Summoner Sigil Future Changes?

10hours · September 2019

Hello everyone, as you may notice this is my first post here in the forums even though i lurk quite often in them to further my knowledge of the game. I've decided to post for the first time to express an idea about the summoner sigil, but first i'd like to write a few words about me as a player just to understand where i stand. I've been playing for 2 and a half years and I'm not a spender, definitely a grinder. Learned early the importance of grinding from Brian Grant even though I'm not even close to his level (thanks BG!). I currently have 100% lol, all 3 variants, finished one run in 6.2 and working on 100% 6.1. I grind and buy the 4th of july and black friday's 15k deals plus i bought the vision offer once it went down. Doesn't matter if you believe that all game content can be cleared without using real money or not, although my alliance mates can testify most of this...this is not the topic of discussion.
But even though i don't spend, i plan on dropping money on this game for all the great work Kabam has done and especially for keeping me entertained (highs and lows) with this game (i am definitely not one of the lucky accounts as my pulls are quite horrible but i enjoy playing the game even if i constantly **** about my pulls). I am not here to discuss on how you should play the game or how much money you should spend. Everyone should play as they see fit and spend their money however they want and i am glad there are plenty of people who invest money in this game and help it stay alive.
This said, we cannot deny there is quite a gap between spenders and non spenders. Grinders can lessen the extent up to a certain amount, but what is most important is skill and strategy...but on equal skill terms...then there is no contest between the two.
Now when the summoner sigil was introduced, i read a lot of opinions, making some of my own... if you've seen KT1 fierce response and BGs calm one...i'd say i was in between. Do i think the sigil is a good offer? Yes, i believe its a great offer compared to a star lords loot bag amount of units...it just blows it away. So i was glad for a great offer, not so glad because of a monthly subscription...had it been say 50$ for a lifetime or 100...i probably would of bought it, but that's just me.
Now my main concern is this. After logging on tonight i was prompted to take a survey to help Kabam by answering some question so i was glad to accept. Basically the survey was about the Summoner sigil and what i thought about it and what else could be added to it...by the looks of it they are thinking of further expanding the deal (no idea about money) by adding extra stuff (extra content; extra offers; extra rewards, etc). Now of course whoever already buys it would be extra happy about it, while f2p and casual spenders of course would be more upset. Most of you will say hey, don't spend, don't complain...i understand and everyone is entitled to their opinions, but f2p help a little too by expanding the player base and why not by publicizing the game too. The more the gap between spenders, casual spenders and f2p the more unrest there will be so my idea would be this:

Make the sigil obtainable by spending 10$ a month or by using units.
Don't want to grind and spend 10$ for the sigil? That's a great value, good for you!
Want to grind your ass off and buy the sigil for that month where you really need it (maybe not for 275 units which would be the 10$ star lord's offer but say 500? 750?1000? a month) well you have the choice.
If they were to further expand the benefits of the sigil, then i would gladly use 1k of my hard earned units to buy a month's worth of the sigil. I won't be able to get it every single month, but at least some time i will and get all the extra rewards.
Kabam as a company needs to make money, everyone understands it, but by allowing this, they would be giving us a choice.
Ok, sorry i really didn't want to make this so long. Just a wanted to throw down my idea and my background.

SummonerNR · September 2019

There was just an in-game invitation to take part in a SURVEY about the SIGIL. Did you get that in-game Mail Msg and Link to the survey ?

10hours · September 2019

Yup, that’s the one I’m talking about

RoninMan · September 2019

I don’t think they would ever offer the sigil for units because you can easily farm 500-1,000 units per month, especially when you include the units you get from the sigil. So that’s way too much free stuff for nothing for them.

Izzle_07 · September 2019

I agree with 10 hours and I’ve played with him for years. Everything he stated about himself is true. Definitely a grinder. And from that aspect I see his point of view. I don’t spend much and would be highly upset if I had to pay to continuously keep up with the people who already pay to play. I’m not saying the unit idea would be ideal, but it’s not ideal to continually further a gap that many grinders try to close a bit. Most people feel the sigil is just a money grab as it is. So why add even more stuff and exclusive content to make it “better”? It’s more of a morale crusher than anything else.

10hours · September 2019

RoninMan said:
I don’t think they would ever offer the sigil for units because you can easily farm 500-1,000 units per month, especially when you include the units you get from the sigil. So that’s way too much free stuff for nothing for them.

