Cavalier Crystal Suggestion...

RookM1

Kabam Team,

This new Cavalier Crystal has an 88% chance to award a champion you've locked out of Act6, which is pretty disappointing...

...what do you guys think about replacing the 3 and 4star champions with resources needed to exclusively rank up 5 and 6star champs? T2A frags, T5B frags, T5CC frags, even if it's a small amount, would be more useful that 3 and 4stat champs.

Thanks

RCunha

Totally agree, once you reach this point of the game and BAN 4* out of the new act, 3 and 4* stars champions are a bit of a joke at this point, 4* are still OK but 3* for someone who completes act 6, hell no..

DNA3000

The Cavalier crystal costs 200 units. Statistically speaking, that means you will pull a 5* or 6* champ about once every 1667 units of expense. I don't find that to be particularly disappointing odds.

To try to normalize the crystal drops and estimate the value of the crystal, let's assume 5* and 6* champs are worth the same thing and assume that the crystal just has a 12% chance to drop a 5* champ. That undervalues the crystal slightly. Let's also assume that the 4* drops are worth nothing except for the 5* shards they generate through duplication. I'm going to assume that the average player that can pull this crystal at all is going to get on average something between about one dup and two dups per pull (a dup, or a dup plus max sig crystal) so all the 4* pulls are just worth some number between 275 and 550 5* shards. I'm going to further assume that all the 3* pulls are just worth 100 4* shards (dup max sig, most of the time, occasionally something else). So my estimate for the value of the crystal's drops is:

12% of the time the crystal drops 5*
38% of the time the crystal drops 275-550 5* shards
50% of the time the crystal drops 100 4* shards.

100 4* shards is 1/20th or 5% of a 4* champ, and I'm valuing a 4* champ at between 275-550 5* shards. So 50% of the time the crystal drops 5% * (275-550) = 13.75 - 27.5 5* shard equivalent in value.

275 shards is 2.75% of a 5* basic crystal. 550 shards is 5.5% of a basic crystal. 13.75 shards is 0.1375% of a basic, and 27.5 is 0.275% of a basic crystal. So we end up with:

12% * (1 5* basic) + 38% * (2.75% - 5.5% 5* basic) + 50% * (0.1375% - 0.275% 5* basic)
12 + (1.045 to 2.09) + (0.06875 to 0.1375) = 13.11375% to 14.2275% of a basic 5* crystal.

That means in overall average terms it takes between 7.0 and 7.6 Cavalier crystals to pull a 5* (or higher) champ. That means you're getting 5* or higher about once every 1400 to 1520 units of expense, factoring in the fractional 5* value of the 4* and 3* drops.

To put it another way, the 3* and 4* champs in the crystal contain about 10-20% of the value of the crystal, even if the only thing you care about is 5* or higher champs. That's not bad at all.

WrathfulRaven

Yeah. Pretty disappointed with those crystals already. Bought three and three more of same old 3* is what I got. I know it’s still luck but can’t even give 4* to give us players 5* shards. Would still take A lot to form a 5* crystal but it would significantly reduce the saltiness. Even if they made them a tiny bit more expensive but removed 3* altogether.

IKON

Uh, these crystals are amazing value. All my units are going here until further notice

IKON

And honestly, I'm a little worried they're too awesome, and are going to totally change the landscape of the game.

hellion_3

No more 3*s they are absolutely useless to someone who is able to do act 6

NEO_mr_Anderson

Talking about drop rate???
Check this...

https://youtu.be/4xChODBMU10

DNA3000

IKON said:

And honestly, I'm a little worried they're too awesome, and are going to totally change the landscape of the game.

Going to be honest, I thought the announcement might have typoed the percentages, until I saw people opening Cavalier crystals today. Basically one in eight crystals contain a high rarity champion. That's borderline ludicrous to me. That makes grinding arena for units and spending them on this crystal competitive with grinding arena for actual 5* shards. It might even be better reward per unit grind time. I mean, in real terms this values getting 1-10% in the featured arena worth about 300 units.

300 units? I can't put enough question marks at the end of that.

Biollante442

Honestly, I feel like they need to drop 3* champs from cavalier crystals and rework the statistics. They dropped 2* champs when you earned grandmaster crystals and replaced them with 3* champs and added 4* champs. I don't see the issue with dropping the 3* champs and having the 6* champs in it. Especially completing act 6? That's just trolling.

Lord_RobBot_85

This is good drop rate too, my recent pulls.
Each row. <—> was a group of 10
It was a lot of fun today.