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  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,290 ★★★★★
    They had this build of the eq built already long before the first two even happened. We knew before the valiant eqs even started they told us the first 3 were experimental. Meaning they already had this version built. It's one month. It'll be fine. Give your feedback and move on. Hopefully they listen and forget this one ever happened.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,341 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Crys23 said:

    Really annoying. What was the point of fighting the boss 3 times per quest?
    And also why did the last 3 quests have double paths?

    Because it's still experimental. They are toying with the format based on feedback. They've said this already.
    They need to toy back to the format from last month. Theres nothing they can do to this one to make it better than the last one
    That's why we give them that feedback. But many are acting like it's never going to change again.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,341 ★★★★★

    Crys23 said:

    Really annoying. What was the point of fighting the boss 3 times per quest?
    And also why did the last 3 quests have double paths?

    Because it's still experimental. They are toying with the format based on feedback. They've said this already.
    Toying with it based on feedback?
    The feedback for the last 2 months has been 95% good.
    This wasn't based on "feedback", obviously.
    There was plenty of people here that didn't like the past format either.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,462 ★★★★★
    When they actually give us the option to choose oue favourite mode you guys are mad lol. If you're mad, give negative feedback bout this quest, instead of outright saying this quest shouldn't exist

    Also there is another format, how do we know if that's better than this one previous one if we never see it lol.
  • Darkness275Darkness275 Member Posts: 920 ★★★★


    That's why we give them that feedback. But many are acting like it's never going to change again.

    Which is super valid and I do agree. I have complete faith this will be adjusted.

    Doesn’t change the fact that introducing something in stages is typically done so you can course correct during each stage and adjust prior to implementation.

    If there’s no intention, ability or desire to do so until after the final draft is presented - then let’s just skip to the final draft.

    Now, is there a scenario in which you would intentionally exacerbate issues gradually over time and in stages? Yes. But then that would also eliminate the concept of “well this wasn’t intended and the changes were already in progress regardless of the feedback.”

    They cant both be true.

    The player base isn’t and should be treated like the games QA team. That’s what the beta realm is for.
  • Standardman1989Standardman1989 Member Posts: 613 ★★★
    Small feedback I prefer the format before with only one champion to change and here 3. Shorter maps but many changes.

    Should limit create a map of Maps with each champions to take
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,290 ★★★★★

    I can understand the 3x switch, but at the boss? You are locking out 2 other champs for no reason if you manage the solo...

    Simple. Mess up on purpose and use all 3. Modern problems require modern solutions.
  • AvnishAvnish Member Posts: 553 ★★★
    T7B and awakening gem shards are same but I feel the difference for other things in comparison previous VEQ. May be in total it would be same. Also for last 2-3 quest have complition and exploration reward...might be this creating confusion
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 6,773 ★★★★★

    I can understand the 3x switch, but at the boss? You are locking out 2 other champs for no reason if you manage the solo...
    Congratulations you killed the boss in a single attempt, as reward you don't get to use the other 2 champs (x2 so its 4) for no reason at all...

    I just bring the one champ I want and two champs I won't use the next round.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,649 ★★★★★

    I can understand the 3x switch, but at the boss? You are locking out 2 other champs for no reason if you manage the solo...
    Congratulations you killed the boss in a single attempt, as reward you don't get to use the other 2 champs (x2 so its 4) for no reason at all...

    I just bring the one champ I want and two champs I won't use the next round.
    Yeah I figured that out by the 2nd quest, its stupid though. Not like you can pick any class to at least use synergies
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 6,773 ★★★★★

    I can understand the 3x switch, but at the boss? You are locking out 2 other champs for no reason if you manage the solo...
    Congratulations you killed the boss in a single attempt, as reward you don't get to use the other 2 champs (x2 so its 4) for no reason at all...

    I just bring the one champ I want and two champs I won't use the next round.
    Yeah I figured that out by the 2nd quest, its stupid though. Not like you can pick any class to at least use synergies
    The synergies part is what gets me. One of their main selling points of this trial run was letting us bring 3 champs for synergies, but synergies become considerably less valuable when you basically have to use every champ you bring, and there are only so many synergies that don't involve champs in other classes.
    I have yet to bring a single synergy, and I have yet to come to a moment where an available synergy would actually be useful.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,649 ★★★★★

    I can understand the 3x switch, but at the boss? You are locking out 2 other champs for no reason if you manage the solo...
    Congratulations you killed the boss in a single attempt, as reward you don't get to use the other 2 champs (x2 so its 4) for no reason at all...

    I just bring the one champ I want and two champs I won't use the next round.
    Yeah I figured that out by the 2nd quest, its stupid though. Not like you can pick any class to at least use synergies
    The synergies part is what gets me. One of their main selling points of this trial run was letting us bring 3 champs for synergies, but synergies become considerably less valuable when you basically have to use every champ you bring, and there are only so many synergies that don't involve champs in other classes.
    I have yet to bring a single synergy, and I have yet to come to a moment where an available synergy would actually be useful.
    I used an Odin pre fight out of spite on Quest 1
  • MystGMystG Member Posts: 152

    I can understand the 3x switch, but at the boss? You are locking out 2 other champs for no reason if you manage the solo...
    Congratulations you killed the boss in a single attempt, as reward you don't get to use the other 2 champs (x2 so its 4) for no reason at all...

