I have read what most of you are saying and who know what's really going to happen. The bank scenario is just ridiculous and any SMART person would know not to spend it. Let's look at it this way; what if you went to a casino and played a slot machine, video poker, keno, etc. and your machine kept hitting every 6-7 times and you kept getting $100 each time. Would you be the person to call an attendant over, or a casino manager, and tell them whats happening? Of course not. The temptation was there and it was there because of a glitch in the a system so some people got a few more rewards than others. A glitch on the side of the server is the companies fault. Banning people is not the way to go. "And that's all I have to say about that."
Yeah, i already pass to a casino, and if a machine bug, to bad for him, they only can Watch you leave with the money. For one good reason, every casino have some officials people belong to the game inspection.
Your mad cause you got csught blah blah blah all of you
I dont get caught, because i don't profit off nothing, but still, it's not a good comment to do. We are trying to do a point here, not make jokes or laughing .
That Kabam staff answers makes me laugh at, every time the in-game rewards bug is found, that benefits players, not them, they're pointing out TOS, instead of apology. I just hope to get the "Lofty standards.." in game mail..
If my memory is correct, similar glitch happened before, just a few months after 5* champs were introduced.
I remember at that time many players exploited the glitch and gets tons of 5* & 4*, however eventually kabam only took away the 5* from the exploit but let them keep the 4*.
Does anyone can confirm this?
If this is correct, Kabam can you go back and take away the 4* reward from previous glitch?
you know, since you are so strict with your policy, please be strict enough to get your policies consistent
If my memory is correct, similar glitch happened before, just a few months after 5* champs were introduced.
I remember at that time many players exploited the glitch and gets tons of 5* & 4*, however eventually kabam only took away the 5* from the exploit but let them keep the 4*.
Does anyone can confirm this?
If this is correct, Kabam can you go back and take away the 4* reward from previous glitch? you know, since you are so strict to you policy, please be strict enough to get your policies consistent
Multiple threads after this started had people including myself saying this would happen. They aren't going to let people keep these rewards. Bans may be extreme but again this has happened before and will happen again.
Right or wrong with the reaction by Kabam I think those that squandered resources to grind the exploit and then ranked champs made a poor decision considering how much info was out saying they were going to lose it and possibly face bans asa result.
Could you even begin to imagine if an actual reputable company took action such as this? If Nintendo had decided to come and take your Super Mario Bros. (circa 1985) game back because you found their bad code and exploited the "World 3-1 Infinite Lives Trick" or your Mario Cart 64 (circa1996) because you exploited their bad code and took the "Rainbow Road Shortcut"? Yes, I understand that certain people (who seem to live here on the forums) will say in their 'Questionable Wisdom'...
"Not only is that fair but Nintendo should immediately go to those players houses and take their consoles from them also!"
But should they? It was their bad code that created these exploits. Should players who used said exploits be punished instead of the game testers, who get paid to check these things yet still let it go live into the game? Do you really believe if say... Walmart accidentally placed a price tag of $1.99 on an item that should have cost $199.00 and someone exploited the mistake and bought 10 or 50 or even 100 of them that Walmart would then track them down by their Credit Card number and demand the merchandise back and then actually ban them for life from ever entering another Walmart because they made a pricing mistake? No. They would fix the mistake and carry on. That would be the end of things because they are a reputable company and the mistake was theirs!!! Now I didn't get these rewards as I had already completed both heroic and master 100% but even I am outraged by this draconian punishment of players for KABAM's bad coding mistakes. We have been forced to live with major bugs since the colossally bad 12.0 was released yet if the mistake is in our favor KABAM instantly wants to punish us (their customers)? That is one of societies biggest problems today.... Companies and large corporations no longer have any principles and people seem to just accept it.
People... it's a digital world, with very different rules than the real one. Yes, they can take back rewards. Yes, they can ban your account. They have that right as per their ToS, that you agreed to. No one completed a quest, got massive rewards, and thought 'Huh, guess that's what I was supposed to get for a single run!' and continued on. It's damn obvious that running 1.1 of anything and getting a ton of shards and such is wrong. Those who ran it once, saw the rewards, and stopped did it right. Did it suck that Events were going that encouraged running the event quests? Yes, but that's no one's fault, just coincidence.