You’re stating that 500-1000 units would not be enough because you can farm them easily...so what about 2k units? Do remember that they offer 275 units for 10$ in their store...that would basically them be saying and acknowledging that the unit store is a rip off

DNA3000 · September 2019

1. Kabam puts out surveys all the time to get feedback and ideas from players. People are posting those surveys on the Reddit all the time. Most of the time, not much directly comes of it.

2. The Sigil is explicitly intended to entice people to spend money. Some percentage has to, or the game goes away. They don't expect everyone to spend, or even most people to spend. But they do need people to spend, and the Sigil is an offer targeted at players willing to spend a small amount (relatively) regularly or semi-regularly for a basket of rewards. Offering it for units would defeat the purpose, which is to encourage people to spend.

3. Why add another thing to spend on? Because every offer is different, in terms of who it targets. Many offers offer relatively little value for relatively high monetary cost. They target people willing to spend a lot for a little. Those people contribute a lot of money to the game and in return ask for very little, and you want to target those people because they contribute a lot to support the game. But some offers give relatively high value for relatively low money. Some are designed to target small time spenders or rare spenders, and they can contain more value because they are much less common: they don't increase the gap between spenders and non-spenders too much as a result. The Sigil targets a different group of players: players willing to spend a low amount regularly but need higher value to part with their cash.

There are a lot of things you can buy with units, and units are grindable currency. But there has to be things you can't buy with units, or the game won't be able to fund its existence. MCOC is actually very friendly to grinders in that regard, in that the vast majority of things you can buy at all you can buy for units. But some things won't be, and the Sigil is one of them.

For free to play or very infrequent spenders to want to be able to grind for most things is completely reasonable. But some things won't be, and they will likely be things they want, because how else are you going to entice people to spend on the game.

Lormif · September 2019

10hours said:

RoninMan said:
I don’t think they would ever offer the sigil for units because you can easily farm 500-1,000 units per month, especially when you include the units you get from the sigil. So that’s way too much free stuff for nothing for them.
You’re stating that 500-1000 units would not be enough because you can farm them easily...so what about 2k units? Do remember that they offer 275 units for 10$ in their store...that would basically them be saying and acknowledging that the unit store is a rip off

those 2 statements are not comparable. That is like claiming a new 2019 car is a rip off because you can buy it for less new in 2020 because they want to get rid of that inventory, or in this case they want to encourage you to spend because people who spend once are more than likely to spend more often.

10hours · September 2019

DNA3000 said:
1. Kabam puts out surveys all the time to get feedback and ideas from players. People are posting those surveys on the Reddit all the time. Most of the time, not much directly comes of it.

2. The Sigil is explicitly intended to entice people to spend money. Some percentage has to, or the game goes away. They don't expect everyone to spend, or even most people to spend. But they do need people to spend, and the Sigil is an offer targeted at players willing to spend a small amount (relatively) regularly or semi-regularly for a basket of rewards. Offering it for units would defeat the purpose, which is to encourage people to spend.

3. Why add another thing to spend on? Because every offer is different, in terms of who it targets. Many offers offer relatively little value for relatively high monetary cost. They target people willing to spend a lot for a little. Those people contribute a lot of money to the game and in return ask for very little, and you want to target those people because they contribute a lot to support the game. But some offers give relatively high value for relatively low money. Some are designed to target small time spenders or rare spenders, and they can contain more value because they are much less common: they don't increase the gap between spenders and non-spenders too much as a result. The Sigil targets a different group of players: players willing to spend a low amount regularly but need higher value to part with their cash.

There are a lot of things you can buy with units, and units are grindable currency. But there has to be things you can't buy with units, or the game won't be able to fund its existence. MCOC is actually very friendly to grinders in that regard, in that the vast majority of things you can buy at all you can buy for units. But some things won't be, and the Sigil is one of them.

For free to play or very infrequent spenders to want to be able to grind for most things is completely reasonable. But some things won't be, and they will likely be things they want, because how else are you going to entice people to spend on the game.

