@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Just took him to r2, and tried same sp3 rotation, exact same fight.
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k. Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others. I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
I felt like doing an analysis with just a bit of simplified math, hope I don't mess this up.
If we're discussing over the video Nick136 posted then I'll have small calculations and share some insights to disprove some of the false impressions created as seen on this post. I'll go case by case for his best performances against certain champions but keep in mind that both Solvarch and the defender is r4 in this video. I'll just analyze the matchups as seen in the video so prepare for some excessive yapping while I act as if someone cares.
Photon (1 min 9 sec): I don't think there's much to analyze here, with just the addition of Inequity this matchup clearly won't work at all or take much longer than ideal for a bgs matchup.
Spider-Woman (55 sec): Again, inequity will mess him up and lead to a timeout with a decent loss of health at best.
Bullseye (52 sec): Now this is where I do a slight bit of math to show why this matchup is not decent by any means. In the video we see Solvarch nuke Bullseye with a beautiful sp3. Unfortunately this matchup seems too risky for most scenarios. To see why, let's analyze the numbers a bit. Sp3 does 79k damage with a 171k burst which equals about 250k. A r4 Bullseye has around 400k health if I'm correct and we see the sp3 knock him out at %60 hp which is about 240k health points. Here is the tricky part, Solvarch had 76 core charges when he threw the sp3 which resulted in 10k excess damage. By the way his reverb scales with core charges, had he lost a few milliseconds and went down to 72 when he threw the sp3 he would have lost around 10k burst damage (around the same as the excess damage he had in the video) and considering the rounding error he would have been just a bit off from the knockout, probably resulting in eating an sp3 afterwards. Had it not been picture perfect as in the video his damage would have been barely off and it only gets worse for the passing of each second equaling about a 10k damage loss per second. I personally don't find a matchup with such strict numbers in play decent and wouldn't even attempt it at all. This was almost a miracle, not a realistic showcase of his capabilities.
Onslaught (32 sec): What can I say, this guy was made to nuke champions who inflict constant energy DoT. He excels at those matchups like no other but you can clearly see how limited those are unless nodes are involved. Seems insanely fun for them though, what a guy.
Captain Britain (39 sec): Same as Onslaught but I don't expect her to be meta relevant, a meta merchant at best. Not much else to say.
Jean Grey (39 sec): Poor Jean...
Mister Sinister ( 1 min 2 sec): The fact that Solvarch is not an actual robot really hurts him here, you can't do medium combo enders ever. He also doesn't have anything to counter ability accuracy reduction so pick whatever special you wanna bait, it'll mess you up. Not the best not the worst but far from ideal. All of Mister Sinister's threats are there, he only lacks the regen in this fight which is definitely valuable but still. Just serviceable at best and can't dare to call him a counter.
Iceman (31 sec): He nukes, fair and simple. Only downsides are the fact that he can't inflict coldsnap since Iceman is immune and you take some coldsnap damage even though a portion of it is healed back. Nonetheless a hp loss of over 10% is not the greatest but its Iceman afterall. Don't even worry about it, you probably won't ever face a r4 sig 200 Iceman. If you do you may have already lost that match, not even Solvarch would save you from such a whale.
Domino (39 sec): Constant energy damage is both nice and not nice. Nick loses over 10% hp yet again here but the main problem is the ability accuracy reduction, although not as much as your average champion you will still rely on RNG and there's no way around it. Literally a luck based fight that would be hard to consistently pull off as quickly as in the video. One great thing worth mentioning is the fact that you can prevent evade with your coldsnap which simplifies the fight quite a lot. Not a tricky fight at all, just a bit luck dependent which sucks since I'm never lucky 😞
Dust (1 min 2 sec): Nothing special here. Her sandstorm does inflict constant energy damage but do you really wanna trigger that? Honestly not sure if that can be a viable strategy, I'm curious now. Another 10% hp lost here as well and it also took quite a bit of time. Not great but not that bad either. Just... What was the word... Mid?
