Regarding the recent champion additions.

IDogeIDoge Posts: 409 ★★
edited June 2019 in General Discussion
Okay so I know Kabam puts some hard effort and creativity into champ abilities, but some these 2019 champions are a joke. Human Torch, Annihilus, and Invisible Woman are difficult to maintain their damage output. Diablo and Ebony Maw's abilities are clearly rushed. On top of all this, they close our threads to silence the community's feedback. Kabam should just go ahead and fix these champs without needing a rework.

P.S. Kabam please don't close this thread or you prove my point

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  • *sigh*

    If all the new champs are awesome, the balance just gets worse. They’re trying to buff old champs as fast as they can, but complaining whenever a new champ isn’t insane god tier just reinforces the existing power creep.

    Maw counters the current best champs, bringing them back down to earth a little, but he’s not insane himself. (They made this mistake with domino when trying to get blade out of the spot of “undisputed best”)

    Namor, on the other hand, has NO defensive abilities to speak of. He looks awesome, no doubt, but he’ll have drawbacks, and will no doubt be easy to counter in the future.
  • DankPlutoDankPluto Posts: 137
    I got iron man as my first five star which is pretty much unusable
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,415 ★★★★★
    Human Torch is usable and actually really fun to use so...
  • Adman0726Adman0726 Posts: 44
    Kabam has to put out new champs each month - and some champs are better than others. When the champs are strong they make more money because people want them more... What's the problem with that? Also the balance side of this is so irrelevant - the only head to head comparisons you could argue balance against is War but war has 30 champs
  • Guys, you can’t have a double standard here. You were just telling me how Korg, taskmaster, and sentry are usable. Show me some gameplay of those in act 6. (Ha, idelest quit before act 6 came out) A champ doesn’t need to breeze through act 6 and tier 1 aw to be “usable”

    That should address these comments:
    _ASDF_ said:

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    Sure. You R3 that 6* Diablo, he’ll make Act 4 a breeze. 🙄
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    Human Torch is usable and actually really fun to use so...

    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    So is Colossus and Iron Patriot ;)
    Old champs like iron patriot aren’t usable, that’s why they’re in line to be buffed. Maw was created with the current meta in mind. Rock beats paper, so to speak. Maw beats Corvus, namor beats maw, Corvus beats namor.

    Maw has uses. He doesn’t need a buff. Colossus is terrible. He’s getting a buff.

    The argument that balance is off because of meme champs, many of whom were original characters, is different. The issue is being addressed with betas etc.

    Just because a champ isn’t a mainstream offensive champion, that doesn’t mean that the game is imbalanced

  • Ghosty64Ghosty64 Posts: 171
    IDoge said:

    Okay so I know Kabam puts some hard effort and creativity into champ abilities, but some these 2019 champions are a joke. Human Torch, Annihilus, and Invisible Woman are difficult to maintain their damage output. Diablo and Ebony Maw's abilities are clearly rushed. On top of all this, they close our threads to silence the community's feedback. Kabam should just go ahead and fix these champs without needing a rework.

    P.S. Kabam please don't close this thread or you prove my point

    Your point kind of sucks
    Their needs to be balance
    Maybe change your point to seatins(even though he did a poor job at showing it)
    Maw needs an adjustment( maybe let his deterioration be consumed without having to be awakened. Only that part)
    His point was what’s the point in going for a 6 star maw when you can go for a 4 star Namor
    Maybe more people would then agree with you
  • CharlieMurphyKCCharlieMurphyKC Posts: 90
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
  • IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
    Lol you're not on 5.3 or higher? If you aren't you don't really have a say in this
    IDoge said:

    Guys, you can’t have a double standard here. You were just telling me how Korg, taskmaster, and sentry are usable. Show me some gameplay of those in act 6. (Ha, idelest quit before act 6 came out) A champ doesn’t need to breeze through act 6 and tier 1 aw to be “usable”

    That should address these comments:

    _ASDF_ said:

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    Sure. You R3 that 6* Diablo, he’ll make Act 4 a breeze. 🙄
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    Human Torch is usable and actually really fun to use so...

    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    So is Colossus and Iron Patriot ;)
    Old champs like iron patriot aren’t usable, that’s why they’re in line to be buffed. Maw was created with the current meta in mind. Rock beats paper, so to speak. Maw beats Corvus, namor beats maw, Corvus beats namor.

    Maw has uses. He doesn’t need a buff. Colossus is terrible. He’s getting a buff.

    The argument that balance is off because of meme champs, many of whom were original characters, is different. The issue is being addressed with betas etc.

