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My take on the Wheel of Fate

Dr. CrabDr. Crab Member Posts: 867 ★★★★
edited June 29 in General Discussion
Full disclaimer, before I give my take, I have a very well developed roster. I tend to rank up champs that I like over just being the best and…I have a high ranked Wong, this is very important for this challenge.

So, I there’s been a lot of ire towards this piece of content (I was not a fan either when it came out) but after completing it, I can say with confidence, I think it’s over hated. Now, that’s not the same as sayings it’s great but it is I think getting a bit to much hate. Here’s my quick break down of the good, the bad and a few tips.

First, the good:

If you look at the rewards as a complete thing, not as a path by path thing, they are actually quite good. It took me about 7-8 hours to do all of it and if you look at what you get in totality, it’s actually quit good relative to effort.

Also, after that first run, you really have those fights figured out and aside from a couple, they can be fun and doable by really anyone. I would recommend, if you do not have a champ that perfectly counters the given defender, just bring in the one with the highest damage. You may have to spend 5 or so revives but you’ll get them down.

The Bad:

Gorr, second path should not be there. I just don’t see how you can complete this quest without a high ranked Wong. Now, they did give him out for free in the December calendar but if you missed out for some reason and don’t have him, this content is basically a non starter.

The rewards for path one are so disproportionately bad. Again, I believe the way they designed this content was more like, path one is your practice path. Get to know the fights and go back in with more limited champs, but I will say, that just didn’t feel good after all that effort.

I personally don’t think Spiral was a well designed fight. There was just too much going there to really make it feel like you had control. Be warned, unless your MSD, that one is probably going to be a unit suck.

Tips:

The biggest tips I could share would be these three things:

1) Quickly take a look at all the champs you can use for each fight and ask yourself, do I have a good counter for this one, if yes, save that champ for that fight. If not, and here’s the tip, pick your strongest champ that’s not a counter down the road and just go all out in damage. You may loose some revives but you’ll get it down.

2) I believe many of us, myself included are just tired of reading paragraphs of nodes. We just jump in and hope for the best. Don’t, read the nodes, think about them. Most of these fights are actually pretty fair and solo-able. Take the time and understand the fights.

3) Rank your your Wong. Come one guys, he’s like the unsung hero of the last 2 years of content. This is no different. Do it (Shia Labeouf)!

So, again, I can’t say I loved this content, I didn’t but I didn’t hate it and I don’t think it’s deserving of the hate it’s getting. It’s not the best, not the worst but actually, pretty great rewards for the effort. No content has to be done, but, take a second look at this one if you have 20 or 30 revives in the overflow, these rewards are definitely better than them expiring, right?
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  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,788 Guardian
    2nd path gorr is really easy with Void too, if you have him duped it is super easy. Don't just need wong for him
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 7,959 ★★★★★
    edited June 29
    Did they give wong for free? When?
    You probably had him and didn't notice the 10x10.
    R1 wong and r1 duped void can solo this.
    A forum memeber used adam to nuke him out in few revives.
    For me. Q1 spiral R2 Dshulk did her in 1 revive.
    Q2 r3 Bullseye did in one revive, I saw Luke solos.
    Q3 R2 Shuri soloed spiral.
    I struggled vs Q2 bullseye and Thanos.
    And on Q3 dazzler, i was just annoyed.
    ....

    Planning is key. It's not monthly eq where you go blind and smash screen.
    Some players are gonna hate endgame content anyway. Many of those are phony endgamers. They think they are, but nowwhere close to be one. Every single time there are whining threads when a new content or a boss drops. There are always gonna be hard pushes required without roster depth. We take the revive tax and move forward.
    ....
    Congrats on the run and

    Welcome to the non overreacting side.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,448 ★★★★★
    Man I absolutely despise the dust fight. I always hate dust but whoever decided to put dust on unblockable node is my enemy. Dust fight is absolute bs in second path without a counter. Pheonix bi*** hits like a pillow it took me more than 10 revives to get her down.

    That arcade mf is another annoying fight with serpent. I have no idea how I'm gonna fight arcade and dust without counters in quest 3 lmao.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,448 ★★★★★
    Also you can do it just with a r1 wong too no need to rank him up. But once you max out all spells just go for sp3 instead of sp2 for the fateseals, since the regen is too high to manage. I did with a r2 and after a 50 tries approx I got a solo. After maxing out spells you literally won't die and with fateseals up you can block whenever you want without worrying bout getting debuffs on you.
  • MystGMystG Member Posts: 151
    Dust is easy in quest 3 with Wwbn. It was like 2 revives. Don't hit block, don't worry about unblockable if you're only baiting sp1s. Even if she goes to two bars, Wwbns specials and combos are long enough to run out the unblockable time and he's tanky as hell.

