Have you tried just being more polite? I'm sure if you were less aggressive, then people would actually try taking the time to listen.
Trust me, I’m trying. All the frustration that I don’t put out in real life makes its way on the internet. It’s better that way. Also, do listen to my findings sometimes, regardless of the behavior, and I’ll try to improve my behavior 🫶
All you had to do instead of saying "I've got a bone to pick with Kabam" and commanding Miike to tell the team to fix sandman. You could have just said "hey, Sandmans root sp3 locks the opponent when all other roots don't. It would make sense to have consistency with his root too." That's all you really needed to say.
As the owner of a R5 6* sandman we can all agree this makes him the superior root master as he locks sp3s still. And has been since release AND since root change. If they are gonna change his root now... Oh boy.
This is indeed a bug, and the expected Root behaviour should be that or Zemo and Kraven. This is the default for Root, and what we mentioned when the bug for those Champs was fixed.
Have you tried just being more polite? I'm sure if you were less aggressive, then people would actually try taking the time to listen.
Trust me, I’m trying. All the frustration that I don’t put out in real life makes its way on the internet. It’s better that way. Also, do listen to my findings sometimes, regardless of the behavior, and I’ll try to improve my behavior 🫶
All you had to do instead of saying "I've got a bone to pick with Kabam" and commanding Miike to tell the team to fix sandman. You could have just said "hey, Sandmans root sp3 locks the opponent when all other roots don't. It would make sense to have consistency with his root too." That's all you really needed to say.
Also don't tag people out of spite.
I was talking about Slayer with the spite, I am still salty about what they did to Zemo and Kraven…
This is indeed a bug, and the expected Root behaviour should be that or Zemo and Kraven. This is the default for Root, and what we mentioned when the bug for those Champs was fixed.
I don’t know why you’re saying a bug was fixed if root was changed. Just say it was changed, it’s fine. It wasn’t a bug, the team just decided that they intended root to do something else, which is ok if properly communicated.
This is indeed a bug, and the expected Root behaviour should be that or Zemo and Kraven. This is the default for Root, and what we mentioned when the bug for those Champs was fixed.
I don’t know why you’re saying a bug was fixed if root was changed. Just say it was changed, it’s fine. It wasn’t a bug, the team just decided that they intended root to do something else, which is ok if properly communicated.
If they talk about discussions when designing Root, that doesn't constitute deciding to change it after release.
This is indeed a bug, and the expected Root behaviour should be that or Zemo and Kraven. This is the default for Root, and what we mentioned when the bug for those Champs was fixed.
I don’t know why you’re saying a bug was fixed if root was changed. Just say it was changed, it’s fine. It wasn’t a bug, the team just decided that they intended root to do something else, which is ok if properly communicated.
If they talk about discussions when designing Root, that doesn't constitute deciding to change it after release.
This is indeed a bug, and the expected Root behaviour should be that or Zemo and Kraven. This is the default for Root, and what we mentioned when the bug for those Champs was fixed.
I don’t know why you’re saying a bug was fixed if root was changed. Just say it was changed, it’s fine. It wasn’t a bug, the team just decided that they intended root to do something else, which is ok if properly communicated.
If they talk about discussions when designing Root, that doesn't constitute deciding to change it after release.
It was changed 2 years after release…
Sure. Many bugs existed in the game for some time before they were fixed. That doesn't make them any less unintended.
@Kabam Miike so basicly sandman was bugged since release then? He has been locking sp3 since release even after the root fix. It looks more like you overlooked this and now want to "fix" him.
Theres a lot of situations where pushing them to sp3 then root locking into 4 heavies kills them. Now we gotta bait more hits.
I didn't "abuse" this but his root has always been and felt "different" to me. Changing it now is like doing kraven all over again.
If you do think that rankdowns are required which you probably wouldnt. Any chance we someday get ascension rank downs?
This is indeed a bug, and the expected Root behaviour should be that or Zemo and Kraven. This is the default for Root, and what we mentioned when the bug for those Champs was fixed.
I don’t know why you’re saying a bug was fixed if root was changed. Just say it was changed, it’s fine. It wasn’t a bug, the team just decided that they intended root to do something else, which is ok if properly communicated.
