LAUNCHING JULY 15: Peak Milestones and Alliance Quests Update Discussion Thread

Summoners!

We've got an update coming to Alliance Quests that we think you'll want to know about! Check out our post on it here!

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PureRage13

Ascoop24 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

DroidDoes wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

We've just posted an Announcement on an exciting new feature coming to The Contest next week! Find out what you need to know about Peak Milestones in our post here, and then ask your questions!

So to confirm, we won’t get any rewards until the event ends? So for AQ for example, we’re not getting any glory or map crystals day by day anymore?

Also can you show some examples of non-AQ related events with peak milestones?

This is correct. While you won't be collecting small rewards along the way anymore, you will get a much bigger payout at the end of the event.

I will talk to the team about getting some Non-Alliance Quest examples, because we do have some of those coming too.

I guess I'm a little confused as why you would take this away. By taking milestones away(in regards to alliance quest) you take away glory you get throughout the week. I'm curious as to why and how you thought this would benefit players?

It appears this will mostly benefit the whales at the top.

mostlyharmlessn

I just want to know if we are still stuck with the tedious sentinel after sentinel fights

Kabam Miike

GAM3RGUY wrote: »

So I have a question if we want T1A we can't get it anymore through map3 because even with a full map3 week we make 10mil it means map4 and map5 crystal. IS THAT RIGHT?

Partially correct. You'll still be earning Map 3 Crystals from 100% Exploring the Map, so with an Alliance that completes 3 BGs every day, you'll still get 15 Map 3 Crystals per week. Now, with the new Peak Milestones, at 10 million points, you won't be getting any Map 3 Crystals with a chance at Tier 1 Alphas, but you will be getting more Glory so you can choose to purchase them if you wish. We've also increased the amount you can buy per Glory store Refresh.

PureRage13

RehctansBew wrote: »

Wow underwhelming. But good to see you are making sure the whales get at least 2 t2a a month while the middle class will only take 9 months to get 1. Solid thinking. How about you scrap AQ give the 1-30 a bunch a t2a and we move on. Or you could do some new content like 5v5 AQ like dungeons. Fresh thinking would be cool.

This comment is spot on. Not sure how people are failing to see this.

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Gwm83

At first glance it looks good....then it start to not. I'm not sold on these changes. The map Crystals were a set thing....glory items scale up on price. Yea I'm not digging it

Kabam DK

Infantry wrote: »

Our alliance walks away with 24 map 5 crystals at the end of aq and if I'm reading this right we will only get 9 now which gives t4b and t4cc I don't see how this is a better rewards system

You get 15 of those Crystals from doing the Map itself, which you'll still get.

Currently if you score 130,000,000 Points in the Expert Bracket during an AQ cycle, you get 9 Map 5 Crystals from Milestones 1-9, and 4 Map 6 Crystals from Milestones 10-13, alongside 2,030 Glory from Milestones 1-13.

If you ran the exact same thing in the upcoming Alliance Quest, you'll recieve the same amount fo Map 5 Crystals, 2 additional Map 6 Crystals, and an additional 570 Glory.

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Gamer

Kabam DK wrote: »

Infantry wrote: »

Our alliance walks away with 24 map 5 crystals at the end of aq and if I'm reading this right we will only get 9 now which gives t4b and t4cc I don't see how this is a better rewards system

You get 15 of those Crystals from doing the Map itself, which you'll still get.

Currently if you score 130,000,000 Points in the Expert Bracket during an AQ cycle, you get 9 Map 5 Crystals from Milestones 1-9, and 4 Map 6 Crystals from Milestones 10-13, alongside 2,030 Glory from Milestones 1-13.

If you ran the exact same thing in the upcoming Alliance Quest, you'll recieve the same amount fo Map 5 Crystals, 2 additional Map 6 Crystals, and an additional 570 Glory.

Only better is glory.

Ronildas

I didn't like it.

The difference in rewards is almost none. I'm talking about interesting game resources to upgrade.

We have a system that only a few alliances have access to some resources. I'm talking anout T5b and T2a. This new system doesn't change this reality.

Both in AW seasons and AQ, it's not viable for a lower player to grow strong. If someone starts to play now, they won't ever be able to join a top positioned alliance.

