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For the Red Hulk Haters 😘

hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
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There was recently a thread asking for suggestions for Node 49 Zola (season 59 tac)
Myself and a few other players suggested IH (my alliance mate already tested and she is a good option) but I also mentioned I'm gonna cook it with RH if I get a chance.. had a couple disagrees or dislikes so felt compelled to come back and post 🙃
https://youtu.be/WQKmSGNTbgE?si=j6XuA5ZKPn_Ve9O_
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  • LordSmasherLordSmasher Member Posts: 1,654 ★★★★★
    That was well done. Not being able to throw a special was doing the fight with one hand tied behind your back but you still nailed it.
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    LordSmasher said:

    That was well done. Not being able to throw a special was doing the fight with one hand tied behind your back but you still nailed it.

    Thanks! 🤩 He's naturally good for Zola in general because of heavy counter, red numbers and ability to gain heat charges from blocking energy attacks.. not reliant on specials for his damage also came in handy here

    Main challenge in this fight was AI manipulation - pushing the pace so you don't chip out from the tac or Brute Force
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,241 ★★★★★
    InB4theHaters
  • the_eradicatorthe_eradicator Member Posts: 472 ★★★
    Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,559 ★★★★★
    Looks like he really needs suicides, Good champ if you look for someone simpler to use. One utility I like about rulk is not dependent on debuffs despite being a science champ, which is helpful in some scenarios.
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    edited July 1
    the_eradicator said:

    Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup

    No, actually there's a limited pool of champs who can heavy counter him.. it's definitely not all XL champs - I can list many who can't
    The issue is this..
    -smaller champs cannot outrange his heavy with a single evade in most cases (they need to be able to connect from a two dash distance usually.. many cannot)
    - XL champs can easily outrange his heavy with a single evade (as XL champs have a deeper evade), but many of them have a poor heavy reach

    That being said, Hulk can heavy counter him fine.. that is true, but he wouldn't be better for this particular fight
    - Hulk relies on specials more than RH does for damage, but also Zola mitigates all special damage by 90% anyway and reduced crit damage.. it's RH use of red numbers that help against Zola as they bypass some of his damage mitigation (and he can ramp via blocked energy hits)

    And yes, that's a good time for that fight against an R4 in t1.. my alliance mate used R4 IH and took much longer and had a similar amount of health remaining (keep in mind she can throw specials to remove the tac)

    But yeah the "damage lacking" is Zola's natural abilities.. and he's an R4 mini on a t1 map
    I would be interested in footage of a better time on that fight - so I can have that info for my Battle Group
  • Ragnaruk5178Ragnaruk5178 Member Posts: 683 ★★★
    Not a fan of rulk but he obliterates that fight. Good job! His heavy is perfect for Zola
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    Looks like he really needs suicides, Good champ if you look for someone simpler to use. One utility I like about rulk is not dependent on debuffs despite being a science champ, which is helpful in some scenarios.

    Yeah, it's true.. he really does want them active for full potential, agree
    And yeah, absolutely.. I use him all the time for war nodes that limit, punish or prohibit Debuffs (especially when people place a Mystic there to be cheeky because most science champs rely on Debuffs:)
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    the_eradicator said:

    Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup

    The fight was under 2 mins.
    30% of the damage is from tactic. He's not tactic.
    Needs recoils: I don't run them anymore.
    Needs r4. I ain't doing that either.
    Needs boosting, who doesn't in t1 wars.
    Good champ for recoil users.
    Not fun to play from my pov.
    Agree on needing Recoil.. though not really that he needs R4.. based on his DPS and health retention in most war fights - (this one was an outlier as it was Brute Force plus def tac) he would still be totally fine punching up one level against R4 defense
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    the_eradicator said:

    Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup

    Also, I agree that he could use an update.. absolutely, as could many champs who were last updated many years ago.. 100%
    I'd love to see him get one, for example he and Luke Cage were both updated together some years ago.. then, later on Luke received his latest update.. RH did not
    However.. I still think he's a great war attacker in some situations even without his update.. yet 🤞
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    Ragnaruk5178 said:

    Not a fan of rulk but he obliterates that fight. Good job! His heavy is perfect for Zola

    Thanks! Appreciate the positive feedback
  • the_eradicatorthe_eradicator Member Posts: 472 ★★★
    One more thing I want to highlight is, I actually like red hulk and I don't think most of them hate him.
    They hate the fact he is in the Titan crytal (including me). Whent the titan has other champs like Spiderwoman, jean grey etc..why would anyone want Red hulk who is so old and not so interesting. Thats the problem right there. He is an okay champ otherwise.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,370 ★★★★★
    the_eradicator said:

    Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup

    Heavy countering with Hulk means you lose your build up. You don't lose anything when heavy countering with Rhulk.
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    the_eradicator said:

    Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup

    Heavy countering with Hulk means you lose your build up. You don't lose anything when heavy countering with Rhulk.
    Correct.. can confirm when I did try him once in the one fight AW format.. I barely cleared the fight in time lol.. thank you I forgot to mention that.. even after confirming it in a rather stressful way in Season AW 😂
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    edited July 1
    A comparison: Hulk nearly times out against an R3 Zola (punching even) on t2 map with plenty of Force Charge
    Yes, I know that Sentry or Overseer were the best for that fight, but I wanted to see for myself and learn the hard way 🙃
    https://youtu.be/s_ugTetXlHc?si=eF9LI6w4UkLn8TH8
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    edited July 1
    Red Hulk: R4 vs R4 (punching even) on t1 map (more hp) clears with less Force Charge in under 3 minutes I believe
    https://youtu.be/oeOXLv1XLNo?si=Ou-Ji89DRPK93eUx
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,241 ★★★★★
    hungryhungrybbq said:

    Red Hulk: R4 vs R4 (punching even) on t1 map (more hp) clears with less Force Charge in under 3 minutes I believe
    https://youtu.be/oeOXLv1XLNo?si=Ou-Ji89DRPK93eUx

    So how does the fight work? Does Rulk have the heavy reach for Zola?
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    hungryhungrybbq said:

    Red Hulk: R4 vs R4 (punching even) on t1 map (more hp) clears with less Force Charge in under 3 minutes I believe
    https://youtu.be/oeOXLv1XLNo?si=Ou-Ji89DRPK93eUx

    So how does the fight work? Does Rulk have the heavy reach for Zola?
    Have you watched any of the videos? Or are you trolling me because I post too many RH videos (though I believe that there is no such thing as too many RH videos:) The one at the top of the thread is the most recent test on node 49 AW

    Yes, what makes him good for Zola is easy heavy counter, red numbers and ability to ramp by blocking energy attacks (no specials needed - in the case of node 49)
  • SyndicatedSyndicated Member Posts: 805 ★★★★
    Overseer>>>Rulk

    And i don't totally like Overseer lol
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    Mmm.. is it though?
  • DONZALOOG1234DONZALOOG1234 Member Posts: 473 ★★★
    When at max heat charges and would gain any more, Red Hulk instead applies physical vulnerabilities to the opponent. You're welcome Kabam, add that to Batch 2
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    DONZALOOG1234 said:

    When at max heat charges and would gain any more, Red Hulk instead applies physical vulnerabilities to the opponent. You're welcome Kabam, add that to Batch 2

    Or crit rate increase per charge?
    - make sp2 do something (anything at all is fine.. maybe a Passive Whither or something?)
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,241 ★★★★★
    hungryhungrybbq said:

    DONZALOOG1234 said:

    When at max heat charges and would gain any more, Red Hulk instead applies physical vulnerabilities to the opponent. You're welcome Kabam, add that to Batch 2

    Or crit rate increase per charge?
    - make sp2 do something (anything at all is fine.. maybe a Passive Whither or something?)
    I think they should swap the sp2 and 3. SP2 should inflict the wither and incinerate while SP3 should regen.
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,715 ★★★★★
    edited July 2
    EdisonLaw said:

    hungryhungrybbq said:

    DONZALOOG1234 said:

    When at max heat charges and would gain any more, Red Hulk instead applies physical vulnerabilities to the opponent. You're welcome Kabam, add that to Batch 2

    Or crit rate increase per charge?
    - make sp2 do something (anything at all is fine.. maybe a Passive Whither or something?)
    I think they should swap the sp2 and 3. SP2 should inflict the wither and incinerate while SP3 should regen.
    No arguments here.. yeah the Regen on sp2 never made any sense - it's too small to be worth trading charges for first.. and second he's a damage based character designed for short form.. I don't really see much of a need for Regen personally.. but sure, add it on to sp3 if we like for niche situations?
    One thing though.. the Incinerate should be Passive from his sp2 if we do that.. because I want him to keep his identity as a Science who doesn't rely on (and can control) his Debuffs.. and if you attempt to access the Whither Passive.. you want the incinerate to be passive as well or else that will remove his uniqueness in the Science class

    But yeah, ultimately.. we need a damage modification for non-Recoil play (BGs)
    He actually slaps even currently with Recoils, but remove it and it leaves something to be desired.. I mean it's fine but it's just not as bursty as 2024-25 champs without it
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