Symbiote supreme

5FDPxxx

I wanted to know how good is symbiote supreme unduped as a 5 star

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Addyos

Short answer. He's good.
Not so short answer. He's good, even unduped.
Long answer. Use the Search button on the forums for more information

LibertyPrimeV1

5FDPxxx said:

I wanted to know how good is symbiote supreme unduped as a 5 star

Beyond Godly against Champions with Buffs and still Great against Champions without Buffs, and his Dupe Ability is not Needed but it's a nice addition.

LibertyPrimeV1

Has great Synergies with all the Symbiotes too...

LibertyPrimeV1

I'd suggest using Video Guides so you know the Basics of the Champion, he's far from complicated but needs a little bit of an understanding of his Playstyle.

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Demonzfyre

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

5FDPxxx said:

I wanted to know how good is symbiote supreme unduped as a 5 star

Beyond Godly against Champions with Buffs and still Great against Champions without Buffs, and his Dupe Ability is not Needed but it's a nice addition.

Uhhh I wouldn't say hes great against non buff heavy champs. He needs to nullify buffs to gain genetic potential. He can't do that very well at all without buffs. If he doesn't have genetic potential, he won't bleed or gain power fast.

LibertyPrimeV1

Demonzfyre said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

5FDPxxx said:

I wanted to know how good is symbiote supreme unduped as a 5 star

Beyond Godly against Champions with Buffs and still Great against Champions without Buffs, and his Dupe Ability is not Needed but it's a nice addition.

Uhhh I wouldn't say hes great against non buff heavy champs. He needs to nullify buffs to gain genetic potential. He can't do that very well at all without buffs. If he doesn't have genetic potential, he won't bleed or gain power fast.

He still gains Genetic Potential when Staggers expire...

V1PER1987

VOLK1902 said:

Great.The best mystic.

Voodoo would like to have a word.

Demonzfyre

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

Demonzfyre said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

5FDPxxx said:

I wanted to know how good is symbiote supreme unduped as a 5 star

Beyond Godly against Champions with Buffs and still Great against Champions without Buffs, and his Dupe Ability is not Needed but it's a nice addition.

Uhhh I wouldn't say hes great against non buff heavy champs. He needs to nullify buffs to gain genetic potential. He can't do that very well at all without buffs. If he doesn't have genetic potential, he won't bleed or gain power fast.

He still gains Genetic Potential when Staggers expire...

Sure but doesn't get a ton of it and he takes longer to ramp up. If you aren't at 100 genetic potential when you have an L3 and time it with Set fangs, your bleeds are more like scratches. L2's won't drain as much power either.

Kabam Zibiit

Congrats! I generally try to focus on building up to his SP3 as quickly and frequently as possible so that he can take advantage of all of his Genetic Blessings at the same time. That said, if you have the opportunity, waiting to use the SP3 until you have 100 Genetic Potential will ensure that he gets the most Power after activating your SP3 though.

LibertyPrimeV1

Demonzfyre said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

Demonzfyre said:

LibertyPrimeV1 said:

5FDPxxx said:

I wanted to know how good is symbiote supreme unduped as a 5 star

Beyond Godly against Champions with Buffs and still Great against Champions without Buffs, and his Dupe Ability is not Needed but it's a nice addition.

Uhhh I wouldn't say hes great against non buff heavy champs. He needs to nullify buffs to gain genetic potential. He can't do that very well at all without buffs. If he doesn't have genetic potential, he won't bleed or gain power fast.

He still gains Genetic Potential when Staggers expire...

Sure but doesn't get a ton of it and he takes longer to ramp up. If you aren't at 100 genetic potential when you have an L3 and time it with Set fangs, your bleeds are more like scratches. L2's won't drain as much power either.

Isn't as big a difference as you think, you just need 4 Staggers to expire each phase which is Really easy to get stacked up one that first phase if you're aggressive enough.

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Woogieboogie

OneManArmy said:

VOLK1902 said:

Great.The best mystic.

Both Magik and DV have better claim at that title

On what earth is DV better than SS....

V1PER1987

Woogieboogie said:

OneManArmy said:

VOLK1902 said:

Great.The best mystic.

Both Magik and DV have better claim at that title

On what earth is DV better than SS....

On every earth. Sym controls buffs and bleeds. Voodoo controls buffs, poisons, power controls, regenerates, and reduces ability accuracy. How is this even a debate?

klobberintyme

Woogieboogie said:

OneManArmy said:

VOLK1902 said:

Great.The best mystic.

Both Magik and DV have better claim at that title

On what earth is DV better than SS....

The one where you'd like to kill your non-poison immune opponent without waiting 30 seconds to start the fight. I have DV, SS, and Magik at 3/45 (GR is the 4/55 for blade trinity action) - whomever dupes first gets the next nod. They're all nice tho, with 4 MD especially.

zuffy

VOLK1902 said:

Also a good news for you.Now when you have him you no longer need to use any other mystic champions he simply can 100% replace them.

I have a r4 sig 179 SS but I still use GR everything. SS is more of a specialist champ imo.

DNA3000

V1PER1987 said:

Woogieboogie said:

OneManArmy said:

VOLK1902 said:

Great.The best mystic.

Both Magik and DV have better claim at that title

On what earth is DV better than SS....

On every earth. Sym controls buffs and bleeds. Voodoo controls buffs, poisons, power controls, regenerates, and reduces ability accuracy. How is this even a debate?

I think what makes the debate a fair fight is that while Dr. Voodoo is stronger than SS in many situations, SS comes out way ahead on a few very key ones: very problematic cosmics. In my opinion there's just no contest at all between Voodoo and SS going up against Medusa, Hyperion, or The Champion, say. And people often think less about overall ability, and more about how many nasty problems a champion can buy you out of.

Also, SS does have capabilities you don't list. SS does have some power control (SP2 power steals in phase one) and has a safeguard in phase two which allows SS to tank SP3s with the right timing. And in situations where the defender procs a lot of buffs SS can generate an insane amount of power, like if Vision's synthesis was a permanent buff.

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phillgreen

I pulled 4* voodoo and SS in the same batch of crystals. Given I have a class gem and enough resources to take either to R5 right now (truth be told I could do both but don't want to), who would you choose?

T4CC do not rain from the sky and I would love a 5r4 magik.

phillgreen

I should also point out that im uncollected and only really want to rank champs that will work well in act 5

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Kabam Zibiit

I think Symbiote Supreme and Doctor Voodoo both have their uses and even though they cover some similar areas, they do have some differences that could be important to consider depending on who is on your team. Voodoo's Regeneration at the top of the fight can be pretty helpful for sustained fights, though SS's ability to tank specials while in Null's Shadow can be used as a different kind of defensive utility. Symbiote Supreme is better at preventing Buffs, but in fights where an opponent will gain their Buffs no matter what, Voodoo has a stronger ability to get rid of Buffs that are already active.