So, the only real options are:

- "off" market of account sales get boosted.
- 2 years buying all the offers available.

I'm sorry, but this is my feedback.

VanillaCoke

Will Peak Milestones enter Arena? I think it would be interesting like this.

DNA3000

Ronildas wrote: »

Both in AW seasons and AQ, it's not viable for a lower player to grow strong. If someone starts to play now, they won't ever be able to join a top positioned alliance.

I've been playing the game for over three years, and I'm not in a "top positioned alliance." However, newer players progress far faster than we did back then. If someone started now and wanted to join a top alliance eventually, if they put in the same amount of effort as the people that are in those alliances they would eventually get within range of that level of performance.

Threedeadkings

Kabam Miike wrote: »

botonox03 wrote: »

Will there be any changes to map 6 in terms of rewards for completion (will there be return of battle chips and gold as in quests such as map 5)?

Also, will there be a cap on the amount of glory one can accrue over a number of alliance quests? If so, what will that be?

We don't have any plans to adjust the rewards for completion of Map 6 right now, but this is something that I will talk to the team about for our next season, as we are working on that right now.

There is a cap for Glory that has not changed since it was introduced, which is 15,000

@Kabam Miike
Are you sure that the current glory cap is at 15k? I have in numerous occasions received notification that my glory cap is breached at 10k and therefore my new glory is forfeited.

By the way, there isn’t a mechanism for summoners to back track and clear excess glory before claiming the new when the in game message pings you that you have exceeded the cap. Any chance of rectifying that? Thanks

Infantry

Thanks for the clarification if that's the case then this system will be better

DNA3000

Kabam Miike wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

Ascoop24 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

DroidDoes wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

We've just posted an Announcement on an exciting new feature coming to The Contest next week! Find out what you need to know about Peak Milestones in our post here, and then ask your questions!

So to confirm, we won’t get any rewards until the event ends? So for AQ for example, we’re not getting any glory or map crystals day by day anymore?

Also can you show some examples of non-AQ related events with peak milestones?

This is correct. While you won't be collecting small rewards along the way anymore, you will get a much bigger payout at the end of the event.

I will talk to the team about getting some Non-Alliance Quest examples, because we do have some of those coming too.

I guess I'm a little confused as why you would take this away. By taking milestones away(in regards to alliance quest) you take away glory you get throughout the week. I'm curious as to why and how you thought this would benefit players?

The primary benefit in the context of AQ is reward appropriateness. In the old system when the game gave out rewards like crystals, it had to decide what to give you at milestone one before knowing how many milestones your alliance would actually reach. But the appropriate reward to give an alliance that reaches 30 million isn't the same as the appropriate reward to give to an alliance that ultimately reaches 120 million. In the past, the game had to give everyone the same reward at 30 million due to the way milestones work. Now, the game can decide what to give a 120 million alliance completely independently from what it decides to give a 30 million alliance.

@Kabam Miike this advantage seems to mostly make sense with non-currency rewards. Would it not be better if Kabam continues to offer glory as normal milestones, and only shift the non-fungible rewards (i.e. crystals) into the peak milestone system? This is always possible, because the glory rewards can always be broken down by individual milestone to add up to the correct vallue: the amount of rewards the game hands out would be exactly identical either way.

Unfortunately, this just isn't possible in game at this time. We can't have both Peak Milestones and Regular Milestones in one event simultaneously, but I will pass this on to the team as well.

You know, even if my production manager ordered me to implement the tech that way, I would have implemented the tech to run parallel and then claimed later I misunderstood the instruction.

Infantry

I say it's better because you have the incorporated peak milestones reward which is what makes it better...yes it's catered to the whales but it's still better for peeons like me...lets get real here it's always gonna benefit the top alliances more than the peeons but I'm happy with it

mostlyharmlessn

So there's still back to back Sentinel fights I take it?

