Proxima midnight is still small ?

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Guys any update on the last thread .?

Terra

Atleast she should be a M. L is a bit too much for her imo.

SiriusBreak

I dunno, that's one big bad woman. I never understood why she was tagged as small when she's on par with Morningstar and She-Hulk in size, and they're tagged Large. Perhaps they're worried Proxima will take it personally and come bring the pain to the Kabam crew. I wouldn't want to experience her wrath 😂.

I just did some searching and she's said to be at least 6'6, and Jennifer Walters in She-Hulk form is said to be 6'7. Perhaps we should be honest to Proxima and tell her, she's large 😉. Because if 6'6 is considered small, champs like Ghost and Gwenpool should be labeled Tiny or Petite, lol.

Sixshot1

A LOT of the female characters in this game that aren't really that small at all, are labelled small. Doesn't tend to happen as much with male characters. Draw your own conclusions on that.

Narwhal52x

Sixshot1 said:

A LOT of the female characters in this game that aren't really that small at all, are labelled small. Doesn't tend to happen as much with male characters. Draw your own conclusions on that.

I know where your getting at 😉 and I don't like it either

Cliffordcan

Unrealistic societal beauty standards FTW

Terra

I can't be the only one who finds Proxima, both MCU and Game version, hot right? Right?

Marri_2

Cliffordcan said:

Unrealistic societal beauty standards FTW

I, for one, think SheHulk is the most attractieve champ. Followed closely by Rocket Raccoon and Groot.

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Terra said:

I can't be the only one who finds Proxima, both MCU and Game version, hot right? Right?

I do as well lol

GroundedWisdom

Was she supposed to be changed?

Kobster84

GroundedWisdom said:

Was she supposed to be changed?

Why shouldn’t she she’s bigger than some of the large champs such as cable and luke cage

Thecrusher_9756

Did she grow?

GroundedWisdom

Kobster84 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Was she supposed to be changed?

Why shouldn’t she she’s bigger than some of the large champs such as cable and luke cage

It's related to internal game mechanics, and not meant to reflect reality and size comparison necessarily. Logic doesn't always apply.

Cliffordcan

GroundedWisdom said:

Kobster84 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Was she supposed to be changed?

Why shouldn’t she she’s bigger than some of the large champs such as cable and luke cage

It's related to internal game mechanics, and not meant to reflect reality and size comparison necessarily. Logic doesn't always apply.

What are you talking about????? One champion’s size in game shouldn’t be related to another’s because of “internal game mechanics”? Can you please keep some of your thoughts to yourself? Especially the thoughts with no sense or that don’t reflect reality necessarily.

Hammerbro_64

Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg said:

Terra said:

I can't be the only one who finds Proxima, both MCU and Game version, hot right? Right?

I do as well lol

The only female champ I have eyes for is Morningstar 🤷‍♂️

GroundedWisdom

Cliffordcan said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Kobster84 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Was she supposed to be changed?

Why shouldn’t she she’s bigger than some of the large champs such as cable and luke cage

It's related to internal game mechanics, and not meant to reflect reality and size comparison necessarily. Logic doesn't always apply.

What are you talking about????? One champion’s size in game shouldn’t be related to another’s because of “internal game mechanics”? Can you please keep some of your thoughts to yourself? Especially the thoughts with no sense or that don’t reflect reality necessarily.

I'm sorry you disagree, but reality has very little to do with anything in this game.
The Size of a Champ is related to how they want them to function in the game. Presumably, it's decided along with their partners, much the same as the Tags are. What I said was reality has little to do with it. It's not as if they stood them up physically in a line and measured them. There are various game modes that depend on Size, and they function how they want those Champs to function in those. The game is not always congruent with "reality".

ItsDamien

GroundedWisdom said:

Cliffordcan said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Kobster84 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Was she supposed to be changed?

Why shouldn’t she she’s bigger than some of the large champs such as cable and luke cage

It's related to internal game mechanics, and not meant to reflect reality and size comparison necessarily. Logic doesn't always apply.

What are you talking about????? One champion’s size in game shouldn’t be related to another’s because of “internal game mechanics”? Can you please keep some of your thoughts to yourself? Especially the thoughts with no sense or that don’t reflect reality necessarily.

I'm sorry you disagree, but reality has very little to do with anything in this game.
The Size of a Champ is related to how they want them to function in the game. Presumably, it's decided along with their partners, much the same as the Tags are. What I said was reality has little to do with it. It's not as if they stood them up physically in a line and measured them. There are various game modes that depend on Size, and they function how they want those Champs to function in those. The game is not always congruent with "reality".