Enchantress (1 min 6 sec): I can probably count 200+ champions that can do this fight as effectively as Solvarch did in the video. I find it pointless to analyze an Enchantress fight tbh. Even Domino isn't as luck and AI dependent as her, pretty sure that Solvarch can do a lot better and a lot worse in this fight. Nothing to comment on, happens every once in a while when Enchantress decides to play nice.
Overall only 4-5 of these matchups at most could be considered ideal or great imo. The rest are either nothing noteworthy or just straight up out of reach for Solvarch. He seems like quite the specialist. You can claim that he has the damage, that he has the utility but he definitely does not have any versatility whatsoever. So this analysis will wrap up my final thoughts on the champion for now until we see more from him and I hope it makes sense to anyone unfortunate to read this mess. My general thoughts on him are out here in the comments piece by piece as if anyone would be interested. At least he looks cool.
Something to add on Bullseye is that his Cruelty gives physical resistence and thats one of Solvarch main weaknesses,it cost me a fight in war few minutes ago
Were you a punching a rank above? And also did you use sp3? Cause I think those are two things you have to keep in mind when you use him against Bullseye.
@GilbertoJunior@ItsClobberinTime You both have been trying your hardest to change everyone’s mind about Solvarch being mid/bad since he released 🤧 Clobber been jumping through hoops to try and do something with Solvarch that make him seem good…. and you’ve yet to do so. Clobber, many of us already have Solmid at R3-R4 and the common consensus is that he's still as mid as he is at any other rank. That won’t change because you specifically are gonna test him the same rank. We don’t need an update, we’ve seen what he can do. The champion needs a tune up. It’s that simple. You see the reviews for Solvarch even on youtube… they say the same shi. Rather than trying to persuade people he is better than he is… it would be more effective to talk about how soon his tune-up will be happening.
The reason you think he's trash is because you have the cognitive ability of a sloth. I showed you the r2 doing the exact same fight you tried with the r3 30 seconds faster than you because you have no clue how to use him (absolutely hilarious r3 a champ you don't even know how to use and refuse to learn) and you just keep ignoring everything and replying with the same "he's trash" answer lol. I never claimed he's the best, and I definitely think he needs a small tune up to his ramp and charge decay. Saying he's trash right now in his current state when he nukes the mutant class as a whole except for one or two defenders tho is absolutely hilarious and a very ignorant thing to say especially when you yourself continue to glaze Patriot, a champ known as a one trick pony because he can't even counter the entire science class he even supercharges some defenders like Spider Woman and he's absolutely useless on defense 💀 I also don't know how you can even say all the reviews from YT are the same, Nick136 and Seatin think he's fine for what he's supposed to do in his target matchups. The only one crying about it and calling him bad is KT1 and we all know KT1 loves to cry about a lot of things in general.
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Just took him to r2, and tried same sp3 rotation, exact same fight.
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k. Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others. I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
I felt like doing an analysis with just a bit of simplified math, hope I don't mess this up.
If we're discussing over the video Nick136 posted then I'll have small calculations and share some insights to disprove some of the false impressions created as seen on this post. I'll go case by case for his best performances against certain champions but keep in mind that both Solvarch and the defender is r4 in this video. I'll just analyze the matchups as seen in the video so prepare for some excessive yapping while I act as if someone cares.
Photon (1 min 9 sec): I don't think there's much to analyze here, with just the addition of Inequity this matchup clearly won't work at all or take much longer than ideal for a bgs matchup.
Spider-Woman (55 sec): Again, inequity will mess him up and lead to a timeout with a decent loss of health at best.
Bullseye (52 sec): Now this is where I do a slight bit of math to show why this matchup is not decent by any means. In the video we see Solvarch nuke Bullseye with a beautiful sp3. Unfortunately this matchup seems too risky for most scenarios. To see why, let's analyze the numbers a bit. Sp3 does 79k damage with a 171k burst which equals about 250k. A r4 Bullseye has around 400k health if I'm correct and we see the sp3 knock him out at %60 hp which is about 240k health points. Here is the tricky part, Solvarch had 76 core charges when he threw the sp3 which resulted in 10k excess damage. By the way his reverb scales with core charges, had he lost a few milliseconds and went down to 72 when he threw the sp3 he would have lost around 10k burst damage (around the same as the excess damage he had in the video) and considering the rounding error he would have been just a bit off from the knockout, probably resulting in eating an sp3 afterwards. Had it not been picture perfect as in the video his damage would have been barely off and it only gets worse for the passing of each second equaling about a 10k damage loss per second. I personally don't find a matchup with such strict numbers in play decent and wouldn't even attempt it at all. This was almost a miracle, not a realistic showcase of his capabilities.