Those who got a small amount of rewards, be it a single run that got the big bucks, or smaller rewards from lesser quest completion, will likely be unaffected. They aren't after you, because they know it is not worth their while. They WILL hit those who did it a LOT. Massive difference between stumbling onto the bug, and abusing it full-tilt. Those accounts suddenly opening 4-5 5* crystals and 10+ 4* crystals? Yeah, they can find that, should find that, and should bare minimum take it away from them. The worst cases will be banned to some degree.
For those saying that because the game has all these other issues, that makes it okay to abuse the system? From an emotional standpoint, I can see that. From a 'legal' standpoint, that has no merit as an argument. Hypocritical real world 'example': If that bank that always messes up your account and pisses you off leaves their vault door open and unattended, you may feel like you deserve to slip in and loot the place. But should you actually do it, the police and bank will see it in a different light, you can bet on it.
To show me in the TOS that taking advantage of THINGS IN THE GAME is against the rules
It's like saying you can't do arena too often because you can farm Battle chips
Go read the TOS. It may not say it directly, but it's pretty airtight as far as what powers Kabam has to rectify any situation as they see fit. And I believe it says that forum posts/announcements by Kabam are to be taken as gospel and the "On cheating..." post at the top of the forums definitely says that using exploits is forboden.
You are aware I'm sure that not everyone logs onto the forums. The TOS that matter are the TOS accessible when clicking on it in game. So I did that and read them. Dull, gotta say. Couple of interesting things, first, exploiting an error for gains is not covered on those TOS. Closest thing is Kabam stating they can remove items from your account for any reason. So it covers them, but still, they should probably state what would cause them to do so. They also have reserved the right to modify the TOS at any time. Understandable, but nowhere does it say you need to come to the forums to see the modifications. So I would think they would need to modify the TOS available to all players.
Unrelated but an amusing tidbit in there states that they do not accept any user ideas. Kinda make the whole suggestions part of this forum pointless. At least they planned on ignoring us from the start.
Now I very well could have mis-interpreted or mis-understood some of what was in there. If you think so, please read them, let me know where I will be happy to go back and check it out.
But based on their own TOS the only thing that would cover gains from a developer error is the part that allows them to remove items from your account for any reason. So anyone "exploiting" the error would have no idea before hand that the items they earned would be removed. Not all the players are on this forum and reading it regularly.
I dont know what kind of imaginary world you are living. Players did not write a cheating code. Kabam workers did this and players did what they do everyday; PLAYED. You cannot demand suspension for the players. Players did not hire a hacker.
You may want to reread my post. I did not take the opinion you accused me of. In fact your rebuttal actual agrees 100% with what I actually said.
I dont know what kind of imaginary world you are living. Players did not write a cheating code. Kabam workers did this and players did what they do everyday; PLAYED. You cannot demand suspension for the players. Players did not hire a hacker.
You may want to reread my post. I did not take the opinion you accused me of. In fact your rebuttal actual agrees 100% with what I actually said.
It looks like there's a little confusion going on, so allow me to try and clear this up for everyone.
First of all, knowingly exploiting a bug or glitch IS a punishable offence. That punishment can come in many different forms, including, but not limited to, a temporary or permanent ban.
Now, in this case, this was an exploitable bug that for some, was completely unavoidable. You may have been doing it without even knowing, because you were just finishing your quests. That's not knowingly exploiting something. But, we said that egregious accounts of exploitation may face a temporary or permanent ban. There is a difference between running a path a few times and getting extra rewards (even if you knew what you were doing) and running the shortest path over and over, 100+ times.
Additionally, if you used the rewards to rank up a Champion, or open multiple crystals, that is the reward that will be taken. If you got an extra Tier 4 Basic, and used it to rank your 4-Star to Rank 5, we will un-rank them, and take the extra Tier 4 Basic, not the other 4 that you had earned legitimately.
Miike, could you please point out where this is covered by the TOS that is available to all players or where it states you have to come to the forums to read modifications or rules not covered in the TOS? I have been unable to find it mentioned anywhere in the TOS.
It looks like there's a little confusion going on, so allow me to try and clear this up for everyone.
First of all, knowingly exploiting a bug or glitch IS a punishable offence. That punishment can come in many different forms, including, but not limited to, a temporary or permanent ban.
