 2 S3 on face beaucase my S2 din't kill even when was same rarity Bullseye
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