    That was still bearable but idk what made them want to split 4-6 chapter into two paths each, that too with many extra fights per path, so literally we're doing 11 fights in chapter 1-3 and 28 fights in chapters 4-6
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,649 ★★★★★
    MystG said:

    I can understand the 3x switch, but at the boss? You are locking out 2 other champs for no reason if you manage the solo...
    Congratulations you killed the boss in a single attempt, as reward you don't get to use the other 2 champs (x2 so its 4) for no reason at all...

    That was still bearable but idk what made them want to split 4-6 chapter into two paths each, that too with many extra fights per path, so literally we're doing 11 fights in chapter 1-3 and 28 fights in chapters 4-6
    It was bearable after figuring out, I had to restart 🤣
  • MrSanguiniMrSanguini Member Posts: 197 ★★

    I blame MSD that dude keeps fighting top content and keep giving feedback to kabam that makes our enjoyment lesser and lesser. I hate that dude now.

    Your jealousy is showing
    I don't give a s about jealousy over a mobile game i play it to enjoy I don't feel any jealousy. WHAT I ABSOLUTELY know for sure is that every hard content is likly tested through MSD by Kabam and he gives them regular feedback, but what Kabam is failing to understand is not every little bit of content needs to be sky high difficult. It's a fact Kabam has definitely amped the AI and baiting doesn't work like 90% of time. Read my example of knull above in incursion.
    Uhh, is every little bit of content sky high difficult right now? The only sky high difficult thing I see recently is Wheel of Fate. Easy content still comes from story, side quest, EQ, Incursions, special event stuff, etc.
  • MontycarloMontycarlo Member Posts: 134 ★★
    The whole and I mean whole intention of this format of EQ is to drain players revives stash there is no other explanation but this that made them change it. I don't understand that even in the last format if player made mistake in fight 7-8 or something they had to use resources. But why does Kabam locking and wasting champ placement by making us choose 3 champs every 3 fights ? Especially boss? All it does is wasting position of our champs and mind you we can even use champs we used already. It's just made with intention of a monthly revives fest quest.
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 6,773 ★★★★★
    edited July 11

    The whole and I mean whole intention of this format of EQ is to drain players revives stash there is no other explanation but this that made them change it. I don't understand that even in the last format if player made mistake in fight 7-8 or something they had to use resources. But why does Kabam locking and wasting champ placement by making us choose 3 champs every 3 fights ? Especially boss? All it does is wasting position of our champs and mind you we can even use champs we used already. It's just made with intention of a monthly revives fest quest.

    Okay, but what if a player explored it all without using a single item from the stash? Hypothetically speaking of course, because apparently that's not possible.

    And the explanation came months ago. They said quite clearly that they would be trying multiple iterations of Valiant EQ to gather feedback from the players before settling on the permanent picture of the content. So while this version sucks, it was in the plans and now they've been able to gather feedback. But feedback in the form of a rant is not helpful feedback.
    Regardless, they can easily take away from the last 36 hours that the last version was better than this one, and now that they know that they can move forward with more information on what players respond well to and what we don't respond well to.
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 6,351 ★★★★★
    I can't believe that Kabam still thinks these are rewards,
    These dog rewards are not worth for even 100 gold, it's time to stop Kabam.




  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,009 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    I can't believe that Kabam still thinks these are rewards,
    These dog rewards are not worth for even 100 gold, it's time to stop Kabam.




    I want them. The only reason I do a completion run in tb quest now is relic mats.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,009 ★★★★★
    If they experimented with this design to being with, for last two months, I'm 100% sure, they would have received positive feed back, except the triple boss fights I suppose.

    They gave us single path initially and that spoiled eveyeone lol.

    For rewards vs effort ratio, I personally don't mind the difficulty at all.
    I have explored it. So no more Veq after 1 day for the whole month. Took me 2 restarts somewhere as I got koed and refused to use a revive.
  • MystGMystG Member Posts: 152
    Yep. It was finely doable and I'm happy to finally have the third t7b for my next r4. Also, is it a buff to t7b rewards this month? I got like 90% of a catalyst total from veq, incursion, and showcase combined? Anyways, Done with everything so time to wait for next month content drop.
  • Darkknight_94Darkknight_94 Member Posts: 499 ★★★
    I think kabam made a problem to the very solution they created with previous versions of valiant eq. Aka making it into completion & exploration thing.
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    Wasn't 2 months of good feedback on valiant EQ enough to convince you to keep it that way.
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    Valiant Eqs should not have to be of same type like other Eq's. ( completion & exploration).
    It was suited as 6 quests gauntlet.
    Hope it returns next month🥹
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