Please Make the New Mode Permanent

CheeseMaster482 · July 16

Everything about this mode is perfect. You actually made the mode competitive by giving everyone access to the same champs without having to max them out. The only determining factor now is RNG but also your ability to come up with strategies to get the perfect hand.

Now that we have 52 fully maxed out 2 stars, I would like to see a 2 star BGs meta to see how the rankings play out when it is actually competitive and skill based.

Herbal_Taxman · July 16

So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.

FiiNCH · July 16

I have the exact opposite view. We’re just playing poker, with little to no requirement for player skill or champ/game knowledge.

If I wanted to play poker I’d download an actual poker game.

TotemCorruption · July 16

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.

Haha, spot on. It all makes sense now.
Nothing against the new game mode (haven't tried it, but if people enjoy it, that's cool.) But yeah, OP, please stop posting your thoughts about any serious content.

CrashOut · July 16

CheeseMaster482 said:
Everything about this mode is perfect. You actually made the mode competitive by giving everyone access to the same champs without having to max them out. The only determining factor now is RNG but also your ability to come up with strategies to get the perfect hand.

Now that we have 52 fully maxed out 2 stars, I would like to see a 2 star BGs meta to see how the rankings play out when it is actually competitive and skill based.

Sounds like you lack skill, there is no tactic approach to this game mode it us pure random and zero skill required.

It's abysmal and the fact that we have no choice but to grind it for these top tier rewards is just insanity. No competition, no roster diversity, no skill just pure luck isn't what mcoc is as a game.

ItsClobberinTime · July 16

Imagine how bad you must be at the game that you want a 2* locked BGs meta lmfao guarantee this guy would still blame it on RNG when he gets stomped by Celestial, Mysterium, Quantum and Arcane players even with full 2* deck.

BeastDad · July 16

It is fun, it does not take a lot of time, and the rewards are decent. Who cares about anything else?

ItsClobberinTime · July 16

BeastDad said:
It is fun, it does not take a lot of time, and the rewards are decent. Who cares about anything else?

Fun? What's fun about fighting 2* with no nodes lol

FiiNCH · July 16

BeastDad said:
It is fun, it does not take a lot of time, and the rewards are decent. Who cares about anything else?

We’re just playing poker. I don’t play MCOC because I want to play poker.

Can’t wait to see kabam add candy crush into the game in the next new mode..

CheeseMaster482 · July 16

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.

Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.

Herbal_Taxman · July 16

Have you looked at how the scoring work, buddy? It’s who plays the most, not who plays the best. Although I’m sure you’re about to tell us that you’ve pioneered a strategy that guarantees 900 points every round, right?

I think the mode is fine and I’m sure some people find it to be a low-engagement alternative to arenas. But to champion it as the COMPETITIVE mode we’ve all been waiting for is just laughable.

KabamPinwheel · July 16

I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.

CheeseMaster482 · July 16

Herbal_Taxman said:
Have you looked at how the scoring work, buddy? It’s who plays the most, not who plays the best. Although I’m sure you’re about to tell us that you’ve pioneered a strategy that guarantees 900 points every round, right?

I think the mode is fine and I’m sure some people find it to be a low-engagement alternative to arenas. But to champion it as the COMPETITIVE mode we’ve all been waiting for is just laughable.

I never said it was the competitive mode we have all been waiting for. I just said it was an actual fair competitive mode.

BGs isn't about who played the best, it's about who has the better roster and who drafted better. You can't pay your way to the top in the new mode but you definitely can in BGs.

It's obvious you are not reading what I'm writing and just want to hate.

FiiNCH · July 16

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.

Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..

KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.

Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?

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Penzito · July 16

It's okay for a bit, I got lucky got every hand but the 2 unicorns. Just short of 20K points. I know top 200 will be crazy and the rest of us get 1% at best. So basically what's the point until milestones reset.

We don't know where the cutoff is, so its just blindly playing until you think you made it.

What is the 50% player pool a reflection of? The entire game base, or just people who play at least 1 game of this SQ?

KabamPinwheel · July 16

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?

The plan is more that we'll have more variety in side quests and be able to swap between more diverse varieties. Want to combat the current status of side quests feeling a little stale and repetitive.