Deadly2016

i feel the adjustment is good, most middle/upper class allys will get allot more, the reduction of t1a and t2a prices helps too. yes the weekly payout will mess up some planing for one week, but you can budget this weeks aq rewards to lessen the hit and after that you get more glory to spend on rankup mats or potions.
you need to budget them over the whole week but with about 20% more glory to spend (lets say a 100mio/rank1300 is ally you got 2760 glory, now its 3550, thats a net of +29% even) and while prices of potions didnt drop, alphas did so you get more for the glory you dont spend on pots.
also theres an increase in classcats (sure allot of us cant use those due to lack of t1/2a cats but still), while the old rank 1101-1400 got 2 greater glory (40% of a t4cc) now its 35 t4shard crystals (thats 70% of a t4cc).
id love to see t5b and t1a in the rewards too, for the sake of aq staying the place where you get rankup materials but at least we get more now then before.

Ankalagonn

zeezee57 wrote: »

I'm seeing a number of negative responses but this is a good change and definitely a step in the right direction. Those who want daily glory will still have this week before the changes take effect to earn it that way and will have to budget a little before the new systems first payout. More glory and lower cost on rankup materials will be beneficial for everyone. Even endgame players who use glory for potions and revives benefit from the increased glory payout. I just don't see how anyone can consider this a bad thing. Does it fix everything, of course not, but it's a solid start.

Since Im a intermediate/beginner level gamer I found the change useful.

Sn1pes130

It seems that this change is only a meaningful increase of rewards if you’re in a top 90 alliance. Outside that the rewards are hardly changed, for instance my alliance usually places around 350. We can look forward to 800extra prestige, 500 t2a (so in 4 years we can get one more r4 champ), and 1 extra map 6 crystal.

Strategic

So why isn't the cap for T4CC 1800 shards purchase also increased. Some of us can't get T4CC that easily.
I've been waiting for around 3 months to get 2 more mutant cats and even with buying the shards every week I only got 1 cat in 3 months so far!

Vivek_786

What if some officer of allaince kick summoner in middle of aq? Does he unable to have peak milestone rewards?

Brainimpacter

RehctansBew wrote: »

Wow underwhelming. But good to see you are making sure the whales get at least 2 t2a a month while the middle class will only take 9 months to get 1. Solid thinking. How about you scrap AQ give the 1-30 a bunch a t2a and we move on. Or you could do some new content like 5v5 AQ like dungeons. Fresh thinking would be cool.

Exactly the first thing i noticed, its going to put the whales even further in front and any alliance that aspires to mingle with the top guys will no longer achieve it, they just hit a wall once getting so high, because of how much more rank up material the top alliances get from new AQ and AW every month

Fallencircus

The rewards look great...for 2017. Could you please have the team relook at what veteran players really need? This is utterly underwhelming and disheartening.

Rixob

Booooooo so great no glory throughout the week and no changes for us map 5 and 6 players. This does not benefit end game players in any way shape or form. This is just a shady way to increase alliance potion spending because we cant get glory throughout the week. Very slick Kabam. No coincidence you implement this right when new AW comes. You guys are so shady

Brainimpacter

Will we still get the same completion, conquer and exploration rewards from each day?

VanillaCoke

@Kabam Miike Has the game team considered having AQ fixed on certain days, for example AQ every Monday - Friday?

Brainimpacter

looking through the rewards we currently get and comparing them to the new format there is very little difference at our level, 500 T2A frags are not going to make any difference to alliances, The only alliances that benefit greatly are the whales at the top again

Mr_Platypus

Kabam Miike wrote: »

DroidDoes wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey Summoners,

We've just posted an Announcement on an exciting new feature coming to The Contest next week! Find out what you need to know about Peak Milestones in our post here, and then ask your questions!

So to confirm, we won’t get any rewards until the event ends? So for AQ for example, we’re not getting any glory or map crystals day by day anymore?

Also can you show some examples of non-AQ related events with peak milestones?

This is correct. While you won't be collecting small rewards along the way anymore, you will get a much bigger payout at the end of the event.

I will talk to the team about getting some Non-Alliance Quest examples, because we do have some of those coming too.

1 big concern with this.
Under current AQ, if I had an item (let’s say a T2a) expiring and I had 4 days to use it but needed 1 more T1a, I could buy that T1a after just the first milestone.
With the new changes I would end up having the T2a expire.

superunknown012

Siliyo wrote: »

@Kabam Miike Has the game team considered having AQ fixed on certain days, for example AQ every Monday - Friday?

All for this.