If they talk about discussions when designing Root, that doesn't constitute deciding to change it after release.
It was changed 2 years after release…
Sure. Many bugs existed in the game for some time before they were fixed. That doesn't make them any less unintended.
@Kabam Miike so basicly sandman was bugged since release then? He has been locking sp3 since release even after the root fix. It looks more like you overlooked this and now want to "fix" him.
Theres a lot of situations where pushing them to sp3 then root locking into 4 heavies kills them. Now we gotta bait more hits.
I didn't "abuse" this but his root has always been and felt "different" to me. Changing it now is like doing kraven all over again.
If you do think that rankdowns are required which you probably wouldnt. Any chance we someday get ascension rank downs?
No and no, this won’r make Sandman any weaker than he already is.
@Kabam Miike so basicly sandman was bugged since release then? He has been locking sp3 since release even after the root fix. It looks more like you overlooked this and now want to "fix" him.
Theres a lot of situations where pushing them to sp3 then root locking into 4 heavies kills them. Now we gotta bait more hits.
I didn't "abuse" this but his root has always been and felt "different" to me. Changing it now is like doing kraven all over again.
If you do think that rankdowns are required which you probably wouldnt. Any chance we someday get ascension rank downs?
No and no, this won’r make Sandman any weaker than he already is.
Maybe we can back to the first buff while we fix him
@Kabam Miike so basicly sandman was bugged since release then? He has been locking sp3 since release even after the root fix. It looks more like you overlooked this and now want to "fix" him.
Theres a lot of situations where pushing them to sp3 then root locking into 4 heavies kills them. Now we gotta bait more hits.
I didn't "abuse" this but his root has always been and felt "different" to me. Changing it now is like doing kraven all over again.
If you do think that rankdowns are required which you probably wouldnt. Any chance we someday get ascension rank downs?
No and no, this won’r make Sandman any weaker than he already is.
Maybe we can back to the first buff while we fix him
To be honest I have no idea why they nerfed that buff, it makes absolutely no sense. They already made him worse for longer fights and put ALL of his damage in the sig 200, so why nerf him from there? Now he actually deals less damage in anything but battlegrounds. Also, he isn’t even fast for battlegrounds…
This is indeed a bug, and the expected Root behaviour should be that or Zemo and Kraven. This is the default for Root, and what we mentioned when the bug for those Champs was fixed.
I don’t know why you’re saying a bug was fixed if root was changed. Just say it was changed, it’s fine. It wasn’t a bug, the team just decided that they intended root to do something else, which is ok if properly communicated.
If they talk about discussions when designing Root, that doesn't constitute deciding to change it after release.
It was changed 2 years after release…
Sure. Many bugs existed in the game for some time before they were fixed. That doesn't make them any less unintended.
I can’t with you, you’re just wrong.
I'd like to know how that statement is wrong. It's clear that you feel some type of way because of the fix but that doesn't mean you speak for Kabam's intentions.
This is indeed a bug, and the expected Root behaviour should be that or Zemo and Kraven. This is the default for Root, and what we mentioned when the bug for those Champs was fixed.
I don’t know why you’re saying a bug was fixed if root was changed. Just say it was changed, it’s fine. It wasn’t a bug, the team just decided that they intended root to do something else, which is ok if properly communicated.
If they talk about discussions when designing Root, that doesn't constitute deciding to change it after release.
It was changed 2 years after release…
Sure. Many bugs existed in the game for some time before they were fixed. That doesn't make them any less unintended.
I can’t with you, you’re just wrong.
I'd like to know how that statement is wrong. It's clear that you feel some type of way because of the fix but that doesn't mean you speak for Kabam's intentions.
This whole situation was handled as a bug when it’s just not true. The first intention for root was to special lock all specials by having them only throw heavies. In the meantime they have changed it so the defenders are only special locked 2 bars of power aswell as SHADOW NERFED it by having the opponent throw LIGHT ATTACKS and hold block for a whole combo. The shadow nerfs were not announced on any channel, nor did Kabam answer to the thread about them.
