Should the Champion's "Contest's Greatest Fighters" ability be updated?

In accordance with the meta? This ability grants the Champion increased ability accuracy (and I believe buff duration, but not sure) as well as reduces time between acquisitions of persistent charges. For the ability to activate, the opponent MUST be one of a few selected fighters deemed to be the "Greatest" at the Champion's introduction. However, with many recent and powerful new additions (ie. Nick Fury, Brie Larson, etc), this ability seems behind the times.

Should the Champion's "Contest's Greatest Fighters" ability be updated? 54 votes

Yes. It's outdated.
57%
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No. It's fine.
33%
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Idc the Champion sucks regardless
9%
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Comments

  • FhfjghhggggjfhfjgFhfjghhggggjfhfjg Posts: 4,493 ★★★★★
    Yes. It's outdated.
    Yes as there's several inconsistencies with top champs on there. Ghulk, star lord, gwenpool, iceman& aa, magik& gr are not the top of there class as there is quake& beardo for science, omega red& domino for mutant, dr doom&claire voyant for mystic and nick fury& aegon for skill and tech is sparky& ghost
  • Savio444Savio444 Posts: 1,781 ★★★★
    No. It's fine.
    I would say yes, but then when you have to fight him it sort of doesn’t benefit me. Even though there is quite a few counters.
    I would say no, but if he was my champ on defence it would prob be useful.
    I’d just leave it be.
  • Amazing_Demon05Amazing_Demon05 Posts: 1,652 ★★★
    No. It's fine.
    if you are talking bout adding more names to that list then no because I think it should stay put to 2 per class

    now if you start swapping to new champs then its ok because it won't really matter
    people will start killing him with corvus and what not
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Posts: 1,155 ★★★★
    Yes. It's outdated.
    It should keep up with the times. The Champion needs to stay fresh. Add champs, remove champs, add some cool stuff like he shows his disdain for pre-fight abilities or boosts with some effect.
  • KalantakKalantak Posts: 1,105 ★★★
    it should
  • My_SuperiorMy_Superior Posts: 2,067 ★★★★
    Yes. It's outdated.
    He should update his list of potential competitors on a regular basis, true to his character. It’d also help @Kabam stay on top of the meta, a useful exercise.
  • No. It's fine.
    This was already discussed in many threads already.
    Simple answer, no it shouldn't. It doesnt make any sense to change/buff a champion by the wording of his ability. He has an ability against X champions (which is already a weird ability, but I'm not going to discuss that further), not an ability against the best champions in the game according to players or the designers.

    People already got the hang of him, more or less. There is no need to change him now.
  • My_SuperiorMy_Superior Posts: 2,067 ★★★★
    edited November 2019
    Yes. It's outdated.

    This was already discussed in many threads already.
    Simple answer, no it shouldn't. It doesnt make any sense to change/buff a champion by the wording of his ability. He has an ability against X champions (which is already a weird ability, but I'm not going to discuss that further), not an ability against the best champions in the game according to players or the designers.

    People already got the hang of him, more or less. There is no need to change him now.

    Every time a dimensional being joins the Battlerealm Blade is technically buffed, Daredevil improves with each new invisible champion, and Human Torch dominates each mystic champ to enter the Contest... I don’t see why The Champion wouldn’t update his list of “The Contests Greatest Fighters” in a similar manner. After all, the fighters in the Battlerealm are constantly changing, shouldn’t Champion’s hit list change with it?
  • No. It's fine.

    This was already discussed in many threads already.
    Simple answer, no it shouldn't. It doesnt make any sense to change/buff a champion by the wording of his ability. He has an ability against X champions (which is already a weird ability, but I'm not going to discuss that further), not an ability against the best champions in the game according to players or the designers.

    People already got the hang of him, more or less. There is no need to change him now.

