There still a lot of time till there,but for now lets adress the Bird in the room

GilbertoJunior · June 26

His Balance and Zola will likely only come out next year but since many of us are already many decisions the balance programm have taken over these last months soo what do we think for Joaquim Torres Falcon future

GilbertoJunior · June 26

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No ins't, Kabam boost his debuffs potency and give the man an Anti miss and more debilitate for Enchantress

Montycarlo · June 26

If Kabam ain't buffing GENTLEman and he is basically a hard counter to bullseye. Then Sure shot Kabam is gonna give excuse of this looser to be "working as intended" to counter enchantress. Very bad direction this game is going nowadays.

Pikolu · June 26

The only change I'd like is give him a way to place traumas without the slow because a whole class and other champions, like the destroyer, who are immune to slow completely shut him down.

Buttehrs · June 26

Pikolu said:
The only change I'd like is give him a way to place traumas without the slow because a whole class and other champions, like the destroyer, who are immune to slow completely shut him down.

That's typically how the whole class system has worked for the majority of the games life though. Otherwise, why bother with a class system at all? I get having a few within the class be resistant to the class that is in theory supposed to be better than it.

GilbertoJunior · June 26

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Pikolu said:
The only change I'd like is give him a way to place traumas without the slow because a whole class and other champions, like the destroyer, who are immune to slow completely shut him down.

This that many already talked before and his traumas also counting for his Beak performance,i just don't see why they need to put a specific debuff on S3 for them to count,they make such difference to keep it up

PT_99 · June 26

No,They won't buff him beaucase he fits what the expected him to be

Nah let him be dud,
We already got hard counter for Enche in SpiderWoman,
He's useless and let him be.

EdisonLaw · June 26

Yes,he needs some tune up to keep with today content

Buttehrs said:

Pikolu said:
The only change I'd like is give him a way to place traumas without the slow because a whole class and other champions, like the destroyer, who are immune to slow completely shut him down.
That's typically how the whole class system has worked for the majority of the games life though. Otherwise, why bother with a class system at all? I get having a few within the class be resistant to the class that is in theory supposed to be better than it.

But Destroyer is a mystic champ immune to slow

WednesdayLength · June 26

Buttehrs said:

Pikolu said:
The only change I'd like is give him a way to place traumas without the slow because a whole class and other champions, like the destroyer, who are immune to slow completely shut him down.
That's typically how the whole class system has worked for the majority of the games life though. Otherwise, why bother with a class system at all? I get having a few within the class be resistant to the class that is in theory supposed to be better than it.

I'm not entirely disagreeing with you but the idea that class dynamics like this have always been in the game is a little off. Obviously mystic champions nullify cosmic buffs, but realistically until like 2018/19 class relationships were mostly just a 10% buff/ nerf.

WednesdayLength · June 26

He feels pretty close to pre buff patriot in terms of doing what he's supposed to be, gentle objectively works and can be an annoying 2 way champ, I think if any champ is gonna get rebalanced this year it would Joaquin

GilbertoJunior · June 26

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WednesdayLength said:
He feels pretty close to pre buff patriot in terms of doing what he's supposed to be, gentle objectively works and can be an annoying 2 way champ, I think if any champ is gonna get rebalanced this year it would Joaquin

More like Next year unless they do his buff around end of the year,4 months but they do take a time

And still the tought of what they gonna change if they buff him

ItsClobberinTime · June 26

Yes,he needs some tune up to keep with today content

GilbertoJunior said:

No ins't, Kabam boost his debuffs potency and give the man an Anti miss and more debilitate for Enchantress

This guy has a thing for making meta defenders completely and utterly useless, no wonder he was asking for guaranteed crits on Gentle's sp2 as if shutting down everything Bullseye has in his kit wasn't already enough lmao nope he has to be able to do it in 30 seconds too or else he's mid.
Joaquin definitely needs a buff I have a sig 20, but this is too much 💀

Chuck_Finley · June 26

WednesdayLength said:
He feels pretty close to pre buff patriot in terms of doing what he's supposed to be, gentle objectively works and can be an annoying 2 way champ, I think if any champ is gonna get rebalanced this year it would Joaquin

The least effective new champ since Patriot is all that needs to be said. Leaving him untouched accomplishes only one thing - it saves Red hulk from being the only absolute dud in this current titan pool.