I love the argument of "Reality" in a game with super powers.

Duke_Silver

Yeah this still needs to be addressed. Proxima needs to be a Large champion.

ItsDamien

Duke_Silver said:

Yeah this still needs to be addressed. Proxima needs to be a Large champion.

Why does she "need" to be a large champion? Outside of Variant 2, and a few random nodes once in a while, size does not matter.

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ItsDamien said:

Duke_Silver said:

Yeah this still needs to be addressed. Proxima needs to be a Large champion.

Why does she "need" to be a large champion? Outside of Variant 2, and a few random nodes once in a while, size does not matter.

Because she isn't small

ItsDamien

Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg said:

ItsDamien said:

Duke_Silver said:

Yeah this still needs to be addressed. Proxima needs to be a Large champion.

Why does she "need" to be a large champion? Outside of Variant 2, and a few random nodes once in a while, size does not matter.

Because she isn't small

And why does that matter? Does it break the game because she's not tagged as anything else? Does it affect how she deals damage? Does it make her animations any different? Does it affect her synergies? Does it change absolutely anything outside of Variant 2 and "Size Matters" nodes that rarely appear?

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ItsDamien

TheSpicyKnight said:

ItsDamien said:

Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg said:

ItsDamien said:

Duke_Silver said:

Yeah this still needs to be addressed. Proxima needs to be a Large champion.

Why does she "need" to be a large champion? Outside of Variant 2, and a few random nodes once in a while, size does not matter.

Because she isn't small

And why does that matter? Does it break the game because she's not tagged as anything else? Does it affect how she deals damage? Does it make her animations any different? Does it affect her synergies? Does it change absolutely anything outside of Variant 2 and "Size Matters" nodes that rarely appear?

If you really believe size is that insignificant in this game then why do you care if people want to change her tag to Large? You're right that it really only affects Variant 2 so it really shouldn't be a big deal right?

Sure, your argument is valid in that regard, but at the same time there's no point in wasting the time in changing something that's so insignificant overall right?

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ItsDamien

TheSpicyKnight said:

ItsDamien said:

TheSpicyKnight said:

ItsDamien said:

Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg said:

ItsDamien said:

Duke_Silver said:

Yeah this still needs to be addressed. Proxima needs to be a Large champion.

Why does she "need" to be a large champion? Outside of Variant 2, and a few random nodes once in a while, size does not matter.

Because she isn't small

And why does that matter? Does it break the game because she's not tagged as anything else? Does it affect how she deals damage? Does it make her animations any different? Does it affect her synergies? Does it change absolutely anything outside of Variant 2 and "Size Matters" nodes that rarely appear?

If you really believe size is that insignificant in this game then why do you care if people want to change her tag to Large? You're right that it really only affects Variant 2 so it really shouldn't be a big deal right?

Sure, your argument is valid in that regard, but at the same time there's no point in wasting the time in changing something that's so insignificant overall right?

Well, how much time is wasted changing a champion tag? It's not like it's a champion rework. This is just a small change that I think would make players happy.

Enough time that could be used to work on more important things. It's a small change that affects a small vocal minority.

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GroundedWisdom

The issue isn't really the timing. They could do it quite quickly, I would imagine. The Champs receive the Tags that they, along with Marvel, decide to give them.

Duke_Silver

Well personally, her being useful in Variant 2 would be a really helpful update that completely makes sense to implement. I get that I may be part of a small group but that doesn’t mean this doesn’t need to be addressed. In fact, they have changed tags very quickly in the past. Thor JF used to be a large champ (and she clearly isn’t), but by the very next update she was changed into a small champion. So drawing the similarities here, as JF isn’t a large champion, neither is Proxima a small champion. The change they made to JF impacted no one, but it was still made. Thus, Proxima should be adjusted to a large champion.

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ItsDamien

TheSpicyKnight said:

ItsDamien said:

TheSpicyKnight said:

ItsDamien said:

TheSpicyKnight said:

ItsDamien said:

Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg said:

ItsDamien said:

Duke_Silver said:

Yeah this still needs to be addressed. Proxima needs to be a Large champion.

Why does she "need" to be a large champion? Outside of Variant 2, and a few random nodes once in a while, size does not matter.

Because she isn't small

And why does that matter? Does it break the game because she's not tagged as anything else? Does it affect how she deals damage? Does it make her animations any different? Does it affect her synergies? Does it change absolutely anything outside of Variant 2 and "Size Matters" nodes that rarely appear?