Onslaught (32 sec): What can I say, this guy was made to nuke champions who inflict constant energy DoT. He excels at those matchups like no other but you can clearly see how limited those are unless nodes are involved. Seems insanely fun for them though, what a guy.
Captain Britain (39 sec): Same as Onslaught but I don't expect her to be meta relevant, a meta merchant at best. Not much else to say.
Jean Grey (39 sec): Poor Jean...
Mister Sinister ( 1 min 2 sec): The fact that Solvarch is not an actual robot really hurts him here, you can't do medium combo enders ever. He also doesn't have anything to counter ability accuracy reduction so pick whatever special you wanna bait, it'll mess you up. Not the best not the worst but far from ideal. All of Mister Sinister's threats are there, he only lacks the regen in this fight which is definitely valuable but still. Just serviceable at best and can't dare to call him a counter.
Iceman (31 sec): He nukes, fair and simple. Only downsides are the fact that he can't inflict coldsnap since Iceman is immune and you take some coldsnap damage even though a portion of it is healed back. Nonetheless a hp loss of over 10% is not the greatest but its Iceman afterall. Don't even worry about it, you probably won't ever face a r4 sig 200 Iceman. If you do you may have already lost that match, not even Solvarch would save you from such a whale.
Domino (39 sec): Constant energy damage is both nice and not nice. Nick loses over 10% hp yet again here but the main problem is the ability accuracy reduction, although not as much as your average champion you will still rely on RNG and there's no way around it. Literally a luck based fight that would be hard to consistently pull off as quickly as in the video. One great thing worth mentioning is the fact that you can prevent evade with your coldsnap which simplifies the fight quite a lot. Not a tricky fight at all, just a bit luck dependent which sucks since I'm never lucky 😞
Dust (1 min 2 sec): Nothing special here. Her sandstorm does inflict constant energy damage but do you really wanna trigger that? Honestly not sure if that can be a viable strategy, I'm curious now. Another 10% hp lost here as well and it also took quite a bit of time. Not great but not that bad either. Just... What was the word... Mid?
Enchantress (1 min 6 sec): I can probably count 200+ champions that can do this fight as effectively as Solvarch did in the video. I find it pointless to analyze an Enchantress fight tbh. Even Domino isn't as luck and AI dependent as her, pretty sure that Solvarch can do a lot better and a lot worse in this fight. Nothing to comment on, happens every once in a while when Enchantress decides to play nice.
Overall only 4-5 of these matchups at most could be considered ideal or great imo. The rest are either nothing noteworthy or just straight up out of reach for Solvarch. He seems like quite the specialist. You can claim that he has the damage, that he has the utility but he definitely does not have any versatility whatsoever. So this analysis will wrap up my final thoughts on the champion for now until we see more from him and I hope it makes sense to anyone unfortunate to read this mess. My general thoughts on him are out here in the comments piece by piece as if anyone would be interested. At least he looks cool.
I do agree with some of your points but I disagree with a few.