FiiNCH · July 16

KabamPinwheel said:

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?
The plan is more that we'll have more variety in side quests and be able to swap between more diverse varieties. Want to combat the current status of side quests feeling a little stale and repetitive.

Thanks, and agreed on the need for variety.

Would be great if future versions of the side quests could be a little more engaging. Mindlessly grinding what is essentially a game of poker, without enjoying some of the core game mechanics will get dull very quickly.

FiiNCH · July 16

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
Have you looked at how the scoring work, buddy? It’s who plays the most, not who plays the best. Although I’m sure you’re about to tell us that you’ve pioneered a strategy that guarantees 900 points every round, right?

I think the mode is fine and I’m sure some people find it to be a low-engagement alternative to arenas. But to champion it as the COMPETITIVE mode we’ve all been waiting for is just laughable.
I never said it was the competitive mode we have all been waiting for. I just said it was an actual fair competitive mode.

BGs isn't about who played the best, it's about who has the better roster and who drafted better. You can't pay your way to the top in the new mode but you definitely can in BGs.

It's obvious you are not reading what I'm writing and just want to hate.

You do understand that the limiting factor of this game mode is energy? If a whale wants to, they’ll just spend money on energy refills and continue grinding. A FTP player will hit their limit eventually, and that will be it for them.

The top of the leaderboard for this event will still be whales.

ItsClobberinTime · July 16

KabamPinwheel said:

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?
The plan is more that we'll have more variety in side quests and be able to swap between more diverse varieties. Want to combat the current status of side quests feeling a little stale and repetitive.

What part about fighting 2* with no nodes or any difficulty whatsoever isn't stale or repetitive? This is like a slightly better arena mode but that's it, definitely going to take a lot more than dangling a 7* champ as a top reward to actually make this game mode great. Right now, I find it just as tedious and boring as arena personally and even with a 7* High Evolutionary as a reward I have zero interest in playing more than I did old side quests.

CheeseMaster482 · July 16

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?

That's obviously not what I meant man why do you guys keep missing the point. No amount of money will guarantee you win. A sport's team can spend millions on its players but they will still have to train. No amount of money will outright make you faster, stronger, or bigger. You can't buy shoes that make you kick harder or run faster. In BGs you can literally pay to become stronger without having to put any effort.

ItsClobberinTime · July 16

CheeseMaster482 said:

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?
That's obviously not what I meant man why do you guys keep missing the point. No amount of money will guarantee you win. A sport's team can spend millions on its players but they will still have to train. No amount of money will outright make you faster, stronger, or bigger. You can't buy shoes that make you kick harder or run faster. In BGs you can literally pay to become stronger without having to put any effort.

What makes you think your skills will be better than those who have already beaten all endgame content lol get good, grow your account and stop crying.

Aleor · July 16

KabamPinwheel said:

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?
The plan is more that we'll have more variety in side quests and be able to swap between more diverse varieties. Want to combat the current status of side quests feeling a little stale and repetitive.

But the new event gets stale and repetitive after you figure out what's expected and do it once. And also it lacks any fighting mechanics, but has all the new type of card interactions that probably took noticable time to code.
I'd rather play something like that thing for top progression level where you swap champs every 3 fights. Add some rng there, like start with a limited deck like bg and give selection of 3 champs from 5-8 and then lock used champs for several 3 fights sections with random nodes or defenders. Or just challenging fights with objectives like it was for suffering season. Or just say that this month sq is arena, imo it would be somewhat similar to the new mode (I never play arena except since special events)

KabamPinwheel · July 16

Aleor said:

KabamPinwheel said:

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?
The plan is more that we'll have more variety in side quests and be able to swap between more diverse varieties. Want to combat the current status of side quests feeling a little stale and repetitive.
But the new event gets stale and repetitive after you figure out what's expected and do it once. And also it lacks any fighting mechanics, but has all the new type of card interactions that probably took noticable time to code.
I'd rather play something like that thing for top progression level where you swap champs every 3 fights. Add some rng there, like start with a limited deck like bg and give selection of 3 champs from 5-8 and then lock used champs for several 3 fights sections with random nodes or defenders. Or just challenging fights with objectives like it was for suffering season. Or just say that this month sq is arena, imo it would be somewhat similar to the new mode (I never play arena except since special events)

And thats fair feedback! Ultimately gotta try things and see what folks think. Seeing lots of positive reception once folks are able to play it but also want to get this kind of constructive feedback too to make it better!

