Why hp are not % based?

MninobodyMninobody Member Posts: 199 ★★
In many forums kabam talks about the meta of the game and how they are growing the game and when many arguments are brought to them about why they are doing something. Sometimes their answer is the meta and the growth and future of the game. I am all for that. However, has that meta/growth been one sided the last 6 months or more? Many things have been benificial and with AW seasons and Dungeons I am all for it. However with those come the responsibility to allow the player base to grow and have their own meta evolution. One Issue among many issues is health potions. My two 6* champs have 22-24k health. So because I have 6* champs I have to pay more for full health? I would not believe that is what Kabam wants to portray. A 6k pot to me is 1/4 of my health, were most 5/50 and rank 3 it is almost half. So why are health potions not % based? I tried to think of that would give an advantage to higher hp players but I couldn’t think of one. So is it something that should be and maybe in the workings with you kabam? I don’t want to feel like I am punished currency wise (cash or units or glory) for having certain level of characters.
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  • Thecrusher_9756Thecrusher_9756 Member Posts: 772 ★★★
    100% agree. I always have potions expiring now because I don’t bother using them on my 5* champs since they’re so worthless
  • SuperFarzSuperFarz Member Posts: 166
    Crine60 wrote: »
    Revives are % based healing, health potions should be the same.
    Half correct. Alliance war / AQ revives are not % based. You get 350 hp for LvL 1 like come on?
  • JaffacakedJaffacaked Member Posts: 1,415 ★★★★
    There isn't a "should be" here. This simply is how they were designed to be.

    Yes there were like almost 4 years ago. They should scale or be buffed to be more in line with the much bigger health pools.

    Come on extripa why you like always this
  • The_BurnoutThe_Burnout Member Posts: 2
    Be careful what you wish for, Kabam and percentage based numbers aren’t working well on the bane node in the current uncollected event quest. Supposed to be 2.5% whoever gets the bane, I did the math through screen shots and currently the node defender gets .3% health loss per tick and the attacker is recieving a health loss of 4.25% per tick. With the exception of collecting peoples money, Kabam and numbers don’t mix well, especially when they make the rules.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 13,956 ★★★★★
    Besides being something that would benefit the players, there really isn't any reason for this to happen.
    Not that I wouldn't want it to be changed or anything, it simply isn't a case of "it should changed".
    Be careful what you wish for, Kabam and percentage based numbers aren’t working well on the bane node in the current uncollected event quest. Supposed to be 2.5% whoever gets the bane, I did the math through screen shots and currently the node defender gets .3% health loss per tick and the attacker is recieving a health loss of 4.25% per tick. With the exception of collecting peoples money, Kabam and numbers don’t mix well, especially when they make the rules.

    That node is based on the opponent's base HP. That's why they seem to take less damage, but they are actually taking the correct damage of their base HP
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Member Posts: 2,779 ★★★★★
    Common sense idea.
    Sadly kabams excuse is that “newer players wouldn’t get the same value as an older player if it was % based”
  • Julius_SeizureJulius_Seizure Member Posts: 99
    Common sense idea.
    Sadly kabams excuse is that “newer players wouldn’t get the same value as an older player if it was % based”

    By that logic, newer players are getting more value than me as an older player, since they spend 200 units to fully heal their champ while I spend 500 units to do the same.

    Kabam at it’s finest.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 13,956 ★★★★★
    Common sense idea.
    Sadly kabams excuse is that “newer players wouldn’t get the same value as an older player if it was % based”

    By that logic, newer players are getting more value than me as an older player, since they spend 200 units to fully heal their champ while I spend 500 units to do the same.

    Kabam at it’s finest.

    If you have potions that give you 1k HP, it doesn't matter in what champion you use it on, it will give you the same amount of HP.
    It'syour decision only whether you want to fully heal your champions or not
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Member Posts: 1,897 ★★★★
    But if you’re doing the same content, you won’t even need to heal all the way up because your attack is that much higher than the newer players
  • helloguyshelloguys Member Posts: 90
    Common sense idea.
    Sadly kabams excuse is that “newer players wouldn’t get the same value as an older player if it was % based”

    By that logic, newer players are getting more value than me as an older player, since they spend 200 units to fully heal their champ while I spend 500 units to do the same.

    Kabam at it’s finest.

    If you have potions that give you 1k HP, it doesn't matter in what champion you use it on, it will give you the same amount of HP.
    It'syour decision only whether you want to fully heal your champions or not

    Are you 24/7 on the forums?
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 13,956 ★★★★★
    It doesn't matter if a 1-star champ heals 50% HP while your 6-star heals 2% only.
    They both heal the same HP. That is what is intended, and that's how it should be.
    Revives are a different story. They work differently and have another use.