Now, in this case, this was an exploitable bug that for some, was completely unavoidable. You may have been doing it without even knowing, because you were just finishing your quests. That's not knowingly exploiting something. But, we said that egregious accounts of exploitation may face a temporary or permanent ban. There is a difference between running a path a few times and getting extra rewards (even if you knew what you were doing) and running the shortest path over and over, 100+ times.
Additionally, if you used the rewards to rank up a Champion, or open multiple crystals, that is the reward that will be taken. If you got an extra Tier 4 Basic, and used it to rank your 4-Star to Rank 5, we will un-rank them, and take the extra Tier 4 Basic, not the other 4 that you had earned legitimately.
Miike, could you please point out where this is covered by the TOS that is available to all players or where it states you have to come to the forums to read modifications or rules not covered in the TOS? I have been unable to find it mentioned anywhere in the TOS.
It looks like there's a little confusion going on, so allow me to try and clear this up for everyone.
First of all, knowingly exploiting a bug or glitch IS a punishable offence. That punishment can come in many different forms, including, but not limited to, a temporary or permanent ban.
Now, in this case, this was an exploitable bug that for some, was completely unavoidable. You may have been doing it without even knowing, because you were just finishing your quests. That's not knowingly exploiting something. But, we said that egregious accounts of exploitation may face a temporary or permanent ban. There is a difference between running a path a few times and getting extra rewards (even if you knew what you were doing) and running the shortest path over and over, 100+ times.
Additionally, if you used the rewards to rank up a Champion, or open multiple crystals, that is the reward that will be taken. If you got an extra Tier 4 Basic, and used it to rank your 4-Star to Rank 5, we will un-rank them, and take the extra Tier 4 Basic, not the other 4 that you had earned legitimately.
Miike, could you please point out where this is covered by the TOS that is available to all players or where it states you have to come to the forums to read modifications or rules not covered in the TOS? I have been unable to find it mentioned anywhere in the TOS.
Thanks for linking them Soura, but I asked where it was covered in there. I read through them and I didn't see it. Now it is possible I missed it, which is why I asked for the help in finding where it is covered.
To "rebalance" the game give everyone who didn't use the exploit, an equal amount of rewards gained by those who did
And before I get trolled as one of those people who are always looking for free stuf due to any bug or issues, im not really for getting stuff for free every time there's an issu. I'm simply proposing it as an alternative to the "scrape back" they are doing against those who did exploit the bug. I'm all for rectifying the mistake they made. Seems like an easier and kinder method than that they are planning
To "rebalance" the game give everyone who didn't use the exploit, an equal amount of rewards gained by those who did
And before I get trolled as one of those people who are always looking for free stuf due to any bug or issues, im not really for getting stuff for free every time there's an issu. I'm simply proposing it as an alternative to the "scrape back" they are doing against those who did exploit the bug. I'm all for rectifying the mistake they made. Seems like an easier and kinder method than that they are planning
While I wouldn't mind getting all that stuff, I don't think it is realistic. Not everyone who got extra rewards got the same amount in total I am sure, so how much do you give to everyone? If I'm customer service here, I would just leave the rewards with whoever got them, exploited or not. It is a situation that is not specifically covered by TOS, even if it were, not sure I would enforce it. My thinking is that there has been some issues with the game for the past 6 months and much of the customer base is upset about it and here is a situation where the glitch worked in favor of them, it should be treated the same way as a glitch that is disadvantageous to the player base. Sorry it happened, working on a fix, but we can not refund your units or potions. In this case they are going to take back, doesn't seem equitable to me.
If they returned the 1000 units and a slew of potions because the game crashed 8 times in one night, then I can see their case for taking them back. I just think there should be consistency in how they deal with errors and glitches. If they don't give them back to the player base due to their glitches, why should the player base give back to them because of their glitches?