1. Bullseye: after you throw that sp1 it's very hard to screw up and lose charges unless your reaction time is not that good. That's how I've been doing that WS in ROL and so far it plays perfectly, bait two sp2s and fight's done. The only thing that could screw this up is the metas mainly power gain ones, now of course I could be wrong but I'm definitely willing to try this matchup myself and I will once he's r3. I definitely don't think it'll be as hard as you think 2. Sinister: I don't think it's really as bad as you make it sound, I've done Sinister with champs like FAM and Red Skull and the rotation is pretty much the same as with Solvarch. Bait heavy and push to sp2, and the fight usually goes pretty well, I do think however he should've used sp3 here not sp2 sp1 like he did. Again, another match up I will definitely be trying myself. 3. Dust, Domino: I agree he's not the best and he will either take long or lose some hp but the way I see Solvarch for these fights is as a last resort. We all have been screwed by luck RNG, what if your opponent didn't get a counter for your defender that's an easy win right there. If you draft a better counter you can always throw him on defense instead. 4. Enchantress: another champ where I think he used the wrong rotation, what I will be trying out is bait two sp1s and go straight to sp3 before she throws sp2 but fight has to be over after her sp2. 5. Capt. Britain: I think she will be a lot more relevant than you think and that increases Solvarch's value, not saying she's this unkillable defender but she is very tanky you have to slow play it without a counter.
I do take back the Photon and Spider Woman comments tho, Inequity is absolutely going to be a problem there. I'm still going to try both but you might be onto something. Also, another thing is he likely won't be able to punch a rank above unless it's a mutant or a matchup where you can get all 10 energize passives so that is something worth keeping in mind. I doubt he will be this insane dual threat like Spider Woman but personally, I do think there's some value and potential there, we'll see.
I mean if Captain Britain actually turns out to be meta relevant then he'd definitely hold a lot more value, I'm just skeptical cause I literally haven't seen her at all - not even the 7 star- after that 2 week meta where she was overtuned. You might also have a point with Bullseye but it just seems like a bit of a strict rotation from what I've seen, maybe I'm overreacting? As for those mutants I feel like he just doesn't offer much extra other than damage, depends on how practical his rotation is but there are so many techs I'd use over him that I probably wouldn't even put him in the deck at that point.
I honestly don't have much else to say now that I've been typing out essays for the past few days, gonna wait and see how people make use of him. Also not sure if I can speak for the majority of youtube but from what I've seen from some celestial players in livestream comments is that they're also quite underwhelmed at the moment and even considering him "mid". Some were expecting him to be viable as a defender at best.
Overall I think that we'll need at least some time to judge his bgs performance since metas this season don't benefit him at all, it may take a while if he is to ever perform in some meta. Maybe they also release some defenders designed as target matchups for him, who knows?..
@ItsClobberinTime You 100% care about all the arguing… your actions show it. Doesn’t matter if you sayyyy you don’t if your actions don’t show it. 💀 & calling me a narcissist proves that you have no idea what narcissism is. 🤧
But you know what… since you’re so upset about it… and i’m such a nice, caring guy……. Let me know your exact rotation that makes Solvarch seem decent in your eyes and i’ll actually go and test it out and let you know if it changes my mind or not. So just SP1 and SP3?
Go watch the video I posted? It has multiple rotations that give him decent enough damage to deal with the current problematic meta defenders. He literally takes all current meta relevant mutants, Zola, Spider Woman and Bullseye in under a minute what else do you want? You keep glazing Patriot every single day but this is trash? Patriot is literally ass for anyone that isn't Photon.
Anyways, you build to three bars and while at 100 core charges you throw sp1 to get 5 energize then do mm mlllm while they're stunned and sp3 immediately. If a r1 is getting 240k damage in one rotation then a r3 should be close to ko WS with one, if he doesn't you're doing something wrong and just to prove that I will r3 mine before Bastion so you can finally stop complaining and spreading misinformation.
Used this exact rotation I mentioned on a non energy non mutant matchup and the sp3 was 138k in total for a r1 Solvarch:
Total damage was 235k, how is 235k damage for a r1 bad? Sure he isn't the fastest I won't argue that, but he can easily punch same rank defenders including non mutant non energy ones like Bullseye in roughly 50-55 secs. Doesn't mean he's insane but he's not trash at all, or mid especially when you think someone like Patriot is top tier lol.
Tried special damage stat focus previously and the total sp3 damage was 138k, you think it'd be better than armor penetration but I tried it with armor penetration right now and the sp3 damage went from 138k to 151k
So it seems armor penetration is definitely the way to go with him, again this is r1 Solvarch. I'll be taking him to r4 after Crucible to see what he can really do.