GilbertoJunior · June 26

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ItsClobberinTime said:

GilbertoJunior said:

No ins't, Kabam boost his debuffs potency and give the man an Anti miss and more debilitate for Enchantress
This guy has a thing for making meta defenders completely and utterly useless, no wonder he was asking for guaranteed crits on Gentle's sp2 as if shutting down everything Bullseye has in his kit wasn't already enough lmao nope he has to be able to do it in 30 seconds too or else he's mid.
Joaquin definitely needs a buff I have a sig 20, but this is too much 💀

I never said Gentle was mid i said he was incosistent and he is,i have R5 6* Ascended beaucase i like him, Making his crit guareented without the self crit damage still not the problem you made out to be previously

"Joaquim definitly needs a buff but this is too much" a 6* star version of character i wanted having high sig that i accumulated and where expiring or simply the changes i asked but din't gave the numbers?

BeastDad · June 26

Yes,he needs some tune up to keep with today content

He is completely under powered and needs a significant buff to be relevant.

WednesdayLength · June 26

GilbertoJunior said:

WednesdayLength said:
He feels pretty close to pre buff patriot in terms of doing what he's supposed to be, gentle objectively works and can be an annoying 2 way champ, I think if any champ is gonna get rebalanced this year it would Joaquin
More like Next year unless they do his buff around end of the year,4 months but they do take a time

And still the tought of what they gonna change if they buff him

It'll likely be the end of the year or January. I would imagine if they changed him it would be close to a spider punk buff of simply increasing his potencies and durations

WednesdayLength · June 26

Chuck_Finley said:

WednesdayLength said:
He feels pretty close to pre buff patriot in terms of doing what he's supposed to be, gentle objectively works and can be an annoying 2 way champ, I think if any champ is gonna get rebalanced this year it would Joaquin
The least effective new champ since Patriot is all that needs to be said. Leaving him untouched accomplishes only one thing - it saves Red hulk from being the only absolute dud in this current titan pool.

Joaquin is way better than red hulk. I get people only care about the best new champs but he's not bad by any means, he's just a little under tuned on offense

WednesdayLength · June 26

GilbertoJunior said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GilbertoJunior said:

No ins't, Kabam boost his debuffs potency and give the man an Anti miss and more debilitate for Enchantress
This guy has a thing for making meta defenders completely and utterly useless, no wonder he was asking for guaranteed crits on Gentle's sp2 as if shutting down everything Bullseye has in his kit wasn't already enough lmao nope he has to be able to do it in 30 seconds too or else he's mid.
Joaquin definitely needs a buff I have a sig 20, but this is too much 💀
I never said Gentle was mid i said he was incosistent and he is,i have R5 6* Ascended beaucase i like him, Making his crit guareented without the self crit damage still not the problem you made out to be previously

"Joaquim definitly needs a buff but this is too much" a 6* star version of character i wanted having high sig that i accumulated and where expiring or simply the changes i asked but din't gave the numbers?

They're never going to get rid of gentle's damage back because that's a part of his kit design. I predict his value will only continue to rise once people get him at a higher sig more availably

GilbertoJunior · June 26

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BeastDad said:
He is completely under powered and needs a significant buff to be relevant.
WednesdayLength said:

GilbertoJunior said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GilbertoJunior said:

No ins't, Kabam boost his debuffs potency and give the man an Anti miss and more debilitate for Enchantress
This guy has a thing for making meta defenders completely and utterly useless, no wonder he was asking for guaranteed crits on Gentle's sp2 as if shutting down everything Bullseye has in his kit wasn't already enough lmao nope he has to be able to do it in 30 seconds too or else he's mid.
Joaquin definitely needs a buff I have a sig 20, but this is too much 💀
I never said Gentle was mid i said he was incosistent and he is,i have R5 6* Ascended beaucase i like him, Making his crit guareented without the self crit damage still not the problem you made out to be previously