TotemCorruption · July 16

ItsClobberinTime said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?
That's obviously not what I meant man why do you guys keep missing the point. No amount of money will guarantee you win. A sport's team can spend millions on its players but they will still have to train. No amount of money will outright make you faster, stronger, or bigger. You can't buy shoes that make you kick harder or run faster. In BGs you can literally pay to become stronger without having to put any effort.

What makes you think your skills will be better than those who have already beaten all endgame content lol get good, grow your account and stop crying.

You're wasting time talking to these people. They don't want competitive MCOC, they want casino poker.
Anyhow, I tried this mode just now, and it's obviously just a fun silly no-skill candy crush type of mode.
I'm not against it, even though the rewards are pretty insane for what it is.
Regardless, if it keeps the forum Eeyores like OP and Beastdad happy and away from the serious threads, then kudos to Kabam.
I see nothing wrong with MCOC having a kid's menu and an adult menu.

MysticSpectrumXZ · July 16

Yes making it permanently please. I like it! I forgot to rank my characters for a moment and I enjoyed it.

CheeseMaster482 · July 16

TotemCorruption said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?
That's obviously not what I meant man why do you guys keep missing the point. No amount of money will guarantee you win. A sport's team can spend millions on its players but they will still have to train. No amount of money will outright make you faster, stronger, or bigger. You can't buy shoes that make you kick harder or run faster. In BGs you can literally pay to become stronger without having to put any effort.

What makes you think your skills will be better than those who have already beaten all endgame content lol get good, grow your account and stop crying.
You're wasting time talking to these people. They don't want competitive MCOC, they want casino poker.
Anyhow, I tried this mode just now, and it's obviously just a fun silly no-skill candy crush type of mode.
I'm not against it, even though the rewards are pretty insane for what it is.
Regardless, if it keeps the forum Eeyores like OP and Beastdad happy and away from the serious threads, then kudos to Kabam.
I see nothing wrong with MCOC having a kid's menu and an adult menu.

I suggested an idea to make BGs competitive and you completely ignore it to insult me and another forum user. Why are you insulting BeastDad when all he said was he found the mode fun. You and ClobberingTime keep trying to derail the thread to get it closed. Multiple people have already offered constructive criticism which is the purpose of the thread, please stay on topic and treat each other respectfully.

klobberintyme · July 16

KabamPinwheel said:

Aleor said:

KabamPinwheel said:

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?
The plan is more that we'll have more variety in side quests and be able to swap between more diverse varieties. Want to combat the current status of side quests feeling a little stale and repetitive.
But the new event gets stale and repetitive after you figure out what's expected and do it once. And also it lacks any fighting mechanics, but has all the new type of card interactions that probably took noticable time to code.
I'd rather play something like that thing for top progression level where you swap champs every 3 fights. Add some rng there, like start with a limited deck like bg and give selection of 3 champs from 5-8 and then lock used champs for several 3 fights sections with random nodes or defenders. Or just challenging fights with objectives like it was for suffering season. Or just say that this month sq is arena, imo it would be somewhat similar to the new mode (I never play arena except since special events)
And thats fair feedback! Ultimately gotta try things and see what folks think. Seeing lots of positive reception once folks are able to play it but also want to get this kind of constructive feedback too to make it better!

To be fair, when I'm mindlessly tapping at a poker machine at Mccarran airport waiting for my flight, I'd be annoyed if an mcoc fight popped up before each draw.

That said, it's clear where the next side quest needs to go:

BeastDad · July 16

ItsClobberinTime said:

BeastDad said:
It is fun, it does not take a lot of time, and the rewards are decent. Who cares about anything else?
Fun? What's fun about fighting 2* with no nodes lol

I actually like poker lol

ItsClobberinTime · July 16

CheeseMaster482 said:

TotemCorruption said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?
That's obviously not what I meant man why do you guys keep missing the point. No amount of money will guarantee you win. A sport's team can spend millions on its players but they will still have to train. No amount of money will outright make you faster, stronger, or bigger. You can't buy shoes that make you kick harder or run faster. In BGs you can literally pay to become stronger without having to put any effort.