Just took him to r2, and tried same sp3 rotation, exact same fight.
At r1, the sp3 damage was 151k and total damage was 262k. At r2 the sp3 damage went up to 194k and total damage went up to 334k. Basically, sp3 damage increased by nearly 50k, total damage increased by nearly 75k. Sure sp3 rotation still isn't the fastest but if it continues scaling this way then he will have zero issues taking out same rank Bullseye Photon Spider Woman and Enchantress with that rotation even if it takes about 50-55 secs, better than getting straight up outdrafted without a counter. And then he will of course be a tank on defense if you really don't have a defender to use him against or if you draft a better counter.
I will continue to update next week when I take him to r3, and eventually r4 once I do the Crucible. There's a solid chance he might even be able to punch a whole rank above even against Bullseye and the others. I'll definitely be doing a lot of testing this BGs season as well, that sp3 rotation is being slept on.
I felt like doing an analysis with just a bit of simplified math, hope I don't mess this up.
If we're discussing over the video Nick136 posted then I'll have small calculations and share some insights to disprove some of the false impressions created as seen on this post. I'll go case by case for his best performances against certain champions but keep in mind that both Solvarch and the defender is r4 in this video. I'll just analyze the matchups as seen in the video so prepare for some excessive yapping while I act as if someone cares.
Photon (1 min 9 sec): I don't think there's much to analyze here, with just the addition of Inequity this matchup clearly won't work at all or take much longer than ideal for a bgs matchup.
Spider-Woman (55 sec): Again, inequity will mess him up and lead to a timeout with a decent loss of health at best.
Bullseye (52 sec): Now this is where I do a slight bit of math to show why this matchup is not decent by any means. In the video we see Solvarch nuke Bullseye with a beautiful sp3. Unfortunately this matchup seems too risky for most scenarios. To see why, let's analyze the numbers a bit. Sp3 does 79k damage with a 171k burst which equals about 250k. A r4 Bullseye has around 400k health if I'm correct and we see the sp3 knock him out at %60 hp which is about 240k health points. Here is the tricky part, Solvarch had 76 core charges when he threw the sp3 which resulted in 10k excess damage. By the way his reverb scales with core charges, had he lost a few milliseconds and went down to 72 when he threw the sp3 he would have lost around 10k burst damage (around the same as the excess damage he had in the video) and considering the rounding error he would have been just a bit off from the knockout, probably resulting in eating an sp3 afterwards. Had it not been picture perfect as in the video his damage would have been barely off and it only gets worse for the passing of each second equaling about a 10k damage loss per second. I personally don't find a matchup with such strict numbers in play decent and wouldn't even attempt it at all. This was almost a miracle, not a realistic showcase of his capabilities.
Onslaught (32 sec): What can I say, this guy was made to nuke champions who inflict constant energy DoT. He excels at those matchups like no other but you can clearly see how limited those are unless nodes are involved. Seems insanely fun for them though, what a guy.
Captain Britain (39 sec): Same as Onslaught but I don't expect her to be meta relevant, a meta merchant at best. Not much else to say.
Jean Grey (39 sec): Poor Jean...
Mister Sinister ( 1 min 2 sec): The fact that Solvarch is not an actual robot really hurts him here, you can't do medium combo enders ever. He also doesn't have anything to counter ability accuracy reduction so pick whatever special you wanna bait, it'll mess you up. Not the best not the worst but far from ideal. All of Mister Sinister's threats are there, he only lacks the regen in this fight which is definitely valuable but still. Just serviceable at best and can't dare to call him a counter.
Iceman (31 sec): He nukes, fair and simple. Only downsides are the fact that he can't inflict coldsnap since Iceman is immune and you take some coldsnap damage even though a portion of it is healed back. Nonetheless a hp loss of over 10% is not the greatest but its Iceman afterall. Don't even worry about it, you probably won't ever face a r4 sig 200 Iceman. If you do you may have already lost that match, not even Solvarch would save you from such a whale.