"Joaquim definitly needs a buff but this is too much" a 6* star version of character i wanted having high sig that i accumulated and where expiring or simply the changes i asked but din't gave the numbers?
They're never going to get rid of gentle's damage back because that's a part of his kit design. I predict his value will only continue to rise once people get him at a higher sig more availably
They getting rid or not won't make difference now and still a bad design choice for a draw back, and why you keep hammering on it when myself said the Recoil could be left untouched if his S2 was guareented damage when losing HP

ItsClobberinTime · June 26

Yes,he needs some tune up to keep with today content

GilbertoJunior said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GilbertoJunior said:

No ins't, Kabam boost his debuffs potency and give the man an Anti miss and more debilitate for Enchantress
This guy has a thing for making meta defenders completely and utterly useless, no wonder he was asking for guaranteed crits on Gentle's sp2 as if shutting down everything Bullseye has in his kit wasn't already enough lmao nope he has to be able to do it in 30 seconds too or else he's mid.
Joaquin definitely needs a buff I have a sig 20, but this is too much 💀
I never said Gentle was mid i said he was incosistent and he is,i have R5 6* Ascended beaucase i like him, Making his crit guareented without the self crit damage still not the problem you made out to be previously

"Joaquim definitly needs a buff but this is too much" a 6* star version of character i wanted having high sig that i accumulated and where expiring or simply the changes i asked but din't gave the numbers?

Making him kill Bullseye and other defenders like Onslaught and Photon in 35 seconds isn't a problem when he already shuts down Bullseye's abilities entirely and he's a solid defender? Thank God you're not in charge of balance lol I have a r3 sig 80 and he doesn't need guaranteed crits that would make him absolutely busted.

Joaquin needs a buff I don't disagree, but you asking for them to give him miss counter + more debilitates + more potency is funny. Basically you want him to shut down Enchantress 100%, have a braindead playstyle and ignore everything in her kit.

GilbertoJunior · June 26

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ItsClobberinTime said:

GilbertoJunior said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GilbertoJunior said:

No ins't, Kabam boost his debuffs potency and give the man an Anti miss and more debilitate for Enchantress
This guy has a thing for making meta defenders completely and utterly useless, no wonder he was asking for guaranteed crits on Gentle's sp2 as if shutting down everything Bullseye has in his kit wasn't already enough lmao nope he has to be able to do it in 30 seconds too or else he's mid.
Joaquin definitely needs a buff I have a sig 20, but this is too much 💀
I never said Gentle was mid i said he was incosistent and he is,i have R5 6* Ascended beaucase i like him, Making his crit guareented without the self crit damage still not the problem you made out to be previously

"Joaquim definitly needs a buff but this is too much" a 6* star version of character i wanted having high sig that i accumulated and where expiring or simply the changes i asked but din't gave the numbers?
Making him kill Bullseye and other defenders like Onslaught and Photon in 35 seconds isn't a problem when he already shuts down Bullseye's abilities entirely and he's a solid defender? Thank God you're not in charge of balance lol I have a r3 sig 80 and he doesn't need guaranteed crits that would make him absolutely busted.

Joaquin needs a buff I don't disagree, but you asking for them to give him miss counter + more debilitates + more potency is funny. Basically you want him to shut down Enchantress 100%, have a braindead playstyle and ignore everything in her kit.

Once again you are making a issue looks way bigger than it is, Joaquim being a hard enchantress counter is 0 problem since Spider woman exist and people already counter her with other Non science characters, even with a counter she can screw you is not a guareented victory even against a 2-3 stars

Oh no, more 3-4% Buff potency like they did with Spider Punk what a brain dead buff that will kill the champion design , i also thanks I'm not on ther balance or design team beaucase damn people would clow on me for doing basic changes in a character kit

hungryhungrybbq · June 26

Montycarlo said:
If Kabam ain't buffing GENTLEman and he is basically a hard counter to bullseye. Then Sure shot Kabam is gonna give excuse of this looser to be "working as intended" to counter enchantress. Very bad direction this game is going nowadays.