Anyone who plays a lot with Zemo and Kraven has noticed these changes in the last two patches. There’s no mention of them anywhere, yet they are still nerfs to the mechanic that exist in the game.
If they’re not meant to be shadow nerfs, since Kabam always states they don’t do that, then where is the communication and acknowledgement of their existence? Nowhere. All we get is "root bug". This "bug fix", how exactly does it factor into the other changes to root that I have listed?
I would love some insight on this topic @Kabam Miike or Jax, I don’t know the handle. If you tell me that this was intentional, I’m ok with it. If you tell me that it’s not, then please consider it as a bug and I’ll gladly wait for a fix 🙏
I just think it’s funny that this is a thing lol. It’s not like this is game breaking damage or utility, you can’t chain it indefinitely and plenty of other abilities are inconsistent between champs… like Sersi’s glancing buff compared to Maestro’s. But sure let’s “bug fix” a champ that could use that one extra heavy for damage
I just think it’s funny that this is a thing lol. It’s not like this is game breaking damage or utility, you can’t chain it indefinitely and plenty of other abilities are inconsistent between champs… like Sersi’s glancing buff compared to Maestro’s. But sure let’s “bug fix” a champ that could use that one extra heavy for damage
I agree, for someone like me who uses all the root champions all the time it sucked so bad. It felt like a personal attack.
I rarely say this on here, but it feels appropriate. Dude, let it go.
I don’t want to, I would love to have some closure from Kabam’s side. I won’t get my Zemo and Kraven back but an answer to my question would go a long way.
I rarely say this on here, but it feels appropriate. Dude, let it go.
I don’t want to, I would love to have some closure from Kabam’s side. I won’t get my Zemo and Kraven back but an answer to my question would go a long way.
I rarely say this on here, but it feels appropriate. Dude, let it go.
I don’t want to, I would love to have some closure from Kabam’s side. I won’t get my Zemo and Kraven back but an answer to my question would go a long way.
This is indeed a bug, and the expected Root behaviour should be that or Zemo and Kraven. This is the default for Root, and what we mentioned when the bug for those Champs was fixed.
I don’t know why you’re saying a bug was fixed if root was changed. Just say it was changed, it’s fine. It wasn’t a bug, the team just decided that they intended root to do something else, which is ok if properly communicated.
If they talk about discussions when designing Root, that doesn't constitute deciding to change it after release.
It was changed 2 years after release…
Sure. Many bugs existed in the game for some time before they were fixed. That doesn't make them any less unintended.
I can’t with you, you’re just wrong.
I'd like to know how that statement is wrong. It's clear that you feel some type of way because of the fix but that doesn't mean you speak for Kabam's intentions.
This whole situation was handled as a bug when it’s just not true. The first intention for root was to special lock all specials by having them only throw heavies. In the meantime they have changed it so the defenders are only special locked 2 bars of power aswell as SHADOW NERFED it by having the opponent throw LIGHT ATTACKS and hold block for a whole combo. The shadow nerfs were not announced on any channel, nor did Kabam answer to the thread about them.
Anyone who plays a lot with Zemo and Kraven has noticed these changes in the last two patches. There’s no mention of them anywhere, yet they are still nerfs to the mechanic that exist in the game.
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Also don't tag people out of spite.
This is indeed a bug, and the expected Root behaviour should be that or Zemo and Kraven. This is the default for Root, and what we mentioned when the bug for those Champs was fixed.
Theres a lot of situations where pushing them to sp3 then root locking into 4 heavies kills them. Now we gotta bait more hits.
I didn't "abuse" this but his root has always been and felt "different" to me. Changing it now is like doing kraven all over again.
If you do think that rankdowns are required which you probably wouldnt. Any chance we someday get ascension rank downs?
They fixed an interaction but left all others that do the exact same thing and even added more later
Now he actually deals less damage in anything but battlegrounds. Also, he isn’t even fast for battlegrounds…
Great job…
Anyone who plays a lot with Zemo and Kraven has noticed these changes in the last two patches. There’s no mention of them anywhere, yet they are still nerfs to the mechanic that exist in the game.