Domino (39 sec): Constant energy damage is both nice and not nice. Nick loses over 10% hp yet again here but the main problem is the ability accuracy reduction, although not as much as your average champion you will still rely on RNG and there's no way around it. Literally a luck based fight that would be hard to consistently pull off as quickly as in the video. One great thing worth mentioning is the fact that you can prevent evade with your coldsnap which simplifies the fight quite a lot. Not a tricky fight at all, just a bit luck dependent which sucks since I'm never lucky 😞
Dust (1 min 2 sec): Nothing special here. Her sandstorm does inflict constant energy damage but do you really wanna trigger that? Honestly not sure if that can be a viable strategy, I'm curious now. Another 10% hp lost here as well and it also took quite a bit of time. Not great but not that bad either. Just... What was the word... Mid?
Enchantress (1 min 6 sec): I can probably count 200+ champions that can do this fight as effectively as Solvarch did in the video. I find it pointless to analyze an Enchantress fight tbh. Even Domino isn't as luck and AI dependent as her, pretty sure that Solvarch can do a lot better and a lot worse in this fight. Nothing to comment on, happens every once in a while when Enchantress decides to play nice.
Overall only 4-5 of these matchups at most could be considered ideal or great imo. The rest are either nothing noteworthy or just straight up out of reach for Solvarch. He seems like quite the specialist. You can claim that he has the damage, that he has the utility but he definitely does not have any versatility whatsoever. So this analysis will wrap up my final thoughts on the champion for now until we see more from him and I hope it makes sense to anyone unfortunate to read this mess. My general thoughts on him are out here in the comments piece by piece as if anyone would be interested. At least he looks cool.
I do agree with some of your points but I disagree with a few.
1. Bullseye: after you throw that sp1 it's very hard to screw up and lose charges unless your reaction time is not that good. That's how I've been doing that WS in ROL and so far it plays perfectly, bait two sp2s and fight's done. The only thing that could screw this up is the metas mainly power gain ones, now of course I could be wrong but I'm definitely willing to try this matchup myself and I will once he's r3. I definitely don't think it'll be as hard as you think 2. Sinister: I don't think it's really as bad as you make it sound, I've done Sinister with champs like FAM and Red Skull and the rotation is pretty much the same as with Solvarch. Bait heavy and push to sp2, and the fight usually goes pretty well, I do think however he should've used sp3 here not sp2 sp1 like he did. Again, another match up I will definitely be trying myself. 3. Dust, Domino: I agree he's not the best and he will either take long or lose some hp but the way I see Solvarch for these fights is as a last resort. We all have been screwed by luck RNG, what if your opponent didn't get a counter for your defender that's an easy win right there. If you draft a better counter you can always throw him on defense instead. 4. Enchantress: another champ where I think he used the wrong rotation, what I will be trying out is bait two sp1s and go straight to sp3 before she throws sp2 but fight has to be over after her sp2. 5. Capt. Britain: I think she will be a lot more relevant than you think and that increases Solvarch's value, not saying she's this unkillable defender but she is very tanky you have to slow play it without a counter.
I do take back the Photon and Spider Woman comments tho, Inequity is absolutely going to be a problem there. I'm still going to try both but you might be onto something. Also, another thing is he likely won't be able to punch a rank above unless it's a mutant or a matchup where you can get all 10 energize passives so that is something worth keeping in mind. I doubt he will be this insane dual threat like Spider Woman but personally, I do think there's some value and potential there, we'll see.
I mean if Captain Britain actually turns out to be meta relevant then he'd definitely hold a lot more value, I'm just skeptical cause I literally haven't seen her at all - not even the 7 star- after that 2 week meta where she was overtuned. You might also have a point with Bullseye but it just seems like a bit of a strict rotation from what I've seen, maybe I'm overreacting? As for those mutants I feel like he just doesn't offer much extra other than damage, depends on how practical his rotation is but there are so many techs I'd use over him that I probably wouldn't even put him in the deck at that point.