What makes you think your skills will be better than those who have already beaten all endgame content lol get good, grow your account and stop crying.
You're wasting time talking to these people. They don't want competitive MCOC, they want casino poker.
Anyhow, I tried this mode just now, and it's obviously just a fun silly no-skill candy crush type of mode.
I'm not against it, even though the rewards are pretty insane for what it is.
Regardless, if it keeps the forum Eeyores like OP and Beastdad happy and away from the serious threads, then kudos to Kabam.
I see nothing wrong with MCOC having a kid's menu and an adult menu.
I suggested an idea to make BGs competitive and you completely ignore it to insult me and another forum user. Why are you insulting BeastDad when all he said was he found the mode fun. You and ClobberingTime keep trying to derail the thread to get it closed. Multiple people have already offered constructive criticism which is the purpose of the thread, please stay on topic and treat each other respectfully.

BGs already is competitive, a lot of players at the top of Celestial aren't even in the group of the biggest spenders in the game and they're keeping up with the whales regardless lol you're just mad that your account isn't big enough to get up there. Keep playing and you'll catch up eventually, if you spent half as much time doing endgame content as you did complaining about BGs not being competitive because of whales you probably would've already been on you way to catching up.

TotemCorruption · July 16

CheeseMaster482 said:

TotemCorruption said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

FiiNCH said:

CheeseMaster482 said:

Herbal_Taxman said:
So we finally discovered what you believe to be competitive. Totally RNG-based, grind-focused content. Got it. Please spare us any future posts from you about BGs.
Read what I said in the last sentence. For a mode to be Competitive there has to be a level playing field which this mode does by giving everyone the same access to champs. Nobody is locked out of competing just because they don't have the champs or have them leveled up. I am consistently getting 900 points every reset by using the same strategy every time. You complain about it being too RNG focused yet BGs is literally the exact same and even worse.

First you have to get the champ, then you have to get the resources to rank them up, and finally you have to make sure you draft them. All of this is RNG that even requires money to achive.

The reason why I said a 2 star meta is because kabam doesn't have the technology to make it so your roster in one mode is separate from your roster in the main game. If I said kabam should give us 52 seven stars fully maxed out for a BGs meta they couldn't do that without actually giving those champs to keep permanently. Obviously there will be attacker and defender nodes along with the usual rules that will boost the health values so that fights wouldn't be done in 10 seconds.

When everyone has access to the same character all at max rank, the only deciding factor is who plays better not who spent the most.
Dreadful logic.

I imagine we can’t call the premier league competitive then because some football clubs are richer, and spend more on players than others..
KabamPinwheel said:
I would say its more a single player mode with a competitive element than a straight up competitive mode. After all its the side quest still, but with an added leader board element. There is strategy and decision making in terms of how many swaps you do and when you do them, but yes also rng plays its role for sure.
Are you expecting this release this type of game mode on a permanent basis?
That's obviously not what I meant man why do you guys keep missing the point. No amount of money will guarantee you win. A sport's team can spend millions on its players but they will still have to train. No amount of money will outright make you faster, stronger, or bigger. You can't buy shoes that make you kick harder or run faster. In BGs you can literally pay to become stronger without having to put any effort.

What makes you think your skills will be better than those who have already beaten all endgame content lol get good, grow your account and stop crying.
You're wasting time talking to these people. They don't want competitive MCOC, they want casino poker.
Anyhow, I tried this mode just now, and it's obviously just a fun silly no-skill candy crush type of mode.
I'm not against it, even though the rewards are pretty insane for what it is.
Regardless, if it keeps the forum Eeyores like OP and Beastdad happy and away from the serious threads, then kudos to Kabam.
I see nothing wrong with MCOC having a kid's menu and an adult menu.
I suggested an idea to make BGs competitive and you completely ignore it to insult me and another forum user. Why are you insulting BeastDad when all he said was he found the mode fun. You and ClobberingTime keep trying to derail the thread to get it closed. Multiple people have already offered constructive criticism which is the purpose of the thread, please stay on topic and treat each other respectfully.

I have no issue with anyone liking this mode.
But as others noted, it's just funny to see the biggest forum whiners finally finding a game mode they're good at.
You're not posting in a vacuum, just so you know, and have derailed countless threads yourself with silly complaints about serious game topics you have no business discussing.

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