Valid points but up to a degree. Before playing mcoc I played clash of clans and buying gems there could only 1) make buildings/army/research finish sooner 2) exchange for resources...all things you could grind or wait for. There wasn’t extra things that grinders did not have access to ( i don’t know if things changed last 2 years)...and Coc was one of the biggest engrossing games money wise.
The sigil as is, is already a great value, but to further expand it...with extra content or offers would be dividing the player base even more imo

10hours · September 2019

Lormif said:

10hours said:

RoninMan said:
I don’t think they would ever offer the sigil for units because you can easily farm 500-1,000 units per month, especially when you include the units you get from the sigil. So that’s way too much free stuff for nothing for them.
You’re stating that 500-1000 units would not be enough because you can farm them easily...so what about 2k units? Do remember that they offer 275 units for 10$ in their store...that would basically them be saying and acknowledging that the unit store is a rip off
those 2 statements are not comparable. That is like claiming a new 2019 car is a rip off because you can buy it for less new in 2020 because they want to get rid of that inventory, or in this case they want to encourage you to spend because people who spend once are more than likely to spend more often.

Sorry I don’t get the comparison you made

Lormif · September 2019

10hours said:

DNA3000 said:
1. Kabam puts out surveys all the time to get feedback and ideas from players. People are posting those surveys on the Reddit all the time. Most of the time, not much directly comes of it.

2. The Sigil is explicitly intended to entice people to spend money. Some percentage has to, or the game goes away. They don't expect everyone to spend, or even most people to spend. But they do need people to spend, and the Sigil is an offer targeted at players willing to spend a small amount (relatively) regularly or semi-regularly for a basket of rewards. Offering it for units would defeat the purpose, which is to encourage people to spend.

3. Why add another thing to spend on? Because every offer is different, in terms of who it targets. Many offers offer relatively little value for relatively high monetary cost. They target people willing to spend a lot for a little. Those people contribute a lot of money to the game and in return ask for very little, and you want to target those people because they contribute a lot to support the game. But some offers give relatively high value for relatively low money. Some are designed to target small time spenders or rare spenders, and they can contain more value because they are much less common: they don't increase the gap between spenders and non-spenders too much as a result. The Sigil targets a different group of players: players willing to spend a low amount regularly but need higher value to part with their cash.

There are a lot of things you can buy with units, and units are grindable currency. But there has to be things you can't buy with units, or the game won't be able to fund its existence. MCOC is actually very friendly to grinders in that regard, in that the vast majority of things you can buy at all you can buy for units. But some things won't be, and the Sigil is one of them.

For free to play or very infrequent spenders to want to be able to grind for most things is completely reasonable. But some things won't be, and they will likely be things they want, because how else are you going to entice people to spend on the game.
Valid points but up to a degree. Before playing mcoc I played clash of clans and buying gems there could only 1) make buildings/army/research finish sooner 2) exchange for resources...all things you could grind or wait for. There wasn’t extra things that grinders did not have access to ( i don’t know if things changed last 2 years)...and Coc was one of the biggest engrossing games money wise.
The sigil as is, is already a great value, but to further expand it...with extra content or offers would be dividing the player base even more imo

And the grinders contributed nothing to their grossing success, because they did not spend. You seem to be implying that if you give more things for free (which grinding is) then they will make more money, that is not the case.

The content in the sigil does not divide the playerbase, there is nothing competitive in the sigil, just as other people stated QOL.

Lormif · September 2019

10hours said:

Lormif said:

10hours said:

RoninMan said:
I don’t think they would ever offer the sigil for units because you can easily farm 500-1,000 units per month, especially when you include the units you get from the sigil. So that’s way too much free stuff for nothing for them.
You’re stating that 500-1000 units would not be enough because you can farm them easily...so what about 2k units? Do remember that they offer 275 units for 10$ in their store...that would basically them be saying and acknowledging that the unit store is a rip off
those 2 statements are not comparable. That is like claiming a new 2019 car is a rip off because you can buy it for less new in 2020 because they want to get rid of that inventory, or in this case they want to encourage you to spend because people who spend once are more than likely to spend more often.
Sorry I don’t get the comparison you made

In general offering a special offer in no way invalidates the regular price as a rip off.

10hours · September 2019

Lormif said:

10hours said:

DNA3000 said:
1. Kabam puts out surveys all the time to get feedback and ideas from players. People are posting those surveys on the Reddit all the time. Most of the time, not much directly comes of it.