    Every time a dimensional being joins the Battlerealm Blade is technically buffed, Daredevil improves with each new invisible champion, and Human Torch dominates each mystic champ to enter the Contest... I don’t see why The Champion wouldn’t update his list of “The Contests Greatest Fighters” in a similar manner. After all, the fighters in the Battlerealm are constantly changing, shouldn’t Champion’s hit list change with it?
    That is a different case. Those champions abilities aren't changing at all when new champions are introduced. It just happens that one more champion will interact with other champion abilities, like exactly what happens with almost every champion with any champion that gets introduced.

    What I'm trying to say is that it's not a good idea, or a logical one, to have an inconsistent champion in the game with abilities that are constantly changing. You wouldn't want them to go ahead and like replacing Thing bleed immunity for poison immunity, Ghost cruelty buffs to armor up buffs, Corvus guaranteed critical-hits to non-guaranteed crits, etc etc. Or in this case, you wouldn't want an interaction between X and Y champions to be changed, just so it gets changed again, and again, and again, knowing it will never work consistently.

    Besides, is just wording that really is not relevant to the ability.
  • My_SuperiorMy_Superior Posts: 2,067 ★★★★
    edited November 2019
    Yes. It's outdated.

    This was already discussed in many threads already.
    Simple answer, no it shouldn't. It doesnt make any sense to change/buff a champion by the wording of his ability. He has an ability against X champions (which is already a weird ability, but I'm not going to discuss that further), not an ability against the best champions in the game according to players or the designers.

    People already got the hang of him, more or less. There is no need to change him now.

    Every time a dimensional being joins the Battlerealm Blade is technically buffed, Daredevil improves with each new invisible champion, and Human Torch dominates each mystic champ to enter the Contest... I don’t see why The Champion wouldn’t update his list of “The Contests Greatest Fighters” in a similar manner. After all, the fighters in the Battlerealm are constantly changing, shouldn’t Champion’s hit list change with it?
    That is a different case. Those champions abilities aren't changing at all when new champions are introduced. It just happens that one more champion will interact with other champion abilities, like exactly what happens with almost every champion with any champion that gets introduced.
    Replace the first sentence with, “That is a similar case,” and ask yourself if the statement is still true. The answer? Yes.

    In regards to your second paragraph I flat out don’t accept the premises you’re enforcing; that it would be an illogical and bad idea to have Champion change as proposed, that it would “never work consistently,” or that any of the other character examples you provided even make sense to the context of the discussion.
  • No. It's fine.

    This was already discussed in many threads already.
    Simple answer, no it shouldn't. It doesnt make any sense to change/buff a champion by the wording of his ability. He has an ability against X champions (which is already a weird ability, but I'm not going to discuss that further), not an ability against the best champions in the game according to players or the designers.

    People already got the hang of him, more or less. There is no need to change him now.

    Every time a dimensional being joins the Battlerealm Blade is technically buffed, Daredevil improves with each new invisible champion, and Human Torch dominates each mystic champ to enter the Contest... I don’t see why The Champion wouldn’t update his list of “The Contests Greatest Fighters” in a similar manner. After all, the fighters in the Battlerealm are constantly changing, shouldn’t Champion’s hit list change with it?
    That is a different case. Those champions abilities aren't changing at all when new champions are introduced. It just happens that one more champion will interact with other champion abilities, like exactly what happens with almost every champion with any champion that gets introduced.

    What I'm trying to say is that it's not a good idea, or a logical one, to have an inconsistent champion in the game with abilities that are constantly changing. You wouldn't want them to go ahead and like replacing Thing bleed immunity for poison immunity, Ghost cruelty buffs to armor up buffs, Corvus guaranteed critical-hits to non-guaranteed crits, etc etc. Or in this case, you wouldn't want an interaction between X and Y champions to be changed, just so it gets changed again, and again, and again, knowing it will never work consistently.

    Besides, is just wording that really is not relevant to the ability.
    He wouldn't change abilities like you proposed. The only thing that would change are the conditions.
    Still falls under the concept of inconsistent abilities. If a champion causes bleed by attacking, you wouldn't want them to be changed in order to cause bleed while being attacked, I suppose.

