Potential Delay to v44.1 Launch
We are currently working through some issues that may affect the release window of v44.1. This means that the update may not release on Monday as it usually does. We are working to resolve the issue holding us up as quickly as possible, but will keep you all updated, especially if the delay results in any changes to the content release schedule.
We are currently working through some issues that may affect the release window of v44.1. This means that the update may not release on Monday as it usually does. We are working to resolve the issue holding us up as quickly as possible, but will keep you all updated, especially if the delay results in any changes to the content release schedule.
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Actually there is such a thing as passive debuffs, dorm's degen being one of them. If there are not passive debuffs, how do you explain ragnarok hulk's Face Me ability?
Actually its 65.25%
Since 45% of the original percent chance is 20.25
Adding them is 65.25
Both our math may still be off lol
It is 58%. Kabam himself admitted it being 58%.
I would interpret that would extend to blade as his danger sense is a passive ability.
You can test it over hundreds of fights. With a large enough sample size you will get close to the actual %.
Yeah, but Blade ignores immunities. "This Ability Accuracy reduction ignores Dimensional Beings’ Immunities."
So Blade's ability trumps the immunity lol
That's the whole arguemet with blade right now. Mordo isn't a dimensional being so at its base danger sense wouldn't affect him. When blade is paired with GR however that synergy extends danger sense to affect villains as well, which Mordo is. The same goes for dorm/mephisto extending to mystics. The issue right now is that blade used to decrease Mordo's ability accuracy when paired with GR and could stop his power gain and astral evade but since the recent update he no longer does. But apparently still can when paired with dorm/mephisto. Miike has said in another thread about it that he closed that blade's ability to ignore immunities of dimensional beings with danger sense isn't actually part of danger sense and therefore isn't carried over with synergies.
I think mike explained it kinda badly and caused more confusion. Everything from danger sense is applied when it is extended using a synergy. The attack bonus and the ability accuracy reduction (AAR). However, the way Mike explained it implied there was a third part, the ability to ignore immunities to AAR.
there’s actually only two parts, the attack bonus and AAR. It just so happens that this AAR can ignore dimensional beings immunities. So the ability to ignore dimensional beings immunities IS “carried over”, but it’s irrelevant, because blade gets danger sense against dimensional beings anyway. Since Mordo is not a dimensional being, it does not ignore his immunity.
Imagine if Blade’s danger sense was triggered by mutant class. Let’s say, in this hypothetical situation, that there was a synergy that extended his danger sense to the tech class. As part of blade’s abilities, let’s say it stated that Blade’s AAR was able to ignore immunities from the mutant class. It wouldn’t then make sense for blade to ignore tech classes Immunity as well when his synergy was activated.
Because that’s what’s happening here. Dimensional being is a classification in the game, similar to the champions own class. Blade can ignore dimensional being ‘s immunities. And only dimensional beings immunities.
I understand that. This only works if ignoring immunities isn't part of danger sense, which is in fact what Miike was saying is the case. The issue is that he has said nothing changed with blade and how he's working now is how he has always worked, which isn't true at all.
Danger sense as a base ability is only applicable to dimensional beings. The ignore immunity is part of danger sense, that’s why it’s written in the same bullet point. But the ignore immunities is only applicable to dimensional beings. So when danger sense is extended through synergies, this does not change Blade’s ignore dimensional beings immunities ability.
Ignoring immunities of Dimensional beings is part of danger sense. But it still “works” because when danger sense is applied to a villain or mystic champ it functions as
-is opponent immune to AAR?
-is opponent dimensional being?
If the answer is yes to both then blade ignores immunities. If the answer is yes then no, Blade cannot ignore the immunity.
I don’t think mike is aware that Blade uses to bypass Mordo astral evade. He’s misinformed or mistaken.
This vid quite clearly shows him reducing Mordo AA.
Actually there is such a thing as passive debuffs, dorm's degen being one of them. If there are not passive debuffs, how do you explain ragnarok hulk's Face Me ability?