    "Posts like these" are posts with minor or normal questions about the game, or even suggestions like this thread is. If it isn't something important about the game that someone needs obligatory to know, then there is no need to call out a mod to a thread.
  • ShadPrinceShadPrince Member Posts: 842 ★★★
    Maybe it's done so that the game does get harder, and you will have to work harder as you move forward. I personally wouldn't mind percentage pots, but if this element of the game doesn't change then you'll have endgame players who don't necessarily need to work harder than beginners to be able to sustain their champs while questing.
    Also, if you make these resources accessible to everyone, either its a rip-off or it's free resources.
    A level 2 pot is worth 7 units, right? If you converted that to a 15% health boost, I could spend 42 units to give my champ 90% health. And then maybe I wouldn't worry so much about losing health, because I play a few rounds of arena and bam there's 15% health. If you up the price for endgame players to spend a bit more, then beginners are stranded. If you understand what I mean, the logistics kinda start getting more and more complicated.
  • ShadPrinceShadPrince Member Posts: 842 ★★★
    Also, yeah so more basic potions become useless and they don't do anything basically. So you want potions to do the same thing universally for all champs right?
    Thats a bit like saying you want sig stones to be universal across all tiers (not exactly the same but pretty similar). Why is it that 2* and 3* generic sig stones usually come rolling out of the game, but there's barely any 5* sig stones? Sig stones should apply to all level champs, right?
    It's about advancing through the game, even maybe through life. How come a child can buy a meal for $6 or smth, but I need to spend $30 to be full? As you go on, you change but the world remains constant, and you need to learn to adapt to moving on from older, slightly more obsolete items as you keep getting better and better.
  • Colonaut123Colonaut123 Member Posts: 3,091 ★★★★★
    I think both should exist: flat health potions for "regular" champions while maybe "refreshment" potion which does it % based for the top tier champions.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 13,956 ★★★★★
    Sorry if my comments sound like kabam statements. That wasn't my intention. English isn't my nature language so I try to write short things.
    However the majority of what I say isn't just my personal opinion. It is true that this suggestion is not totally a bad thing, but it also has his flaws. And the excuses given aren't very justificative at all.
    The current system makes sense the way it is. It "doesn't need" to be changed.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 13,956 ★★★★★
    You are paying for equal in the current system. You give X units, you get a potion that gives you Y HP. Newer and veteran players pay the same for the same.
  • ShadPrinceShadPrince Member Posts: 842 ★★★
    As I said before, I think there's a bit of an expectation that higher difficulties in the game are going to be more difficult and more punishing, but I do see the point with resource limits.
    I know this probably isn't the answer you want to hear, but a higher level pot that heals 12.5k health might help because of the reasons I mentioned earlier.
  • ShadPrinceShadPrince Member Posts: 842 ★★★
    As we know, this game is quite outdated and I will definitely agree with you that the current resources available to us aren't quite that good (especially the resource limit), so if they add in some new items it would probably be a bit better for everyone.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Member Posts: 2,384 ★★★★
    I dont necessarily agree they should be percent based....
    6k health on a 6* champ is already more valuble then 6k health on a 4* as they are a 6* they are just better.
    However lvl 1 and lvl 2 pots are useless.
    I propose this.
    Up the haealing factor on existing potions by 20%
    Reduce the cost also by 20% and add in a lvl 6 and maybe even lvl 7 potion.
    Right now i know i only use potions i pick up for free. I find they are too expensive for wat they are worth.
    If i die i just revive 40% for 40units and hey my courage mastery is active so i am more powerful in attack also. Why spend another 30 units and push my health higher and lose benifit of my courage mastery???
    If potions were better value they would be more enticing.
    But RN i see only value in the 40% revive.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 3,993 ★★★★★
    The problem with a percentage based pot is that we are paying the same amount for vastly different staying power in fights.

    Nothing wrong with healing more, costing more.
  • DL864DL864 Member Posts: 1,089 ★★★
    With the changes up coming in the new season they should definitely consider % based pots for aw. Just as they said about diversity the meta of the game has changed. We are now useing 5* r4&5 also 6* stars on attack which they have a much larger health pool we are also facing 5* and 6* defenders who’s health pool is much larger. So if you are going to make war harder kabam throw us a bone and aleast make pots % based I mean come on a lvl1 revie is just ridiculously.
  • Epsilon3Epsilon3 Member Posts: 1,138 ★★★
    They already do this for 30 unit energy refills and revives in solo…

    Plus it’s not like end game doesn’t require skill of items are more or effective. You’re still going to get bodied if you take a single special or combo where in early play… well even a bad 3* can beat Thanos without any problem… it’s obly past the halfway in act 4 that things start to ramp up at incredulous speed
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 13,956 ★★★★★
    Duke wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if a 1-star champ heals 50% HP while your 6-star heals 2% only.
    They both heal the same HP. That is what is intended, and that's how it should be.
    Revives are a different story. They work differently and have another use.

    "Posts like these" are posts with minor or normal questions about the game, or even suggestions like this thread is. If it isn't something important about the game that someone needs obligatory to know, then there is no need to call out a mod to a thread.

    The issue is guys using 1* are fighting in quests against equal or slightly stronger defenders. They can get hit 10 times and fully heal with a couple l2 potions. People in end game are fighting champs with 20k+ ratings and that have buffs. You get hit 5 times and your down 20k health. A l2 potion won’t even recover block damage taken. Potions definitely need to b revised. It takes my whole 25 potion stash limit to heal my top champs. Comparing the two is ignorant.

    That's right. But you also need to consider that an end game player will have better skills and knowledge , alongside a better roster than a beginner player.
  • Epsilon3Epsilon3 Member Posts: 1,138 ★★★
    Duke wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if a 1-star champ heals 50% HP while your 6-star heals 2% only.
    They both heal the same HP. That is what is intended, and that's how it should be.
    Revives are a different story. They work differently and have another use.

    "Posts like these" are posts with minor or normal questions about the game, or even suggestions like this thread is. If it isn't something important about the game that someone needs obligatory to know, then there is no need to call out a mod to a thread.

    The issue is guys using 1* are fighting in quests against equal or slightly stronger defenders. They can get hit 10 times and fully heal with a couple l2 potions. People in end game are fighting champs with 20k+ ratings and that have buffs. You get hit 5 times and your down 20k health. A l2 potion won’t even recover block damage taken. Potions definitely need to b revised. It takes my whole 25 potion stash limit to heal my top champs. Comparing the two is ignorant.

    That's right. But you also need to consider that an end game player will have better skills and knowledge , alongside a better roster than a beginner player.

    Skill past 5.3. You either need a lucky 5 godly role in each class or all your skill just means you die a little slower.

    That or we seriously need a spawn rate adjustment for those of higher level cause believe me finding revives in solo is a nightmare
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