    Arcade was hard in quest 1 since I didn't know how to dex his sp1 so spent 10 or so revives. Then I learnt it and got soloes in quests 2 & 3 With Wwbn and g2099. Pretty straightforward fight.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,448 ★★★★★
    MystG said:

    Dust is easy in quest 3 with Wwbn. It was like 2 revives. Don't hit block, don't worry about unblockable if you're only baiting sp1s. Even if she goes to two bars, Wwbns specials and combos are long enough to run out the unblockable time and he's tanky as hell.

    Arcade was hard in quest 1 since I didn't know how to dex his sp1 so spent 10 or so revives. Then I learnt it and got soloes in quests 2 & 3 With Wwbn and g2099. Pretty straightforward fight.

    How to counter his Armor up and glancing? With wwbn it's more hits and more glancing. And I don't know how to punish her sp1 that's part of the problem lol.

    How rintrah works I have him at r3 and wwbn at r2 who should I use for dusty
  • JohnnooooooJohnnoooooo Member Posts: 298 ★★★
    edited June 29
    I managed a good solo with R2 Wong on gorr... Cycle his sp3 then sp2s when he starts getting low.
    I heavily boosted too... I struggled the most on path 2 to be honest.. Thor for me was the hardest, but I used punisher, to save my Cyclops for bullseye (nice solo on bullseye with power back boosts)
    It all in all Weren't too bad, I just don't like planning and I wanted to use champs ide enjoy using. lady D was unbearable though until I discovered the power rocket.. wasn't enjoyable, and my titan pulls left a bad taste in my mouth..
    Deffo needed some Sig stones and exp points (don't know if kabam could add those, or imburse those who have finished it already as it's what the quest desperately needs it) but, if you have the roster ranked up, it's ok, I only had to rank up one champ for it and that was rocket. I may have jumped the gun ABIT in earlier posts...
  • MystGMystG Member Posts: 151

    MystG said:

    Dust is easy in quest 3 with Wwbn. It was like 2 revives. Don't hit block, don't worry about unblockable if you're only baiting sp1s. Even if she goes to two bars, Wwbns specials and combos are long enough to run out the unblockable time and he's tanky as hell.

    Arcade was hard in quest 1 since I didn't know how to dex his sp1 so spent 10 or so revives. Then I learnt it and got soloes in quests 2 & 3 With Wwbn and g2099. Pretty straightforward fight.

    How to counter his Armor up and glancing? With wwbn it's more hits and more glancing. And I don't know how to punish her sp1 that's part of the problem lol.

    How rintrah works I have him at r3 and wwbn at r2 who should I use for dusty
    Rintrah can do it too. Basically anyone who has high health and half decent damage works fine.

    Parry is the only way to remove armor ups. I was simply dashing it after her sp1 and it was a success 90% of times, otherwise I'd tank a few hits that's all.

    Start with parry, do 4 hits and intercepts, play aggressive. Activate your root and you can even tank sp2s i believe and then deal high damage. Should be doable in 4-5 or less revives.

    According to me, this is the hardest fight in whole WoF, so it can be brute forced with anyone while saving revives from other fights. I got like 7-8 solos on both of my 2 and 3 runs so I was fine spending bunch of revives on her, Serpent, and enchantress etc.
  • MocamanMocaman Member Posts: 72
    Sorry to hop in the discussion, but id like to ask for an advice please. For the Bullseye in Quest 1, my only options are R2 Sunspot, R2 Warlock, or R2 Man-Thing. Which one would be best? Thanks
  • ErcarretErcarret Member Posts: 3,262 ★★★★★
    I used Deathless Shulk for Spiral on my first go-around, and Bullseye for my second. DSH counters most of the pain points (except the dancing blades themselves), while Bullseye countered the Falter. The first time was a little rough despite DSH probably being the better counter of the two, but I actually had a fairly issue-less fight with Bullseye during the second quest. The main problem for me was the absurd amounts of chip damage you take from trying to parry her, since her dancing blades make it super risky to intercept her.

    Man I absolutely despise the dust fight. I always hate dust but whoever decided to put dust on unblockable node is my enemy. Dust fight is absolute bs in second path without a counter. Pheonix bi*** hits like a pillow it took me more than 10 revives to get her down.

    That arcade mf is another annoying fight with serpent. I have no idea how I'm gonna fight arcade and dust without counters in quest 3 lmao.