I honestly don't have much else to say now that I've been typing out essays for the past few days, gonna wait and see how people make use of him. Also not sure if I can speak for the majority of youtube but from what I've seen from some celestial players in livestream comments is that they're also quite underwhelmed at the moment and even considering him "mid". Some were expecting him to be viable as a defender at best.
Overall I think that we'll need at least some time to judge his bgs performance since metas this season don't benefit him at all, it may take a while if he is to ever perform in some meta. Maybe they also release some defenders designed as target matchups for him, who knows?..
I feel like a lot of people probably haven't even ranked up the 7* yet since we just got her from the plat track a few days ago so we'll see, we have to give it some time but for me she looks very annoying without a counter, just a big time stall and she interrupts basically every special rotation. It does sound like a very tight rotation against Bullseye on paper but it's easy to pull off, only problem is when we get bs power gain nodes those will probably slow down the fight considerably but again last resort, worst case scenario you throw him on defense. It is mostly the damage yes but what's so interesting to me is the fact that he nukes nearly an entire class, but yes too early I guess we'll see. I just don't agree with calling him trash, calling him mid and being skeptical is fair but I think he's on the more on the useful side than trash just from first impressions.
His basic damage is terrible. Every other champ that doesn't crit has something to make a difference there....
Medium Attacks: Solvarch - 1854
...The others all do something useful to make up for not critting, and Solvarch has his weak Coldsnap. I can get a semi-cooperative Winter Soldier down in less than 90 seconds with r3 Solvarch
Just for a comparison of r3 to r3, Prowler's base medium attacks do 1845 damage; but with decent crit RNG at Sig 20, he can put Winter Soldier down in 60 seconds.
@ItsClobberinTime Lmao the fight I told you about with my 7* R3 was one of the first fights I did… After I said that I obviously practiced him more 🤣 ye did better time when I used the right rotation… but he still isn’t fast enough. Notice how you’re having to send paragraphs worth of Solvarch waffle to try and persuade someone that he’s good 💀 my son… there’s a reason your opinion is in the minority… because we have all used the champion and he’s known to be mid as hell. The cope is STRONG with you my guy 🤧 His damage is horrendous, he’s niché asf, and there’s no reason to use him over the WAYY better tech champs. He needs a buff. Simple.
@ItsClobberinTime Lmao the fight I told you about with my 7* R3 was one of the first fights I did… After I said that I obviously practiced him more 🤣 ye did better time when I used the right rotation… but he still isn’t fast enough. Notice how you’re having to send paragraphs worth of Solvarch waffle to try and persuade someone that he’s good 💀 my son… there’s a reason your opinion is in the minority… because we have all used the champion and he’s known to be mid as hell. The cope is STRONG with you my guy 🤧 His damage is horrendous, he’s niché asf, and there’s no reason to use him over the WAYY better tech champs. He needs a buff. Simple.
You obviously didn't use the right rotation because you're still calling him slow lmfao he does 550k hp in under a minute and that's slow? Did you forget how to count or you just don't know how time works?
I'm not trying to persuade you, I'm pointing out how you have the cognitive ability of a sloth for glazing Patriot whose only purpose is Photon and sucks for half the science class because he even supercharges some defenders by putting debuffs on himself, and then call Solvarch bad when he already does more than Patriot 💀
He's another of the game's over 100 mid-tier champions. There are at least two every month. I think we may never again see a champion who's useful in every scenario. The focus has increasingly been on champions for extremely specific scenarios or focused on specific defenders. He's more of a counter to Onslaught and mutants in general. I'd say he was specifically designed for Captain Britain and her Neuroshocks. He'll be a reasonable defender; it seems the cosmic ones handle him without any major issues. Unfortunately, all the versatile champions have fallen victim to Rarity Lock: Kate Bishop, Hulkling, Hercules, Magik, Quake, Ghost, Valkyrie, Scorpion, Absorbing Man... There's no point in expecting anything like this from new champions. Not every champion needs to be versatile or extremely good on offense. But I got the feeling his rotation is very slow. I didn't feel like using him at all.
Why is he designed for Captain Britain? Who is even using her or wants to use her?