Gentle is actually a good champ though lol

GilbertoJunior · June 26

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ItsClobberinTime said:

GilbertoJunior said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GilbertoJunior said:

No ins't, Kabam boost his debuffs potency and give the man an Anti miss and more debilitate for Enchantress
This guy has a thing for making meta defenders completely and utterly useless, no wonder he was asking for guaranteed crits on Gentle's sp2 as if shutting down everything Bullseye has in his kit wasn't already enough lmao nope he has to be able to do it in 30 seconds too or else he's mid.
Joaquin definitely needs a buff I have a sig 20, but this is too much 💀
I never said Gentle was mid i said he was incosistent and he is,i have R5 6* Ascended beaucase i like him, Making his crit guareented without the self crit damage still not the problem you made out to be previously

"Joaquim definitly needs a buff but this is too much" a 6* star version of character i wanted having high sig that i accumulated and where expiring or simply the changes i asked but din't gave the numbers?
Making him kill Bullseye and other defenders like Onslaught and Photon in 35 seconds isn't a problem when he already shuts down Bullseye's abilities entirely and he's a solid defender? Thank God you're not in charge of balance lol I have a r3 sig 80 and he doesn't need guaranteed crits that would make him absolutely busted.

This wouldn't make a single difference since they release new Nukes and new defenders anyways soo why bother soo much with a specific champion getting 2 changes for consistency

"But he would be busted and take the defenders in less than 40 seconds" And what's new? What would stop them from not doing the same with next month champion?

they are releasing 7* Torch and his already showing to be a problem for a intire class and half of nowdays defenders, Gentle being a Nuke is just another number in the code then why insist soo much him in specific being a problem

GilbertoJunior · June 26

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hungryhungrybbq said:

Montycarlo said:
If Kabam ain't buffing GENTLEman and he is basically a hard counter to bullseye. Then Sure shot Kabam is gonna give excuse of this looser to be "working as intended" to counter enchantress. Very bad direction this game is going nowadays.
Gentle is actually a good champ though lol

Some champions are good but they could get buffs or tune ups in certain abilities

hungryhungrybbq · June 26

GilbertoJunior said:

hungryhungrybbq said:

Montycarlo said:
If Kabam ain't buffing GENTLEman and he is basically a hard counter to bullseye. Then Sure shot Kabam is gonna give excuse of this looser to be "working as intended" to counter enchantress. Very bad direction this game is going nowadays.
Gentle is actually a good champ though lol

Some champions are good but they could get buffs or tune ups in certain abilities

Like what? What does Gentle need?

hungryhungrybbq · June 26

I'm honestly surprised people don't like Gentle.. because the modern trend is that players like champs who make troublesome defenders a potato - it's never been my style to chase counter attackers.. I usually prefer to use game play to counter defenders when possible, though modern defender design is absolutely trending away from this

But Gentle is the first champ I've actually ranked and used that is such a hard counter to a defender.. which seems to be what people are after now days.. I remember thinking I could start a war fight against BE.. put my phone down, to feed my cat and come back and start fighting and still win lol

But yeah, unfortunately mcoc is becoming more of a card game than a fighting game lately

GilbertoJunior · June 26

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hungryhungrybbq said:

GilbertoJunior said:

hungryhungrybbq said:

Montycarlo said:
If Kabam ain't buffing GENTLEman and he is basically a hard counter to bullseye. Then Sure shot Kabam is gonna give excuse of this looser to be "working as intended" to counter enchantress. Very bad direction this game is going nowadays.
Gentle is actually a good champ though lol

Some champions are good but they could get buffs or tune ups in certain abilities
Like what? What does Gentle need?

Consistency on the S2 for short to medium form content Aka BGs, basicly guareented crit on S2 when you have max Ramp of muscle mass and remove the flat 50% crit damage nerf (Don't know why they tought that last part was comic accurate or a good drawback)

GilbertoJunior · June 26

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hungryhungrybbq said:
I'm honestly surprised people don't like Gentle.. because the modern trend is that players like champs who make troublesome defenders a potato - it's never been my style to chase counter attackers.. I usually prefer to use game play to counter defenders when possible, though modern defender design is absolutely trending away from this

But Gentle is the first champ I've actually ranked and used that is such a hard counter to a defender.. which seems to be what people are after now days.. I remember thinking I could start a war fight against BE.. put my phone down, to feed my cat and come back and start fighting and still win lol