    The problem with doing Dust with Phoenix is that you can't rely on your passive stuns since those nullify your buffs too, cramping your damage output severely. However, I used an SP1- SP1-SP2 cycle (and then the inevitable SP3) and it worked fairly well. I still used a few revives but I think my best run took off maybe 60% health, which felt pretty good for an r2 champ.

    As for Arcade with Serpent, that was my choice as well and the first few tries were rough. But I eventually had to learn how to actually fight a stun immune Arcade, which was good and valuable for the future. Once it clicked for me, I almost solo'd the rest of the fight (from maybe 80% health down to around 3%, because I missed a dex in the end). But it took maybe four revives to actually get Arcade down to 80% in the first place.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,448 ★★★★★
    Mocaman said:

    Sorry to hop in the discussion, but id like to ask for an advice please. For the Bullseye in Quest 1, my only options are R2 Sunspot, R2 Warlock, or R2 Man-Thing. Which one would be best? Thanks

    R2 sunspot with boosts can take him out with few revives. Warlock could work as well as he can tank many specials but still I think sunspot can take with less revives
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,448 ★★★★★
    Ercarret said:

    I used Deathless Shulk for Spiral on my first go-around, and Bullseye for my second. DSH counters most of the pain points (except the dancing blades themselves), while Bullseye countered the Falter. The first time was a little rough despite DSH probably being the better counter of the two, but I actually had a fairly issue-less fight with Bullseye during the second quest. The main problem for me was the absurd amounts of chip damage you take from trying to parry her, since her dancing blades make it super risky to intercept her.

    Man I absolutely despise the dust fight. I always hate dust but whoever decided to put dust on unblockable node is my enemy. Dust fight is absolute bs in second path without a counter. Pheonix bi*** hits like a pillow it took me more than 10 revives to get her down.

    That arcade mf is another annoying fight with serpent. I have no idea how I'm gonna fight arcade and dust without counters in quest 3 lmao.

    The problem with doing Dust with Phoenix is that you can't rely on your passive stuns since those nullify your buffs too, cramping your damage output severely. However, I used an SP1- SP1-SP2 cycle (and then the inevitable SP3) and it worked fairly well. I still used a few revives but I think my best run took off maybe 60% health, which felt pretty good for an r2 champ.

    As for Arcade with Serpent, that was my choice as well and the first few tries were rough. But I eventually had to learn how to actually fight a stun immune Arcade, which was good and valuable for the future. Once it clicked for me, I almost solo'd the rest of the fight (from maybe 80% health down to around 3%, because I missed a dex in the end). But it took maybe four revives to actually get Arcade down to 80% in the first place.
    I actually used pheonix heavies to remove armors but since it applies Armor break she goes unblockable almost all the time.

    Spiral is absolute **** too but I played slow against her and that's the only strat. For my first round I used zola and it was stupidly tough the first few tries then eventually he got him down. Second time I used luke which is surprisingly hard even with with luke
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 7,959 ★★★★★
    Mocaman said:

    Sorry to hop in the discussion, but id like to ask for an advice please. For the Bullseye in Quest 1, my only options are R2 Sunspot, R2 Warlock, or R2 Man-Thing. Which one would be best? Thanks

    No need to be sorry... People do help when people can actually ask the right questions with right context just like you did.

    I used r2 sunspot in quest 2 bullseye.
    4 revives, cound be less with better playing and fill Dexing sp1. One of the few fights I used fully healed. Boosts + mutant boosts.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 7,959 ★★★★★


    That arcade mf is another annoying fight with serpent. I have no idea how I'm gonna fight arcade and dust without counters in quest 3 lmao.

    Arcade is not that hard it's just a stun immune one.
    He is so vanilla I don't even remember a node outside stun immunity.
    Used r2 guilly for the solo.
    Treat this fight like the necro carina.
    Don't use prefights.
    You can even practice the strat, same like we did vs jublee. Sp1 spam and don't let her throw a single special. Green goblin relic is key. Try to use special after activating the relic for power management. You can pull it off. 4 hit block... attack. Repeat.

    -There is one thing I don't know, I think arcade stuns you if he activates heavy on his corner. So a lot of dashing back is required to keep him off there. He will rarely throw a random sp1 even while blocking. Ain't big deal.

    Shathra solos dust in q3. And does it very quickly too. Depends how comfortable you are fighting dust.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 7,959 ★★★★★
    Lol I soloed gorr atleast 8-9 times with wong with few failed attempts in between as I wanted to solo dazzler with starky. Kept getting hit with starky. so kept restarting. finally got the starky solo.
  • MystGMystG Member Posts: 151
    A general note if you plan on using Shathra for Dust, make sure you have a good counter for Dthanos as well.

