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So Iceman isn't immune to cold snap?🤣

MattwodMattwod Posts: 4 ★
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I think some of the immunities need to be ironed out more logically, Colossus shouldn't bleed and Iceman shouldn't be susceptible to cold snap. Also invisible woman's invisibility is so much more effective than the hood's... doesn't make sense.
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    Jawarrior2001Jawarrior2001 Posts: 303 ★
    Woogieboogie said:

    Ever had something in the freezer that’s already frozen? It’s called frost bite even though it’s frozen it still turns to ****. Probably their logic

    True, but by that token, because Iceman reaches Absolute Zero, he can't get any colder, thus should be immune to cold snap, or maybe change his ability description to avoid the issue :disappointed:
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    FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
    The characters are what the developers want them to be. If you stop to look at the logic, the whole game will fall apart, so don't.
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    WoogieboogieWoogieboogie Posts: 340 ★★
    edited June 2019
    Raganator said:

    Oh good. Another X isn't immune to Y thread.

    Pete and repeat were in a boat. Pete fell out of the boat.....

    Who’s left? Repeat Please so I can understand.
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    Manup456Manup456 Posts: 887 ★★★★
    If he can dish out snaps he should be immune to them, but they won’t change this. How is Sabertooth immune to cold snap then and Iceman not 🤷🏻‍♂️
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    LormifLormif Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Jawarrior2001 said:

    Woogieboogie said:

    Ever had something in the freezer that’s already frozen? It’s called frost bite even though it’s frozen it still turns to ****. Probably their logic

    True, but by that token, because Iceman reaches Absolute Zero, he can't get any colder, thus should be immune to cold snap, or maybe change his ability description to avoid the issue :disappointed:
    that is the name of his ability, he does not actually get that cold, because if he did he could not move.
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    WardenZeroWardenZero Posts: 722 ★★★
    Lormif said:

    Jawarrior2001 said:

    Woogieboogie said:

    Ever had something in the freezer that’s already frozen? It’s called frost bite even though it’s frozen it still turns to ****. Probably their logic

    True, but by that token, because Iceman reaches Absolute Zero, he can't get any colder, thus should be immune to cold snap, or maybe change his ability description to avoid the issue :disappointed:
    that is the name of his ability, he does not actually get that cold, because if he did he could not move.
    If Iceman hit Absolute Zero, that would be the least of his problems because his atoms would stop moving and fall apart.

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    EtjamaEtjama Posts: 7,981 ★★★★★
    UmbertoDelRio said:

    Lormif said:

    Jawarrior2001 said:

    Woogieboogie said:

    Ever had something in the freezer that’s already frozen? It’s called frost bite even though it’s frozen it still turns to ****. Probably their logic

    True, but by that token, because Iceman reaches Absolute Zero, he can't get any colder, thus should be immune to cold snap, or maybe change his ability description to avoid the issue :disappointed:
    that is the name of his ability, he does not actually get that cold, because if he did he could not move.
    If we really want to debate this somewhat seriously, then that's the best point right here.

    If we assume iceman can cool something down to absolute zero, a state he himself definitely wouldn't want to be in, since the molecules he is made of would literally be unable to move, then, if he ever was to fight an exact copy of himself, cooling his opponent down as much as possible would be his best strategy.

    There really isn't any reason why iceman wouldn't be affected by another iceman forcing his molecules into place by cooling him down further against his will.

    When water turns into ice, it's not like that's it, mate. When it comes to the molecular structure there's a massive difference between 0 degrees and absolute zero.
    I'm not complaining about Iceman not being coldsnap immune cause

    1. I don't care, and

    2. He shouldn't be coldsnap immune (for the exact reasons that you've just said.

    My only problem is that Sabretooth is coldsnap immune. Cause he has fur... or something... Iceman shouldn't be coldsnap immune, but Sabretooth definitely shouldn't either.
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    EarthEliteEarthElite Posts: 879 ★★★
    edited June 2019
    *sigh* another one
    Look listen, MCOC is inside one of many multiverses in marvel, and nothing makes sense there. This enables humans to fight with literal gods. If everything made sense there, it would severely impact the game and make it unfair.
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    EarthEliteEarthElite Posts: 879 ★★★
    May_The_Way said:

    Etjama said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    Lormif said:

    Jawarrior2001 said:

    Woogieboogie said:

    Ever had something in the freezer that’s already frozen? It’s called frost bite even though it’s frozen it still turns to ****. Probably their logic

    True, but by that token, because Iceman reaches Absolute Zero, he can't get any colder, thus should be immune to cold snap, or maybe change his ability description to avoid the issue :disappointed:
    that is the name of his ability, he does not actually get that cold, because if he did he could not move.
    If we really want to debate this somewhat seriously, then that's the best point right here.

    If we assume iceman can cool something down to absolute zero, a state he himself definitely wouldn't want to be in, since the molecules he is made of would literally be unable to move, then, if he ever was to fight an exact copy of himself, cooling his opponent down as much as possible would be his best strategy.

    There really isn't any reason why iceman wouldn't be affected by another iceman forcing his molecules into place by cooling him down further against his will.

