Bring back full diversity points in AW

CableCable Posts: 309 ★★
After playing alliance wars over the weekend it is evident that top tiers are bypassing diversity all together and Alliance Wars has become a full fledge Mystic Wars. It's getting so ridiculous that alliances are pressuring players to purchase Mystic Dispersion. The power gain nodes in combination to mystic dispersion are beyond ridiculous especially when it comes to Magik. @Adora at NYCCC this year you indicated that diversity point would make alliance wars more enjoyable.... well guess what until the game team reincoporates full diversity scoring so that players aren't just loading up with mystic champions on every path and boss.

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  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Posts: 1,556 ★★★★
    I’m finding that diversity wins wars more often than maximum mystic BS, seeing as blade, hulk, AA and I’m sure I’m missing a few, cut through mystics easily
  • Apocalypse189Apocalypse189 Posts: 914 ★★★
    I’m pretty sure they reduced the diversity because it was always deciding the result.

    The newest update to aw scoring brought in two new ways to score and imo it’s very good.

    Diversity was ruining aw before they fixed it
    Diversity not ruining aw and you want it back to the beginning?
  • TBJ1118TBJ1118 Posts: 228
    No one in top tiers rubs mystic defense anymore, since blade. Plus, now many others are good counters to that strategy
  • MattScottMattScott Posts: 587 ★★
    Spider-Man, Medusa, Hyperion, Modok
  • Apocalypse189Apocalypse189 Posts: 914 ★★★
    edited February 2018
    MattScott wrote: »
    Spider-Man, Medusa, Hyperion, Modok

    Don’t forget void
    killmonger (soon to be released)
  • RiegelRiegel Posts: 1,089 ★★★★
    I haven't seen a mystic war in months.
  • Apocalypse189Apocalypse189 Posts: 914 ★★★
    Riegel wrote: »
    I haven't seen a mystic war in months.

    That’s because they’re so scared of Blade
  • RiegelRiegel Posts: 1,089 ★★★★
    Riegel wrote: »
    I haven't seen a mystic war in months.

    That’s because they’re so scared of Blade

    Just because at the top level of aw you need every point you can get.
  • VoluntarisVoluntaris Posts: 1,133 ★★★
    Cable wrote: »
    After playing alliance wars over the weekend it is evident that top tiers are bypassing diversity all together and Alliance Wars has become a full fledge Mystic Wars. It's getting so ridiculous that alliances are pressuring players to purchase Mystic Dispersion. The power gain nodes in combination to mystic dispersion are beyond ridiculous especially when it comes to Magik. @Adora at NYCCC this year you indicated that diversity point would make alliance wars more enjoyable.... well guess what until the game team reincoporates full diversity scoring so that players aren't just loading up with mystic champions on every path and boss.

    i'm in tier 2 and diversity most certainly still plays a large part... and issues with mystics? in the actual top tiers most have a 5 star ranked blade
  • AxeCopFireAxeCopFire Posts: 1,115 ★★★
    Cable wrote: »
    After playing alliance wars over the weekend it is evident that top tiers are bypassing diversity all together and Alliance Wars has become a full fledge Mystic Wars. It's getting so ridiculous that alliances are pressuring players to purchase Mystic Dispersion. The power gain nodes in combination to mystic dispersion are beyond ridiculous especially when it comes to Magik. @Adora at NYCCC this year you indicated that diversity point would make alliance wars more enjoyable.... well guess what until the game team reincoporates full diversity scoring so that players aren't just loading up with mystic champions on every path and boss.

    Do you even war bro?
  • RehctansBewRehctansBew Posts: 436 ★★★
    Please for the love of all that is holy, bring back defender kills. With the new seasons approaching spenders will win every war. Watched this last war as we had a 105 to 186 defender difference. The points for wins on the first, second and thrid tries are a joke. When you see bank rolled teams just blowing cash to get through someone. No skill involved still in War, just big wallets.
  • MhykkeMhykke Posts: 422 ★★★
    Cable wrote: »
    After playing alliance wars over the weekend it is evident that top tiers are bypassing diversity all together and Alliance Wars has become a full fledge Mystic Wars. It's getting so ridiculous that alliances are pressuring players to purchase Mystic Dispersion. The power gain nodes in combination to mystic dispersion are beyond ridiculous especially when it comes to Magik. @Adora at NYCCC this year you indicated that diversity point would make alliance wars more enjoyable.... well guess what until the game team reincoporates full diversity scoring so that players aren't just loading up with mystic champions on every path and boss.