If you really believe size is that insignificant in this game then why do you care if people want to change her tag to Large? You're right that it really only affects Variant 2 so it really shouldn't be a big deal right?

Sure, your argument is valid in that regard, but at the same time there's no point in wasting the time in changing something that's so insignificant overall right?

Well, how much time is wasted changing a champion tag? It's not like it's a champion rework. This is just a small change that I think would make players happy.

Enough time that could be used to work on more important things. It's a small change that affects a small vocal minority.

How much time do you think it would take? I'm not a programmer by any means but I can't imagine that changing a champion tag would take enough time to distract them from their bigger projects.

How much time would it take? Well, to change the tag, probably about 20 minutes, say 30 just for rounding. Then you have to take that and test that the size change works on all nodes that are affected by size modifiers, which can take several hours for a couple of people. So man hours you're already talking 4.5 hours. Assuming in best case scenario that's all it'd take.

In worst case scenario that it's not working as intended? That could be another 8 hours of fixing for a couple of devs, so 16 more man hours, we're now at 20.5 total, then when a fix has been made, another 4 man hours of testing. That's 24.5 man hours. Or let's call it 3 working days, so about half a weeks work.

Now again that doesn't seem too bad right? The problem then is people will say "Well why isn't this champion this tag?", and it becomes a slippery slope. And with things like Avengers tags, and X-men tags and whatever else is that you then have to factor in usage events, and certain characters that have interactions with those tags, be it with synergies or abilities. That would cause immense problems in terms of time.

You're probably thinking at this point "Well all of this is irrelevant, it's only one character?" but isn't that the exact argument people use when they say "this is setting a bad precident. If they do this with one character then what's stopping them doing it with more?"

Realistically, it's not worth the change especially considering all those factors, and also trusting Kabam to not somehow botch it and break something else in the process.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Duke_Silver

ItsDamien said:

TheSpicyKnight said:

ItsDamien said:

TheSpicyKnight said:

ItsDamien said:

TheSpicyKnight said:

ItsDamien said:

Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg said:

ItsDamien said:

Duke_Silver said:

Yeah this still needs to be addressed. Proxima needs to be a Large champion.

Why does she "need" to be a large champion? Outside of Variant 2, and a few random nodes once in a while, size does not matter.

Because she isn't small

And why does that matter? Does it break the game because she's not tagged as anything else? Does it affect how she deals damage? Does it make her animations any different? Does it affect her synergies? Does it change absolutely anything outside of Variant 2 and "Size Matters" nodes that rarely appear?

If you really believe size is that insignificant in this game then why do you care if people want to change her tag to Large? You're right that it really only affects Variant 2 so it really shouldn't be a big deal right?

Sure, your argument is valid in that regard, but at the same time there's no point in wasting the time in changing something that's so insignificant overall right?

Well, how much time is wasted changing a champion tag? It's not like it's a champion rework. This is just a small change that I think would make players happy.

Enough time that could be used to work on more important things. It's a small change that affects a small vocal minority.

How much time do you think it would take? I'm not a programmer by any means but I can't imagine that changing a champion tag would take enough time to distract them from their bigger projects.

How much time would it take? Well, to change the tag, probably about 20 minutes, say 30 just for rounding. Then you have to take that and test that the size change works on all nodes that are affected by size modifiers, which can take several hours for a couple of people. So man hours you're already talking 4.5 hours. Assuming in best case scenario that's all it'd take.

In worst case scenario that it's not working as intended? That could be another 8 hours of fixing for a couple of devs, so 16 more man hours, we're now at 20.5 total, then when a fix has been made, another 4 man hours of testing. That's 24.5 man hours. Or let's call it 3 working days, so about half a weeks work.

Now again that doesn't seem too bad right? The problem then is people will say "Well why isn't this champion this tag?", and it becomes a slippery slope. And with things like Avengers tags, and X-men tags and whatever else is that you then have to factor in usage events, and certain characters that have interactions with those tags, be it with synergies or abilities. That would cause immense problems in terms of time.

You're probably thinking at this point "Well all of this is irrelevant, it's only one character?" but isn't that the exact argument people use when they say "this is setting a bad precident. If they do this with one character then what's stopping them doing it with more?"

Realistically, it's not worth the change especially considering all those factors, and also trusting Kabam to not somehow botch it and break something else in the process.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And yet, Kabam went through all of these “factors” to ensure that JF (a champion no one was considering to use for the Evangeline Lily champion challenge) was fixed.