2. The Sigil is explicitly intended to entice people to spend money. Some percentage has to, or the game goes away. They don't expect everyone to spend, or even most people to spend. But they do need people to spend, and the Sigil is an offer targeted at players willing to spend a small amount (relatively) regularly or semi-regularly for a basket of rewards. Offering it for units would defeat the purpose, which is to encourage people to spend.

3. Why add another thing to spend on? Because every offer is different, in terms of who it targets. Many offers offer relatively little value for relatively high monetary cost. They target people willing to spend a lot for a little. Those people contribute a lot of money to the game and in return ask for very little, and you want to target those people because they contribute a lot to support the game. But some offers give relatively high value for relatively low money. Some are designed to target small time spenders or rare spenders, and they can contain more value because they are much less common: they don't increase the gap between spenders and non-spenders too much as a result. The Sigil targets a different group of players: players willing to spend a low amount regularly but need higher value to part with their cash.

There are a lot of things you can buy with units, and units are grindable currency. But there has to be things you can't buy with units, or the game won't be able to fund its existence. MCOC is actually very friendly to grinders in that regard, in that the vast majority of things you can buy at all you can buy for units. But some things won't be, and the Sigil is one of them.

For free to play or very infrequent spenders to want to be able to grind for most things is completely reasonable. But some things won't be, and they will likely be things they want, because how else are you going to entice people to spend on the game.
Valid points but up to a degree. Before playing mcoc I played clash of clans and buying gems there could only 1) make buildings/army/research finish sooner 2) exchange for resources...all things you could grind or wait for. There wasn’t extra things that grinders did not have access to ( i don’t know if things changed last 2 years)...and Coc was one of the biggest engrossing games money wise.
The sigil as is, is already a great value, but to further expand it...with extra content or offers would be dividing the player base even more imo
And the grinders contributed nothing to their grossing success, because they did not spend. You seem to be implying that if you give more things for free (which grinding is) then they will make more money, that is not the case.

The content in the sigil does not divide the playerbase, there is nothing competitive in the sigil, just as other people stated QOL.

Agree...for now...but the survey was asking questions about if you’d prefer extra content and other stuff. That’s what I am arguing about...as of now the sigil is very well balance to give an extra nice boost to subscribers but not that much as to make grinders not be able to keep up completely

GroundedWisdom · September 2019

It was a simple survey. Not a promise that these things will come to pass. They're just looking for feedback on it.

10hours · September 2019

Lormif said:

10hours said:

Lormif said:

10hours said:

RoninMan said:
I don’t think they would ever offer the sigil for units because you can easily farm 500-1,000 units per month, especially when you include the units you get from the sigil. So that’s way too much free stuff for nothing for them.
You’re stating that 500-1000 units would not be enough because you can farm them easily...so what about 2k units? Do remember that they offer 275 units for 10$ in their store...that would basically them be saying and acknowledging that the unit store is a rip off
those 2 statements are not comparable. That is like claiming a new 2019 car is a rip off because you can buy it for less new in 2020 because they want to get rid of that inventory, or in this case they want to encourage you to spend because people who spend once are more than likely to spend more often.
Sorry I don’t get the comparison you made
In general offering a special offer in no way invalidates the regular price as a rip off.

Well if the old offer is obsolete...it should just substitute it...? Who would buy a star lords bag over a sigil...? Or better yet...who would buy both?

10hours · September 2019

GroundedWisdom said:
It was a simple survey. Not a promise that these things will come to pass. They're just looking for feedback on it.

Yes, I know...but it still means they have at least thought about it... KT1 in his first video about the sigil also stated that he though it would change...evolve...with time

GroundedWisdom · September 2019

That entirely depends. If you're looking to buy something or complete a particular piece of content right away, you'll want the Units. If you're not particularly concerned at the moment and want all the other benefits, you'll opt for the Sigil.

GroundedWisdom · September 2019

10hours said:

GroundedWisdom said:
It was a simple survey. Not a promise that these things will come to pass. They're just looking for feedback on it.
Yes, I know...but it still means they have at least thought about it... KT1 in his first video about the sigil also stated that he though it would change...evolve...with time

I think most of us deduced that with the "Introductory Price" stipulation.

Kabam Zibiit · September 2019

Hey there, we appreciate everyone providing their feedback, but would ask that those who got the survey make sure to share their feedback within the survey itself.

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