    I also went with this plan but accidently picked wolf instead of shathra, and thought I messed up badly. However on the next fight (Dthanos) Shathra came in clutch... I'd call her a great cheese option, even better than Moondragon lol. I had planned to use Chavez but idk how that would have gone.
  • Rayven5220Rayven5220 Member Posts: 2,978 ★★★★★

    MystG said:

    Dust is easy in quest 3 with Wwbn. It was like 2 revives. Don't hit block, don't worry about unblockable if you're only baiting sp1s. Even if she goes to two bars, Wwbns specials and combos are long enough to run out the unblockable time and he's tanky as hell.

    Arcade was hard in quest 1 since I didn't know how to dex his sp1 so spent 10 or so revives. Then I learnt it and got soloes in quests 2 & 3 With Wwbn and g2099. Pretty straightforward fight.

    How to counter his Armor up and glancing? With wwbn it's more hits and more glancing. And I don't know how to punish her sp1 that's part of the problem lol.

    How rintrah works I have him at r3 and wwbn at r2 who should I use for dusty
    As somebody who just did quest 3, and used rintrah for that dust fight, oh god..... it was terrible. 😭
    Worst fight of the quest for me, and that's saying something as I got wrecked by both arcade and Torch.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 7,959 ★★★★★
    MystG said:

    A general note if you plan on using Shathra for Dust, make sure you have a good counter for Dthanos as well.

    I also went with this plan but accidently picked wolf instead of shathra, and thought I messed up badly. However on the next fight (Dthanos) Shathra came in clutch... I'd call her a great cheese option, even better than Moondragon lol. I had planned to use Chavez but idk how that would have gone.

    Chavez is option for Q3 Thanos. Very quick fight due to so many buffs. I ate sp2 and died ehhh. 1 40% revive tax.
    So Shathra did well vs dust... and fast.
    One of my friend even soloed dust with shathra who was expecting to throw revives.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 7,959 ★★★★★
    edited June 29

    MystG said:

    Dust is easy in quest 3 with Wwbn. It was like 2 revives. Don't hit block, don't worry about unblockable if you're only baiting sp1s. Even if she goes to two bars, Wwbns specials and combos are long enough to run out the unblockable time and he's tanky as hell.

    Arcade was hard in quest 1 since I didn't know how to dex his sp1 so spent 10 or so revives. Then I learnt it and got soloes in quests 2 & 3 With Wwbn and g2099. Pretty straightforward fight.

    How to counter his Armor up and glancing? With wwbn it's more hits and more glancing. And I don't know how to punish her sp1 that's part of the problem lol.

    How rintrah works I have him at r3 and wwbn at r2 who should I use for dusty
    As somebody who just did quest 3, and used rintrah for that dust fight, oh god..... it was terrible. 😭
    Worst fight of the quest for me, and that's saying something as I got wrecked by both arcade and Torch.
    I got wreckd by Torch. Lmao
    I used r1 og shehulk. Forgot she doesn't have debuffs like dshulk. 4 revives and I didn't even get hit.
    R1 War machine performed vs Torch in q3.
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 2,269 ★★★★
    My take on the WoF

    No XP for difficult content

    That is beyond acceptable
  • Rayven5220Rayven5220 Member Posts: 2,978 ★★★★★
    edited June 29

    MystG said:

    Dust is easy in quest 3 with Wwbn. It was like 2 revives. Don't hit block, don't worry about unblockable if you're only baiting sp1s. Even if she goes to two bars, Wwbns specials and combos are long enough to run out the unblockable time and he's tanky as hell.

    Arcade was hard in quest 1 since I didn't know how to dex his sp1 so spent 10 or so revives. Then I learnt it and got soloes in quests 2 & 3 With Wwbn and g2099. Pretty straightforward fight.

    How to counter his Armor up and glancing? With wwbn it's more hits and more glancing. And I don't know how to punish her sp1 that's part of the problem lol.

    How rintrah works I have him at r3 and wwbn at r2 who should I use for dusty
    As somebody who just did quest 3, and used rintrah for that dust fight, oh god..... it was terrible. 😭
    Worst fight of the quest for me, and that's saying something as I got wrecked by both arcade and Torch.
    I got wreckd by Torch. Lmao
    I used r1 og shehulk. Forgot she doesn't have debuffs like dshulk. 4 revives and I didn't even get hit.
    R1 War machine performed vs Torch in q3.
    That torch fight was terrible. I went in with DPX and just kept getting whooped.
    I couldn't get a rhythm going at all.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 7,959 ★★★★★

    MystG said:

    Dust is easy in quest 3 with Wwbn. It was like 2 revives. Don't hit block, don't worry about unblockable if you're only baiting sp1s. Even if she goes to two bars, Wwbns specials and combos are long enough to run out the unblockable time and he's tanky as hell.