To "rebalance" the game give everyone who didn't use the exploit, an equal amount of rewards gained by those who did
And before I get trolled as one of those people who are always looking for free stuf due to any bug or issues, im not really for getting stuff for free every time there's an issu. I'm simply proposing it as an alternative to the "scrape back" they are doing against those who did exploit the bug. I'm all for rectifying the mistake they made. Seems like an easier and kinder method than that they are planning
While I wouldn't mind getting all that stuff, I don't think it is realistic. Not everyone who got extra rewards got the same amount in total I am sure, so how much do you give to everyone? If I'm customer service here, I would just leave the rewards with whoever got them, exploited or not. It is a situation that is not specifically covered by TOS, even if it were, not sure I would enforce it. My thinking is that there has been some issues with the game for the past 6 months and much of the customer base is upset about it and here is a situation where the glitch worked in favor of them, it should be treated the same way as a glitch that is disadvantageous to the player base. Sorry it happened, working on a fix, but we can not refund your units or potions. In this case they are going to take back, doesn't seem equitable to me.
If they returned the 1000 units and a slew of potions because the game crashed 8 times in one night, then I can see their case for taking them back. I just think there should be consistency in how they deal with errors and glitches. If they don't give them back to the player base due to their glitches, why should the player base give back to them because of their glitches?
To "rebalance" the game give everyone who didn't use the exploit, an equal amount of rewards gained by those who did
And before I get trolled as one of those people who are always looking for free stuf due to any bug or issues, im not really for getting stuff for free every time there's an issu. I'm simply proposing it as an alternative to the "scrape back" they are doing against those who did exploit the bug. I'm all for rectifying the mistake they made. Seems like an easier and kinder method than that they are planning
While I wouldn't mind getting all that stuff, I don't think it is realistic. Not everyone who got extra rewards got the same amount in total I am sure, so how much do you give to everyone? If I'm customer service here, I would just leave the rewards with whoever got them, exploited or not. It is a situation that is not specifically covered by TOS, even if it were, not sure I would enforce it. My thinking is that there has been some issues with the game for the past 6 months and much of the customer base is upset about it and here is a situation where the glitch worked in favor of them, it should be treated the same way as a glitch that is disadvantageous to the player base. Sorry it happened, working on a fix, but we can not refund your units or potions. In this case they are going to take back, doesn't seem equitable to me.
If they returned the 1000 units and a slew of potions because the game crashed 8 times in one night, then I can see their case for taking them back. I just think there should be consistency in how they deal with errors and glitches. If they don't give them back to the player base due to their glitches, why should the player base give back to them because of their glitches?
Max wat someone got might b given to others.
I'm sorry, I do not know what you mean with your comment.
I mean if they give those reward who did not get, they need to give the amount of reward wat someone max got. Suppose Mr.X got 20 t4 by utilising this bug and it is highest achievement by anyone ever, they need to give 20 t4 to others also. And if someone got 4 t4b he/she should get 16. Hope u understand.
I mean if they give those reward who did not get, they need to give the amount of reward wat someone max got. Suppose Mr.X got 20 t4 by utilising this bug and it is highest achievement by anyone ever, they need to give 20 t4 to others also. And if someone got 4 t4b he/she should get 16. Hope u understand.
Ok, I see what you mean. But if the situation is reversed and a glitched caused some members to spend a lot of units, they don't then take the same number of units away from everyone it didn't effect. All I am saying is they treat it the same way they treat glitches that cause the player base to lose items. Work on the problem, but move forward not reimburse.
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Good luck funding your legal action with honesty.
gonna put this into my sig
Yeah, i already pass to a casino, and if a machine bug, to bad for him, they only can Watch you leave with the money. For one good reason, every casino have some officials people belong to the game inspection.
I dont get caught, because i don't profit off nothing, but still, it's not a good comment to do. We are trying to do a point here, not make jokes or laughing .
I remember at that time many players exploited the glitch and gets tons of 5* & 4*, however eventually kabam only took away the 5* from the exploit but let them keep the 4*.
Does anyone can confirm this?
If this is correct, Kabam can you go back and take away the 4* reward from previous glitch?
you know, since you are so strict with your policy, please be strict enough to get your policies consistent
I remember at that time many players exploited the glitch and gets tons of 5* & 4*, however eventually kabam only took away the 5* from the exploit but let them keep the 4*.
Does anyone can confirm this?
If this is correct, Kabam can you go back and take away the 4* reward from previous glitch? you know, since you are so strict to you policy, please be strict enough to get your policies consistent
Right or wrong with the reaction by Kabam I think those that squandered resources to grind the exploit and then ranked champs made a poor decision considering how much info was out saying they were going to lose it and possibly face bans asa result.