    When water turns into ice, it's not like that's it, mate. When it comes to the molecular structure there's a massive difference between 0 degrees and absolute zero.
    I'm not complaining about Iceman not being coldsnap immune cause

    1. I don't care, and

    2. He shouldn't be coldsnap immune (for the exact reasons that you've just said.

    My only problem is that Sabretooth is coldsnap immune. Cause he has fur... or something... Iceman shouldn't be coldsnap immune, but Sabretooth definitely shouldn't either.
    And why is Havok incinerate immune, but not Ghost Rider? Didn’t Havok die when his house blew up in the movie?
    Explosions are not just fire...
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    DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,660 Guardian
    Etjama said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    Lormif said:

    Jawarrior2001 said:

    Woogieboogie said:

    Ever had something in the freezer that’s already frozen? It’s called frost bite even though it’s frozen it still turns to ****. Probably their logic

    True, but by that token, because Iceman reaches Absolute Zero, he can't get any colder, thus should be immune to cold snap, or maybe change his ability description to avoid the issue :disappointed:
    that is the name of his ability, he does not actually get that cold, because if he did he could not move.
    If we really want to debate this somewhat seriously, then that's the best point right here.

    If we assume iceman can cool something down to absolute zero, a state he himself definitely wouldn't want to be in, since the molecules he is made of would literally be unable to move, then, if he ever was to fight an exact copy of himself, cooling his opponent down as much as possible would be his best strategy.

    There really isn't any reason why iceman wouldn't be affected by another iceman forcing his molecules into place by cooling him down further against his will.

    When water turns into ice, it's not like that's it, mate. When it comes to the molecular structure there's a massive difference between 0 degrees and absolute zero.
    I'm not complaining about Iceman not being coldsnap immune cause

    1. I don't care, and

    2. He shouldn't be coldsnap immune (for the exact reasons that you've just said.

    My only problem is that Sabretooth is coldsnap immune. Cause he has fur... or something... Iceman shouldn't be coldsnap immune, but Sabretooth definitely shouldn't either.
    Actually, the reason why it is possible for some things to be coldsnap immune but Iceman might not be one of those things is because everyone gets caught up in thinking that coldsnap damages its target by "making it cold." That's not true, because that doesn't make sense physically. Iceman doesn't just make things cold in the normal physics way, he does something extremely special (and in the real world, extremely impossible). You can pump heat into an object to make it hotter. But you cannot pump heat out of an object to make it colder. Objects get colder because they naturally radiate heat through conduction and radiation. The *best* you can do is impede that process as little as possible. If you do, there's a maximum rate at which anything cools.

    Iceman doesn't just allow things to cool. He *actively* cools things much faster than they should, or ever could. And the only way to do that is to somehow remove - I should say rip - energy out of the target at super high speed. Getting cold is actually just a side effect of what Iceman does: what he really is, is a mutant super energy pump (and in fact, the comic books acknowledge this in more recent stories).

    Things that are coldsnap resistant or immune would be things that could somehow counteract that energy loss. Mephisto can probably do that because he is literally immune to that kind of energy loss due to some supernatural property. But Sabretooth is probably immune because his biology both resists that energy reduction *and* heals back any damage caused by whatever residual energy reduction actually happens.

    Iceman might not be one of those things immune to the energy-sapping abilities of Iceman himself. He may be completely immune to "cold" because his body doesn't radiate heat energy, so being next to cold objects or other matter has no effect on him, and voluntarily reducing the heat energy in his body to freeze it also has no detrimental effect on him. But that doesn't automatically mean if another Iceman were to involuntarily rip energy out of his body that he would not feel any detrimental effects from that.
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    DiablosUltimateDiablosUltimate Posts: 1,021 ★★★
    Menkent said:

    It was once explained like this: even though you fart, the smell of other people's farts disgusts you

    Well that would be the most logical explanation I heard about that subject so far
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    klobberintymeklobberintyme Posts: 1,428 ★★★★
    Thing: not rock immune.
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    DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,660 Guardian
    klobberintyme said:

    Thing: not rock immune.

    Thing: not immune to things.
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    shadow_lurker22shadow_lurker22 Posts: 3,243 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Jawarrior2001 said:

    Woogieboogie said:

    Ever had something in the freezer that’s already frozen? It’s called frost bite even though it’s frozen it still turns to ****. Probably their logic

    True, but by that token, because Iceman reaches Absolute Zero, he can't get any colder, thus should be immune to cold snap, or maybe change his ability description to avoid the issue :disappointed:
    that is the name of his ability, he does not actually get that cold, because if he did he could not move.
    True science here absolute zero all molecules stop moving and is the absolute coldest anything can get.
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    DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,660 Guardian
    shadow_lurker22 said:

    Lormif said:

    Jawarrior2001 said:

    Woogieboogie said:

    Ever had something in the freezer that’s already frozen? It’s called frost bite even though it’s frozen it still turns to ****. Probably their logic

    True, but by that token, because Iceman reaches Absolute Zero, he can't get any colder, thus should be immune to cold snap, or maybe change his ability description to avoid the issue :disappointed:
    that is the name of his ability, he does not actually get that cold, because if he did he could not move.
    True science here absolute zero all molecules stop moving and is the absolute coldest anything can get.
    Kinda. Absolute zero as a temperature is defined to be -273.15C. As a concept it is defined to be the temperature at which an ideal gas reaches the minimum internal energy state. Classically, this is zero energy, but quantum mechanics makes this way more complicated.

    You can't really reach absolute zero. There's a couple of things preventing this, but it has been demonstrated that it is impossible to cool a system to absolute zero using any finite amount of work energy and finite time. This would require discussing the connection between thermodynamics, entropy, and quantum information theory. Short version: you can think of the process of cooling as a kind of computation, because you are reducing the entropy of the system (in a sense, you're learning more about the system by organizing it better). You can then show that no sequence of quantum computations can reduce the system's entropy to zero no matter how long you run it for, and thus no finite process can cool to absolute zero. Kinda.
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    HaminHamin Posts: 2,444 ★★★★★
    Why does Blade take sword damage?
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