    Arcade was hard in quest 1 since I didn't know how to dex his sp1 so spent 10 or so revives. Then I learnt it and got soloes in quests 2 & 3 With Wwbn and g2099. Pretty straightforward fight.

    How to counter his Armor up and glancing? With wwbn it's more hits and more glancing. And I don't know how to punish her sp1 that's part of the problem lol.

    How rintrah works I have him at r3 and wwbn at r2 who should I use for dusty
    As somebody who just did quest 3, and used rintrah for that dust fight, oh god..... it was terrible. 😭
    Worst fight of the quest for me, and that's saying something as I got wrecked by both arcade and Torch.
    I got wreckd by Torch. Lmao
    I used r1 og shehulk. Forgot she doesn't have debuffs like dshulk. 4 revives and I didn't even get hit.
    R1 War machine performed vs Torch in q3.
    That torch fight was terrible. I went in with DPX and just kept getting whooped.
    I couldn't get a rhythm going at all.
    Eveyone got their Achilles heel... could be dust or arcade or gorr or spiral or enchantress or reversed Thanos etc...
    In my case, I'm not a fan of dazzler and Torch in wof. Lol
    I died to Torch using r1 warmachine in Q3. Because I effin ate a full crit combo.
    That 1 single revive hurt me more than Q2 revive tax dhanos.
    ...

    Ht has always been on my hatelist: Champs I don't enjoy playing as an attacker or fighting them on defence.
    Torch is a champion of unskilled.

  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,448 ★★★★★
    In q3, should I use photon for enchantress and save luke for torch (both r3), or should I use luke for enchantress and use SIM (r1) for torch? Heard Sim is really great against that torch did anyone took torch with sim?
  • Dr. CrabDr. Crab Member Posts: 867 ★★★★

    In q3, should I use photon for enchantress and save luke for torch (both r3), or should I use luke for enchantress and use SIM (r1) for torch? Heard Sim is really great against that torch did anyone took torch with sim?

    I would definitely use Photon for a Enchantress, and then Luke cage for torch. Luke cage completely shut that flight down. Enchantress almost anybody can deal with that fight. It’s just she’s frustrating fundamentally. Depending on how she starts it can just be daunting, especially if you have to intercept as she gets her unstoppable buffs when dashing forward definitely very frustrating. No really good way around that but Luke Cage is an extremely good way around Human Torch.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,730 ★★★★★

    Man I absolutely despise the dust fight. I always hate dust but whoever decided to put dust on unblockable node is my enemy. Dust fight is absolute bs in second path without a counter. Pheonix bi*** hits like a pillow it took me more than 10 revives to get her down.

    That arcade mf is another annoying fight with serpent. I have no idea how I'm gonna fight arcade and dust without counters in quest 3 lmao.

    Arcade , do the dash in trick during sp1 like to do for thanos
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,730 ★★★★★

    In q3, should I use photon for enchantress and save luke for torch (both r3), or should I use luke for enchantress and use SIM (r1) for torch? Heard Sim is really great against that torch did anyone took torch with sim?

    Full boost and use sp3 defense boost. You can solo by not letting her throw any special other than sp3.

    Comfortable solo
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,448 ★★★★★

    In q3, should I use photon for enchantress and save luke for torch (both r3), or should I use luke for enchantress and use SIM (r1) for torch? Heard Sim is really great against that torch did anyone took torch with sim?

    Full boost and use sp3 defense boost. You can solo by not letting her throw any special other than sp3.

    Comfortable solo
    Sp3 defense boost only works in alliance war right?
  • Dr. CrabDr. Crab Member Posts: 867 ★★★★
    Doesn’t she also lock herself to her SP1s?
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,730 ★★★★★

    In q3, should I use photon for enchantress and save luke for torch (both r3), or should I use luke for enchantress and use SIM (r1) for torch? Heard Sim is really great against that torch did anyone took torch with sim?

    Full boost and use sp3 defense boost. You can solo by not letting her throw any special other than sp3.

    Comfortable solo
    Sp3 defense boost only works in alliance war right?
    No. There's one that works everywhere
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,592 ★★★★★
    OP, “over-hated” is the best concise description I’ve seen for WoF, lol
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