He's another of the game's over 100 mid-tier champions. There are at least two every month. I think we may never again see a champion who's useful in every scenario. The focus has increasingly been on champions for extremely specific scenarios or focused on specific defenders. He's more of a counter to Onslaught and mutants in general. I'd say he was specifically designed for Captain Britain and her Neuroshocks. He'll be a reasonable defender; it seems the cosmic ones handle him without any major issues. Unfortunately, all the versatile champions have fallen victim to Rarity Lock: Kate Bishop, Hulkling, Hercules, Magik, Quake, Ghost, Valkyrie, Scorpion, Absorbing Man... There's no point in expecting anything like this from new champions. Not every champion needs to be versatile or extremely good on offense. But I got the feeling his rotation is very slow. I didn't feel like using him at all.
Why is he designed for Captain Britain? Who is even using her or wants to use her?
She's very annoying after the buff on defense, if you don't use someone who doesn't crit you take a good amount of chip damage if you don't slow play it, if you slow play it it's a long fight because of the safeguard and everything else. Even champs who don't crit have to slow play it because she triggers the passive every single time you knock her down and when she throws sp1. Offensively she's still slow but defensively she will probably be very relevant soon it's just that almost nobody has ranked her up yet.
@ItsClobberinTime Hes slow lmao why you think the majority opinion is that his damage sucks and that he’s mid? 🤣🤣 we’ve got Captain Cope over here. He needs a buff my son. Solvarch slow as hell.
You aren't even fully listening to each other's points - it's just melted into personal attacks flinging back and forth, we're not doing that here.
550k HP in 60 seconds is objectively not slow. Sometimes it seems like things are said just to troll and stoke arguments - we're not doing that either. Keep the discussions productive and respectful, please.
It's completely fine if you don't vibe with a character; you don't need to convince people they're wrong for liking a character in a game.
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I never claimed he's the best, and I definitely think he needs a small tune up to his ramp and charge decay. Saying he's trash right now in his current state when he nukes the mutant class as a whole except for one or two defenders tho is absolutely hilarious and a very ignorant thing to say especially when you yourself continue to glaze Patriot, a champ known as a one trick pony because he can't even counter the entire science class he even supercharges some defenders like Spider Woman and he's absolutely useless on defense 💀
I also don't know how you can even say all the reviews from YT are the same, Nick136 and Seatin think he's fine for what he's supposed to do in his target matchups. The only one crying about it and calling him bad is KT1 and we all know KT1 loves to cry about a lot of things in general.
I honestly don't have much else to say now that I've been typing out essays for the past few days, gonna wait and see how people make use of him. Also not sure if I can speak for the majority of youtube but from what I've seen from some celestial players in livestream comments is that they're also quite underwhelmed at the moment and even considering him "mid". Some were expecting him to be viable as a defender at best.
Overall I think that we'll need at least some time to judge his bgs performance since metas this season don't benefit him at all, it may take a while if he is to ever perform in some meta. Maybe they also release some defenders designed as target matchups for him, who knows?..
It does sound like a very tight rotation against Bullseye on paper but it's easy to pull off, only problem is when we get bs power gain nodes those will probably slow down the fight considerably but again last resort, worst case scenario you throw him on defense.
It is mostly the damage yes but what's so interesting to me is the fact that he nukes nearly an entire class, but yes too early I guess we'll see. I just don't agree with calling him trash, calling him mid and being skeptical is fair but I think he's on the more on the useful side than trash just from first impressions.
I'm not trying to persuade you, I'm pointing out how you have the cognitive ability of a sloth for glazing Patriot whose only purpose is Photon and sucks for half the science class because he even supercharges some defenders by putting debuffs on himself, and then call Solvarch bad when he already does more than Patriot 💀
You aren't even fully listening to each other's points - it's just melted into personal attacks flinging back and forth, we're not doing that here.
550k HP in 60 seconds is objectively not slow.
Sometimes it seems like things are said just to troll and stoke arguments - we're not doing that either.
Keep the discussions productive and respectful, please.
It's completely fine if you don't vibe with a character; you don't need to convince people they're wrong for liking a character in a game.