Description in Sabertooth's ability
DanveerKarna
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Shouldn't the ability read "anywhere from 3 to 6" or "between 2 to 7" rather than "between 3 to 6".
Between 3 to 6 technically means 4 or 5.
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Sure, they could put "Between 3 and 6, inclusive" in the description to appease the nitpickers of the world, but I personally don't see a problem with how it's written.
That's why I mentioned "anywhere from". But I do agree with nitpickers part lol
lol,
It really does, unless it's specified somewhere than those numkbers aren't included
It literally doesn't. The answer to the question "is three between three and six" is no.
it is a common enough mistake that people tend to look for context. "Pick a number between three and six" is generally interpreted to mean "pick a number within the range of three through six inclusively." On the other hand, "name all the numbers between three and six" is generally interpreted to be "four and five."
In other words, in common English the word "between" doesn't have an unambiguous meaning outside of context. But its literal meaning generally doesn't include the fenceposts.
Actually, the phrase "between you and me [it's fine]" is meant to convey the notion that given no one else's consideration, the following thing is true. In other words, it is meant to convey the notion that "between you and me" no one else is relevant.
No it does not. The mathematical representation of this is 3<x<6, not 3<=x<=6. I remember back in college there was a programming class that a had this as a question, so many people were upset they got this wrong.
There is a difference in the preposition version of the word and an adverb version of it.
Specifically in the case of the word "between" it is most commonly used to denote the idea of correspondence or choice when used as a preposition and the idea of interval when used as an adverb.
In other words, "Void's intimidating presence ability chooses between agility debuff, fatigue debuff, and petrify debuff to inflict on the opponent." In this case, "between" means "from among."
"Sabretooth randomly receives between three and six persistent charges." In this case, "between" means "from within the interval of."
When you describe an open interval you say "it is all the numbers BETWEEN x and y", when you describe a closed interval you say "it is all the numbers FROM x to y", or "all numbers in between x and y including x and y". You have to clarify what you mean. I am not sure of the word between in other languages, but could be a translation error when it is converted. I think it is more that it can be confusing because the preposition version of the word is inclusive
This is something that wouldn’t be a thing for us to request if a proofreader took a look at abilities and edited for clarity and accuracy before they went live.
That's interesting. I'm not fluent in any language other than English, but I do know that in Japanese there's no direct translation of the word "between" unambiguously. You actually have to know which meaning you're associating with that word before you can translate it, which means it isn't fair to say that the phrase "between three and six" always means inclusive in that language. How you translate it determines whether it actually is inclusive or not. Especially because, and I'm far from an expert, but the notion of "inside" as in within or containing a range is not precisely the same in the two languages in terms of connotation.
"receive" is what it is quantifying, which is a verb, making it an adverb.
Now if it was 4 or 5 they would’ve wrote that, common sense tells people it’s 3 to 6 charges. It requires a serious/willing reasoning failure to think otherwise and really people are fine without the lowest common denominator being catered to.
This may be a small point, but I don't think it is wasted effort to discuss what the text descriptions actually mean, because if the players can't agree on what they mean, asking Kabam to document things "better" is a meaningless exercise.
In context I don't think this description is confusing or misleading, because I think everyone knows that no one says "between three and six" when they mean "four or five."
But that's because the range itself is small enough that it overrides what the meaning of the words actually is. Relying on context to let people guess what the correct meaning is can be a crutch that backfires when the situation isn't so clear. For example, I once saw a game that made this mistake: to generate a percentage (as in, out of 100) it generated a random number from "zero to 100." Is that inclusive or exclusive? The game generated those numbers inclusively. But the correct thing to do is neither of those: that range should be inclusive of zero but exclusive of one. When you generate all numbers from zero through 100 inclusively you're actually generating one hundred and one possibilities. And that's subtly broken.
Precision is a nit-pick, until it is not. We can't ask Kabam to document things better, unless we also mutually agree to only hold them to what the text means in standard English. Not in colloquial conversational English where everyone has a different opinion on the meaning of words. We all know what the Sabretooth text is trying to say, but we should still ask Kabam to correct it to proper English, not because it helps Sabretooth but because doing that consistently eventually helps the stuff that is more ambiguous. Or for that matter, currently unknown.
Because it is only 4 numbers it is reasonable to assume that they meant to include all numbers, because otherwise they would have just made a simpler or statement. On the other hand if the number range is larger that assumption goes away.
That being said it is not unreasonable to want something that is literally incorrect to be fixed. This mentality has lead to the colloquial use of the word "literally" of "figuratively" to be added to the dictionary and that just makes harder for us all to communicate clearly.
dude it is like you and I are on the same wavelength.
It is in the dictionary definition of the word as a PREPOSITION not as an ADVERB...
between
PREPOSITION
1 At, into, or across the space separating (two objects or regions)
ADVERB
1 In or along the space separating two objects or regions.
Preposition, inclusive, adverb exclusive
That is the quantification, it is not a noun or a pronoun, which is what a preposition expresses the relationship to.
Nope, dunno what language you speak but I speak 4 languages and it's the same in all 4...does not include the outer limits. English, Dutch, German, French...so even languages from different families treat this the same.
I feel this is one of the word crime in the category:
That is a preposition, it describes a relationship between 2 nouns or pronouns, therefore it is inclusive.