    Just because a champ isn’t a mainstream offensive champion, that doesn’t mean that the game is imbalanced

    If you think Maw has his uses you dont know much about the game.
    Pretty un-constructive, dontcha think?
  • IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
    Lol you're not on 5.3 or higher? If you aren't you don't really have a say in this
    IDoge said:

    Guys, you can’t have a double standard here. You were just telling me how Korg, taskmaster, and sentry are usable. Show me some gameplay of those in act 6. (Ha, idelest quit before act 6 came out) A champ doesn’t need to breeze through act 6 and tier 1 aw to be “usable”

    That should address these comments:

    _ASDF_ said:

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    Sure. You R3 that 6* Diablo, he’ll make Act 4 a breeze. 🙄
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    Human Torch is usable and actually really fun to use so...

    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    So is Colossus and Iron Patriot ;)
    Old champs like iron patriot aren’t usable, that’s why they’re in line to be buffed. Maw was created with the current meta in mind. Rock beats paper, so to speak. Maw beats Corvus, namor beats maw, Corvus beats namor.

    Maw has uses. He doesn’t need a buff. Colossus is terrible. He’s getting a buff.

    The argument that balance is off because of meme champs, many of whom were original characters, is different. The issue is being addressed with betas etc.

    Just because a champ isn’t a mainstream offensive champion, that doesn’t mean that the game is imbalanced

    If you think Maw has his uses you dont know much about the game.
    Pretty un-constructive, dontcha think?
    I never shamed him for being new if he even is so don't try derailing the post
    And because my view is contradictory to yours, I “don’t know much about the game”?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 13,943 ★★★★★
    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
    Lol you're not on 5.3 or higher? If you aren't you don't really have a say in this
    Why would 5.3 be the measuring stick? Is that where you are others that aren't there are inferior?
  • IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    IDoge said:



    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    So your idea of a useable champ is endgame content and Tier 1-3 AW only?

    Says more about your unreasonable expectations of what every champ should be than anything else.
    A majority of summoners are at that level in the game. Of course it will apply to those areas of the game. Even if people are not at that level yet they will need to use certain champs in order for them progress
    Just curious how many summoners are in Tier 1-3? I'd also be interested to know if that number constitutes 51%+ of the player base.

    As to Seatin's point about how Ebony Maw is so far behind, I have the opposite opinion. Namor seems incredibly OP. They should've nerfed him, instead of buffed the Maw. There are many things Kabam could do - Say 1 of each "new" champ for the month will be one of the 100+ existing champs that are in dire need of buffs. They could take a deep look at the already insane power creep and tone things back a bit. I do like what they are doing with synergies and encouraging players to have older champs on the roster in some cases. The way that CapIW, Nick Fury and Heimdall help out the team is pretty cool, also. Of course, the goal of any business is to make $$$ and Kabam REAAAAAAALLLLLY wants you to feed the casino-style addiction and spend as much of that money as you can each month so I doubt my points would be considered.
    Lol you're not on 5.3 or higher? If you aren't you don't really have a say in this
    IDoge said:

    Guys, you can’t have a double standard here. You were just telling me how Korg, taskmaster, and sentry are usable. Show me some gameplay of those in act 6. (Ha, idelest quit before act 6 came out) A champ doesn’t need to breeze through act 6 and tier 1 aw to be “usable”

    That should address these comments:

    _ASDF_ said:

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    Sure. You R3 that 6* Diablo, he’ll make Act 4 a breeze. 🙄
    IDoge said:

    DalBot said:

    Human Torch is usable and actually really fun to use so...

    Show Act 6 and 5.3 gameplay of HT please. While you are at it, show him in high tier AW and Variant

    Maw is useable. So are diablo, invisible woman, human torch, and annihilus, other ones you have mentioned.

    So is Colossus and Iron Patriot ;)
    Old champs like iron patriot aren’t usable, that’s why they’re in line to be buffed. Maw was created with the current meta in mind. Rock beats paper, so to speak. Maw beats Corvus, namor beats maw, Corvus beats namor.

    Maw has uses. He doesn’t need a buff. Colossus is terrible. He’s getting a buff.

    The argument that balance is off because of meme champs, many of whom were original characters, is different. The issue is being addressed with betas etc.

    Just because a champ isn’t a mainstream offensive champion, that doesn’t mean that the game is imbalanced

    If you think Maw has his uses you dont know much about the game.
    Pretty un-constructive, dontcha think?
    I never shamed him for being new if he even is so don't try derailing the post
    And because my view is contradictory to yours, I “don’t know much about the game”?
    I wasn't implying directly about you I meant in general. If you took it personal it's not our problem.
    Ummm what? You’re discounting someone’s opinion because they think differently than you. I’m pointing that out. I guess that’s not your problem either?
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