also @DNA3000 i am not talking about balancing it to a particular player or players skill set / roster.
act 4 has a set difficulty.
act 5.1 and 5.2 have set difficulties
act 5.3 and 5.4 have set difficulties.
they clearly have a design.
the EQ difficulties should be tailored to match one and not tinkered with.
therefore regardless of ur skill or your roster.
if you find act 4 hard masters will be a b***h
if you find 5.2 easy, masters will easy.
if you find 5.3 hard, UC will challenge you.
if you find 5.4 easy, UC will be easy with the occasional exception
if you find 5.4 and UC easy, that is where Elders difficulty will come in and challenge the bejeezus out of you.
But as I said, that's simply impossible. The only way this could possibly work is if "regardless of skill or roster" everyone perceived difficulty identically. But they don't. And difficulty is not a linear thing. I could find Act 4 easy while you find it hard. That doesn't mean I will *always* find everything easier than you. It is entirely possible that for some new content you'd find it easy and I would find it hard. That's actually not only possible, it is *desirable* in any game trying to generating interesting content.
This is completely separate from the fact that for any given single player, that player's perception of difficulty is a moving target, because their skill and roster and game experience keeps changing.
I'm setting aside whether I agree with your boundary conditions (I don't think I do) because I don't think those are even achievable in theory, regardless of what those boundary conditions are.
but i am not talking bout perception here.
not a bout percieved difficulty.
i am talking bout the creation and the structure.
yes some people find act 5.4 easier thans others
some find it harder than others.
but it has a set difficulty.
it has
champs of xxxx Pi
it has xx # of nodes per fight.
it has nodes of xxxx complexity.
giving it a difficulty rating of xxxxx
for someone xxxxx may be easy while for others it may be hard.
that is not wat i am saying.
what i am saying is that epic should match along side xxxxx not xxx - xxxxxxxxxxxx depending on your RNG of the champs you face
also @DNA3000 i am not talking about balancing it to a particular player or players skill set / roster.
act 4 has a set difficulty.
act 5.1 and 5.2 have set difficulties
act 5.3 and 5.4 have set difficulties.
they clearly have a design.
the EQ difficulties should be tailored to match one and not tinkered with.
therefore regardless of ur skill or your roster.
if you find act 4 hard masters will be a b***h
if you find 5.2 easy, masters will easy.
if you find 5.3 hard, UC will challenge you.
if you find 5.4 easy, UC will be easy with the occasional exception
if you find 5.4 and UC easy, that is where Elders difficulty will come in and challenge the bejeezus out of you.
But as I said, that's simply impossible. The only way this could possibly work is if "regardless of skill or roster" everyone perceived difficulty identically. But they don't. And difficulty is not a linear thing. I could find Act 4 easy while you find it hard. That doesn't mean I will *always* find everything easier than you. It is entirely possible that for some new content you'd find it easy and I would find it hard. That's actually not only possible, it is *desirable* in any game trying to generating interesting content.
This is completely separate from the fact that for any given single player, that player's perception of difficulty is a moving target, because their skill and roster and game experience keeps changing.
I'm setting aside whether I agree with your boundary conditions (I don't think I do) because I don't think those are even achievable in theory, regardless of what those boundary conditions are.
but i am not talking bout perception here.
not a bout percieved difficulty.
i am talking bout the creation and the structure.
yes some people find act 5.4 easier thans others
some find it harder than others.
but it has a set difficulty.
it has
champs of xxxx Pi
it has xx # of nodes per fight.
it has nodes of xxxx complexity.
giving it a difficulty rating of xxxxx
I'm sure this sounds straight forward to you, and I don't think I can convince you otherwise, but I've actually designed difficulty systems in live MMOs, and all I can say is you can ask for it, but you cannot get it. Outside of this discussion, people are constantly pointing out that PI is not a good judge of difficulty of a champion, and the nodes are wildly different in how they affect combat. In fact, depending on the skill of the player a node like Bane can be a *benefit* rather than a deficit node. Any attempt to say "adding Bane increases difficulty by X" ends up being completely random and arbitrary.
I'll go farther. I will bet anything that if we wave a magic wand and brainwash all Kabam developers to create a system like this and then *assert* to the players that the difficulty of event A is comparable or identical to event B because of this system, the players would be laughing in their faces and explicitly commenting on how they were completely brain dead, thinking such a system had any chance at all of hitting anywhere within a million miles of the mark. Completely separate from the question of whether this is even possible, I can also guarantee no one would trust it because no one would perceive it to actually work.
It is important to mention that this is a fundamental part of game development you would simply be forced to accept to function in a company. You might believe difficulty is "computable" but the company you work for will have a definition of difficulty virtually built into the walls of the cubicles that says "difficulty is something we measure: if 30% of the players complete A and 25% of the players complete B, then B is more difficult. The fact that you think B 'should be' less difficult because of [fill in the blank] just means you're wrong." In so many words, I've had this conversation multiple times.
In other words, you can ask a game developer like Kabam to do what you're suggesting, but what I'm saying is you're basically speaking a foreign language they do not speak.
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but i am not talking bout perception here.
not a bout percieved difficulty.
i am talking bout the creation and the structure.
yes some people find act 5.4 easier thans others
some find it harder than others.
but it has a set difficulty.
it has
champs of xxxx Pi
it has xx # of nodes per fight.
it has nodes of xxxx complexity.
giving it a difficulty rating of xxxxx
for someone xxxxx may be easy while for others it may be hard.
that is not wat i am saying.
what i am saying is that epic should match along side xxxxx not xxx - xxxxxxxxxxxx depending on your RNG of the champs you face
I'm sure this sounds straight forward to you, and I don't think I can convince you otherwise, but I've actually designed difficulty systems in live MMOs, and all I can say is you can ask for it, but you cannot get it. Outside of this discussion, people are constantly pointing out that PI is not a good judge of difficulty of a champion, and the nodes are wildly different in how they affect combat. In fact, depending on the skill of the player a node like Bane can be a *benefit* rather than a deficit node. Any attempt to say "adding Bane increases difficulty by X" ends up being completely random and arbitrary.
I'll go farther. I will bet anything that if we wave a magic wand and brainwash all Kabam developers to create a system like this and then *assert* to the players that the difficulty of event A is comparable or identical to event B because of this system, the players would be laughing in their faces and explicitly commenting on how they were completely brain dead, thinking such a system had any chance at all of hitting anywhere within a million miles of the mark. Completely separate from the question of whether this is even possible, I can also guarantee no one would trust it because no one would perceive it to actually work.
It is important to mention that this is a fundamental part of game development you would simply be forced to accept to function in a company. You might believe difficulty is "computable" but the company you work for will have a definition of difficulty virtually built into the walls of the cubicles that says "difficulty is something we measure: if 30% of the players complete A and 25% of the players complete B, then B is more difficult. The fact that you think B 'should be' less difficult because of [fill in the blank] just means you're wrong." In so many words, I've had this conversation multiple times.
In other words, you can ask a game developer like Kabam to do what you're suggesting, but what I'm saying is you're basically speaking a foreign language they do not speak.