    Please define "top tier". What tiers are you talking about?

  • ss1100ss1100 Posts: 365
    Cable wrote: »
    After playing alliance wars over the weekend it is evident that top tiers are bypassing diversity all together and Alliance Wars has become a full fledge Mystic Wars. It's getting so ridiculous that alliances are pressuring players to purchase Mystic Dispersion. The power gain nodes in combination to mystic dispersion are beyond ridiculous especially when it comes to Magik. @Adora at NYCCC this year you indicated that diversity point would make alliance wars more enjoyable.... well guess what until the game team reincoporates full diversity scoring so that players aren't just loading up with mystic champions on every path and boss.

    well yes there has been a couple more magiks n juggs around.. so??
  • Please for the love of all that is holy, bring back defender kills. With the new seasons approaching spenders will win every war. Watched this last war as we had a 105 to 186 defender difference. The points for wins on the first, second and thrid tries are a joke. When you see bank rolled teams just blowing cash to get through someone. No skill involved still in War, just big wallets.

    Let me guess. You didn't have full or at least close to full diversity?
    Or you didn't clear the map and they did?
    Why are you focused on defender kills when that isn't the reason you lost?

    If you didn't clear the map and they spent to clear theirs they deserve to win.

    Also, If you have full diversity and clear the map without dying very much, it is pretty difficult to beat you with a credit card.

    I personally think attacker bonus is one of the best things Kabam has done for AW in a long time.

    But on topic. Mystic defenders hasn't been a problem in our wars yet. We're in T4
  • Zuko_ILCZuko_ILC Posts: 1,177 ★★★★
    Blade and Hulk Ragnarok will make those mystics a joke, I for one like the set up as I don't use items in AW anymore.
  • Jimmy_Utah83Jimmy_Utah83 Posts: 246
    In the new tier 4 (old tier 2) I hesitate to put Magik as a war boss even with high MD b/c of Blade, (now) Hulk Rags, Voodoo and others. Personally I don't mind seeing Magik as a boss b/c my 4/55 Voodoo wrecks her.
  • Cable wrote: »
    @Adora at NYCCC this year you indicated that diversity point would make alliance wars more enjoyable....

    For the most part, evidence says she was wrong.
  • linuxlinux Posts: 280
    Cable wrote: »
    After playing alliance wars over the weekend it is evident that top tiers are bypassing diversity all together and Alliance Wars has become a full fledge Mystic Wars. It's getting so ridiculous that alliances are pressuring players to purchase Mystic Dispersion. The power gain nodes in combination to mystic dispersion are beyond ridiculous especially when it comes to Magik. @Adora at NYCCC this year you indicated that diversity point would make alliance wars more enjoyable.... well guess what until the game team reincoporates full diversity scoring so that players aren't just loading up with mystic champions on every path and boss.

    In T3-T4, the winning strategy is a combination. We try for a diversity of at least 40 per BG, which translates into up to 10 duplicate champs.

    Most nodes aren't going to get a kill even with a 4/55 Magik or Dormamu; so rather than placing lots of duplicates, we decided a number of champs which are worth duplicating (for specific nodes), and designed the most diverse defense we could within those constraints. The result is competitive, but with some incentive to search for champs which are interesting for nodes where they might be difficult. I think this is a good result.

    I'd prefer that diversity actually be a tie breaker, or that they minimized the numbers coprime with attacker bonus points (if you lose attacker bonus by 3 and win diversity by 8, with everything else equal it's a tie; similarly for any integer multiples). For the latter, changing diversity to 29 or 31 points would be enough. But other than that, I think it's now working in a reasonable way.
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