To say that 45% of 40 is 20.25 is definitely a bit off haha
45% of 45 is 20.25 yes, but he originally has a 40% reduction, which is 18% extra
Ummm...you are 100% wrong on limbo. Limbo is not and has never been a debuff.
I’m pretty confident dorm’a degen shortens based on stores power, but not sure.
To answer the topic on this thread, it makes me wonder how many people commenting actually have a blade. I have always had problems taking dorm degen—danger sense never seemed to stop that for me—same with Morningstar bleeds.
The mordo thing is annoying. I have heard elsewhere that kabam “fixed” what they termed a bug using blade against mordo. Similar to drax and AA, if it’s true, it’s complete bs and extremely shady. Had to do with blade stopping mordo’s power gain.
Oh sorry
I thought his danger sense was 45% chance bypass
That's where I'm wrong
Thank you
I think you completely misunderstood what I wrote...or you don’t understand abilities.
When I said dorm’s damage is shortened based on stored power, I meant BLADE’S stored power. Blade reduces length of debuff the higher stored power he has. I assume that dorm’s Degen is a debuff. I just haven’t paid attention.
And I have no idea why you brought up magik sig ability. I would hope at this point everyone knows what you posted. I was just telling the individual posting that limbo was not a debuff bc he seemed confused about that.
Nope it is you that is not understanding abilities NOT _ASDF_.
Limbo and dorm's degen are both PASSIVE, fight them, and take notice to the brighter/sharper colour compared to other debuffs/buffs. Since they are PASSIVE they are NOT affected by blade's debuff shortening based on stored power.
More clearly stated, whether you are at 3 bars of power or 0 bars of power, dorm's degen and limbo will be the exact same length.
Fun facts with danger sense versus limbo:
1. It can stop the limbo trigger completely
2. Limbo might trigger but you might not take limbo damage
3. Limbo will trigger but it might not heal Magik back the hp lost during the limbo
Since there are so many aspects of limbo, each are affected by danger sense.
By the way in regards to the original post, NOTHING has changed with blade other than the interaction with mordo, however use the mephisto/dorm synergy to target all mystics and he works as he did before against mordo. A 40% ability reduction to up to 58% does not mean everytime.
Regarding dorm, I said I thought it was a debuff and would shorten based on power stored, but I didn’t know. Obviously I was wrong there. And yes, I’m well aware of limbo and how it interacts with blade’s danger sense.
Lol, idk why they’re flagging you... you’re completely right. I think everyone is expecting him to have 95% ability reduction when paired with stark. It’s not the case. He has 40% + additional 45% increased. Not just additional. So that’s 40%x45% = 58% not 95%.
So that’s why he will still trigger bleed for Ms, poison from Abom (he also has passive poison from bleed lol instant death)
I’m not gonna be an a**hole but do your homework for sure or guys all troll you. And don’t flag guys like demonzfrye for telling the truth.
Say your piece now!
If you finish the fight quick then doesn't really matter if the ability reduction doesn't always work. At least not to me anyway. As for dealing with debuffs as they arise... if I know I'll have a lot to deal with then I don't use specials and keep blade at max power unless I need to regen.
With mordo, yes it's annoying that astral evade works every time now but if you have a blade with GR and Stark spidey and can't fight him successfully as a stun immune champ... you have bigger issues than blade's abilities.
As a Blade owner, I find most of this to be false. Blade isn't great against Morningstar...but that's not new. She tends to trigger Bleed a lot. Blade is great against Abom if you play like he's stun immune and you don't use specials. To be honest there are many better options for Abom though.
The rest of the list (with the exception of Mordo) isn't accurate in my experience. Are you using Blade with Sparky? I find that a lot of what you are stating could be the case with Blade's default Danger Sense abilities. But, Blades strength and OP'ness was always based in his synergies with GR and Sparky.
The line in Mordo's description specifically says his astral form is immune to ability accuracy reduction...which I assume to mean his astral evade. But shouldn't Blade still be able to potential shut off his power gain some of the time?