    The Champion has an ability that triggers specifically against certain champions, and not against literally the "best champions" in the contest.. It's a weird ability by it's own, but lets that be how it is now to avoid future "nerf threads" and "rank down tickets threads".
  • My_SuperiorMy_Superior Posts: 2,067 ★★★★
    edited November 2019
    Yes. It's outdated.

    Take a look at this cover art from The Champion’s very first appearance. In this comic he gathers the strongest fighters on Earth in order to find a challenger worthy of combat... Do you notice anything interesting? The Thing is front and centre waiting to challenge him and not far behind is Namor. These two are arguably the best in their class but were likely omitted from The Champion’s in game ability simply because they were late comers to the Contest of Champions. Logically, if Kabam wants to pay homage to the source material as well as remain true to the in game Meta, these two should be added to The Champion’s list of “The Contest’s Greatest Fighters.”
  • No. It's fine.
    Comics, movies, or Marvel Universe itself (except The Battlerealm) are really not something you should even consider when thinking about the game. They are almost irrelevant as you can see, and serve for inspiration purposes only.

    Again, the "Contest Greatest Fighter's" for The Champion ability is a specific list of champions. They ARE NOT the best champion's in the game (considered by the players or Kabam itself), and the ability isn't meant to be about that.
  • My_SuperiorMy_Superior Posts: 2,067 ★★★★
    edited November 2019
    Yes. It's outdated.

    Comics, movies, or Marvel Universe itself (except The Battlerealm) are really not something you should even consider when thinking about the game. They are almost irrelevant as you can see, and serve for inspiration purposes only.

    Again, the "Contest Greatest Fighter's" for The Champion ability is a specific list of champions. They ARE NOT the best champion's in the game (considered by the players or Kabam itself), and the ability isn't meant to be about that.

    Says who? Where’s your argument to support your assertion? You’re frankly just stating your opinions to be fact and take for granted the fact that they might not be. It’s not a valid debate if you’re not willing to have your own ideas tested. So let’s test them...

    You say we shouldn’t consider source material when thinking about the game but then go on to state that it serves for inspirational purpose... Well then what do they inspire, if not the in game representation of the character and their abilities? Namor is a top Mutant in game and The Champion considered him as such in his respective source material. If that doesn’t inspire you to add him to the list, I dare say you lack the spirit to be inspired.

    In my opinion, The Contest’s Greatest Fighters are supposed to represent The Champion’s personal perspective, subject to the time of his arrival. Well, like the meta of this game, times change and so can perspective. The Champion and Kabam would be doing themselves a disservice if they didn’t consider adding new challengers to his list.
  • No. It's fine.
    Nothing tells you that Namor, Thing, Ghost, or anyone are the best champions in the game, aside from personal opinions of the players.

    The Champion ability works for a specific list of champions. It could even include Iron Patriot or Kamala Khan there, and being considered two of the "Contest greatest fighter's" as well. It doesn't really matter that part of the wording, is irrelevant and isn't supposed to represent the best champions in the game, overall, for anything, without a doubt.

    The problem here is people trying to include their personal opinions as obsolete facts, and taking advantage of how they see an ability works to propose a change with no laogical reason within the game standards. Just like many other abilities: it doesn't always trigger, but when it does it does this and that. Changing the trigger, or the ability itself would just lead to future caos.
  • No. It's fine.
    How would you feel if they changed the way a character applies their abilities? Or if they changed the target of those abilities?
    I already provided examples above, and The Champion isn't anything different from them. Its a nerf, and a buff in some aspects, that no one asked for. If people like using him against Corvus, Blade, Magik etc, then how would they fell if that was changed for no real good reason? They ranked up a champion that no longer does what it used to do, and you probably know what happens here on the forums when someone gets "nerf" or changed that way
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