But yeah, unfortunately mcoc is becoming more of a card game than a fighting game lately

Is not that people don't Like him,they don't like his RNG reliance, can people just stop thinking that just beaucase people are critizing a champion that they hate or don't like the champion

hungryhungrybbq · June 26

GilbertoJunior said:

hungryhungrybbq said:
I'm honestly surprised people don't like Gentle.. because the modern trend is that players like champs who make troublesome defenders a potato - it's never been my style to chase counter attackers.. I usually prefer to use game play to counter defenders when possible, though modern defender design is absolutely trending away from this

But Gentle is the first champ I've actually ranked and used that is such a hard counter to a defender.. which seems to be what people are after now days.. I remember thinking I could start a war fight against BE.. put my phone down, to feed my cat and come back and start fighting and still win lol

But yeah, unfortunately mcoc is becoming more of a card game than a fighting game lately
Is not that people don't Like him,they don't like his RNG reliance, can people just stop thinking that just beaucase people are critizing a champion that they hate or don't like the champion

In BGs you just have to make a decision, do you think the sp2 will kill or not? If so, keep 12 Mass.. if not, drop one, but any other game mode won't matter.. just always launch at 12

BGs is literally the only game mode where health matters.. but in BGs I'm often using him on defense if I draft him? Idk.. why the emphasis on wanting to use him as an attacker in BGs against a non ideal matchup?

WednesdayLength · June 26

GilbertoJunior said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GilbertoJunior said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GilbertoJunior said:

No ins't, Kabam boost his debuffs potency and give the man an Anti miss and more debilitate for Enchantress
This guy has a thing for making meta defenders completely and utterly useless, no wonder he was asking for guaranteed crits on Gentle's sp2 as if shutting down everything Bullseye has in his kit wasn't already enough lmao nope he has to be able to do it in 30 seconds too or else he's mid.
Joaquin definitely needs a buff I have a sig 20, but this is too much 💀
I never said Gentle was mid i said he was incosistent and he is,i have R5 6* Ascended beaucase i like him, Making his crit guareented without the self crit damage still not the problem you made out to be previously

"Joaquim definitly needs a buff but this is too much" a 6* star version of character i wanted having high sig that i accumulated and where expiring or simply the changes i asked but din't gave the numbers?
Making him kill Bullseye and other defenders like Onslaught and Photon in 35 seconds isn't a problem when he already shuts down Bullseye's abilities entirely and he's a solid defender? Thank God you're not in charge of balance lol I have a r3 sig 80 and he doesn't need guaranteed crits that would make him absolutely busted.

Joaquin needs a buff I don't disagree, but you asking for them to give him miss counter + more debilitates + more potency is funny. Basically you want him to shut down Enchantress 100%, have a braindead playstyle and ignore everything in her kit.
Once again you are making a issue looks way bigger than it is, Joaquim being a hard enchantress counter is 0 problem since Spider woman exist and people already counter her with other Non science characters, even with a counter she can screw you is not a guareented victory even against a 2-3 stars

Oh no, more 3-4% Buff potency like they did with Spider Punk what a brain dead buff that will kill the champion design , i also thanks I'm not on ther balance or design team beaucase damn people would clow on me for doing basic changes in a character kit

Being a hard enchantress counter isnt what hes designed to be though.

WednesdayLength · June 26

GilbertoJunior said:

hungryhungrybbq said:

GilbertoJunior said:

hungryhungrybbq said:

Montycarlo said:
If Kabam ain't buffing GENTLEman and he is basically a hard counter to bullseye. Then Sure shot Kabam is gonna give excuse of this looser to be "working as intended" to counter enchantress. Very bad direction this game is going nowadays.
Gentle is actually a good champ though lol

Some champions are good but they could get buffs or tune ups in certain abilities
Like what? What does Gentle need?
Consistency on the S2 for short to medium form content Aka BGs, basicly guareented crit on S2 when you have max Ramp of muscle mass and remove the flat 50% crit damage nerf (Don't know why they tought that last part was comic accurate or a good drawback)

The crit damage reduction is because the reverb already doubles his damage output and probably a bit more given how it works with daunted

There still a lot of time till there,but for now lets adress the Bird in the room

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