Not only is he honest, but his spelling game is on point. I would hire this guy as my attorney instantly
End of Rant [Steps down off Soap Box]
Those who got a small amount of rewards, be it a single run that got the big bucks, or smaller rewards from lesser quest completion, will likely be unaffected. They aren't after you, because they know it is not worth their while. They WILL hit those who did it a LOT. Massive difference between stumbling onto the bug, and abusing it full-tilt. Those accounts suddenly opening 4-5 5* crystals and 10+ 4* crystals? Yeah, they can find that, should find that, and should bare minimum take it away from them. The worst cases will be banned to some degree.
For those saying that because the game has all these other issues, that makes it okay to abuse the system? From an emotional standpoint, I can see that. From a 'legal' standpoint, that has no merit as an argument. Hypocritical real world 'example': If that bank that always messes up your account and pisses you off leaves their vault door open and unattended, you may feel like you deserve to slip in and loot the place. But should you actually do it, the police and bank will see it in a different light, you can bet on it.
You are aware I'm sure that not everyone logs onto the forums. The TOS that matter are the TOS accessible when clicking on it in game. So I did that and read them. Dull, gotta say. Couple of interesting things, first, exploiting an error for gains is not covered on those TOS. Closest thing is Kabam stating they can remove items from your account for any reason. So it covers them, but still, they should probably state what would cause them to do so. They also have reserved the right to modify the TOS at any time. Understandable, but nowhere does it say you need to come to the forums to see the modifications. So I would think they would need to modify the TOS available to all players.
Unrelated but an amusing tidbit in there states that they do not accept any user ideas. Kinda make the whole suggestions part of this forum pointless. At least they planned on ignoring us from the start.
Now I very well could have mis-interpreted or mis-understood some of what was in there. If you think so, please read them, let me know where I will be happy to go back and check it out.
But based on their own TOS the only thing that would cover gains from a developer error is the part that allows them to remove items from your account for any reason. So anyone "exploiting" the error would have no idea before hand that the items they earned would be removed. Not all the players are on this forum and reading it regularly.
You may want to reread my post. I did not take the opinion you accused me of. In fact your rebuttal actual agrees 100% with what I actually said.
Yea, that confused me also.
Miike, could you please point out where this is covered by the TOS that is available to all players or where it states you have to come to the forums to read modifications or rules not covered in the TOS? I have been unable to find it mentioned anywhere in the TOS.
Thank you.
Thanks for linking them Soura, but I asked where it was covered in there. I read through them and I didn't see it. Now it is possible I missed it, which is why I asked for the help in finding where it is covered.
And before I get trolled as one of those people who are always looking for free stuf due to any bug or issues, im not really for getting stuff for free every time there's an issu. I'm simply proposing it as an alternative to the "scrape back" they are doing against those who did exploit the bug. I'm all for rectifying the mistake they made. Seems like an easier and kinder method than that they are planning
While I wouldn't mind getting all that stuff, I don't think it is realistic. Not everyone who got extra rewards got the same amount in total I am sure, so how much do you give to everyone? If I'm customer service here, I would just leave the rewards with whoever got them, exploited or not. It is a situation that is not specifically covered by TOS, even if it were, not sure I would enforce it. My thinking is that there has been some issues with the game for the past 6 months and much of the customer base is upset about it and here is a situation where the glitch worked in favor of them, it should be treated the same way as a glitch that is disadvantageous to the player base. Sorry it happened, working on a fix, but we can not refund your units or potions. In this case they are going to take back, doesn't seem equitable to me.
If they returned the 1000 units and a slew of potions because the game crashed 8 times in one night, then I can see their case for taking them back. I just think there should be consistency in how they deal with errors and glitches. If they don't give them back to the player base due to their glitches, why should the player base give back to them because of their glitches?
Max wat someone got might b given to others.
I'm sorry, I do not know what you mean with your comment.
Ok, I see what you mean. But if the situation is reversed and a glitched caused some members to spend a lot of units, they don't then take the same number of units away from everyone it didn't effect. All I am saying is they treat it the same way they treat glitches that cause the player base to lose items. Work on the problem, but move forward not reimburse.