Couple of words about Sunspot

Bajjsbwuqjw

He is very hard to keep up with high damage
High damage is the only thing he has
Even duped and even maxed it is still to hard to controll him in real considitions
Still everybody thinks he is a god tier


If any guy needs a rebalance so sunspot is one of them...he is some kind of misunderstanding of own game mechanic

I know lot of guys will boo at me but it is still the case you cant run from

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SheDroveMeHere

I have no problem controlling his cycle to keep his charges active. Even unduped either you hit Sp1 and then Sp2 and the fight is over, or you cycle Sp1 and Sp3 until you have enough flare states to finish the fight with Sp2. If you're siphoning back the charges correctly and playing aggressive it's not difficult.

Timone147

I guess it depends on the level of damage you are looking for. But even without a huge amount of flare states his sp2 hits lik a truck. Also he is incinerate immune and his PB is very useful also if you can parry specials first hits and for stun immune nodes if you can re-parry effectively on the combo.

Also many champs that are good aren’t the best for war. Can’t use that as your only litmus test.

Losspik

As the owner of a sig 190 5/65 Sunspot I will say he isnt great in war due to his reliance on parry BUT as said War is definately not be all end all in content. Act 6.3 he makes the health pools look pathetic, AQ map 7 he boss for certain lanes.

SheDroveMeHere

I disagree that he isn't great for war. There aren't that many stun immune nodes (at least where I am in tier 7), and he handles lots of other nodes well by just out damaging them. I've found my 6* works great on 'all-or-nothin' nodes because the fight is over before they can get to a Sp3 anyways.

Also he PLOWS through 5.3, even with the 50% damage reduction.

Worknprogress

Bajjsbwuqjw said:

If you disagree...show me one good war fight with sunspot against some crucial node or defender

Why would you use him in war? You really think that being a good war option is the only qualifier for an amazing champ?

Show me ghost running pleasure to burn or disstrack in AQ. That's like getting mad bc a hammer is a bad screwdriver. Champs are tools that are suited to certain situations. Sunspot doesn't have the most varied use in the game but for what hes good for, he's one of the best in game

Timone147

Also for those who are mentioning stun immune you can work around this with sunspot with a stronger parry game. If you learn to parry multiple hits in a single combo(re-parrying throughout the combo) while baiting their heavies you reduce this damage to zero and also purify the debuffs due to the perfect block mechanic.

If you are someone who relies on heavy baiting in stun immune the ability to parry the hits of the combo while baiting is pretty useful as it entices them to throw heavy faster in my experience and with sunspot this is also done with taking next to no damage.

te_dua_shum

Timone147 said:

Also for those who are mentioning stun immune you can work around this with sunspot with a stronger parry game. If you learn to parry multiple hits in a single combo(re-parrying throughout the combo) while baiting their heavies you reduce this damage to zero and also purify the debuffs due to the perfect block mechanic.

i still have to learn how to use him, but is the re-parry thing necessary? reading his abilities it seems that as long as your first block is a parry all other combo/special hits will be perfect blocked (until the opponent runs out of incinerate debuffs), so you don't need to actually parry mid-combo. Or am i missing something?

Timone147

You are correct. I always thought that was just specials for the rest of the attack and missed it was for the rest of the combo as well

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Worknprogress

Bajjsbwuqjw said:

Argument ghost cant be used on disstrack

Differs from

Argument sunspor nit being good in war

Argument war shouldnt be the highest rank place for champions cannot be taken seriously because it is.

You can close act6 but be not good enough for war. To win war demands lot more then act6 does.and u cant just revive endlessly

Dude you just don't get it do you? Not every champ has to be good everywhere to be a top tier champ. If a champ helps me get through map 7 every week or hard content paths without using a single item, then that champ is top tier in my opinion. I couldn't care less how they do in war. We rank different champs for different applications.

Demonzfyre

Bajjsbwuqjw said:

He is very hard to keep up with high damage
High damage is the only thing he has
Even duped and even maxed it is still to hard to controll him in real considitions
Still everybody thinks he is a god tier


If any guy needs a rebalance so sunspot is one of them...he is some kind of misunderstanding of own game mechanic

I know lot of guys will boo at me but it is still the case you cant run from

Actually he's one of the easiest high damage champs to maintain that damage but you'll need him duped at high sig. Activating a SP3 will refresh solar charges. You need 3-4 flare states and toss a SP2 and you'll see some crazy numbers. Most normal fights after 2 flare states and a SP2, the fight is over.

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Demonzfyre

Bajjsbwuqjw said:

Easiest yes...extremely time demanding also


"Dude you dont get" when sentence dtarts this way npvody reads whats written there tbh

Not extremely time demanding. What rotation are you using with him. You didn't really explain that yet.

Octoberstack

Bajjsbwuqjw said:

Easiest yes...extremely time demanding also


"Dude you dont get" when sentence dtarts this way npvody reads whats written there tbh

Sounds like you just can’t think of a response back tbh

Demonzfyre

Here's a suggested rotation-
Parry/Heavy to start. Each hit from a heavy inflicts an incinerate debuff. The next time you parry, charge your heavy as you re-absorb those debuffs. Each time you absorb a incinerate debuff you gain power.

Once you reach SP1, launch it the next opportunity you have. Gain flare state. Repeat step 1 and 2 until you reach 2 flare states.

Gain power until SP2 and launch.

Now Gain an SP3 to reset solar charges.

Things to keep in mind-
The more flare states you have, the more incinerate debuffs you inflict at a time. At 4 flare states, you are are inflicting 4 incinerates at a time.

If you run out of solar charges, you consume 1 flare state.

I recommend trying to stay around 3 flare states and launching SP2's and 3's.

Timone147

So many people don’t really prioritize war or even like it. I could be in a much higher tier alliance for war but kind of hate the game mode really. I do what I have to to get adequate shards and rewards. The champs though serve purposes across the whole game.

For you war is important so you want champs that are great across the board in war and efficient in war. For me I prefer champs that make questing efficient and can serve the purpose I need across the entirety of the game.

Your priorities are different in the game. Build the team for what you want to achieve in game.

Lazuli

I agree he’s not the number one champs for war, but that’s just not where he shines the most. He can still be used in war, but quests & aq are where he really shines. Against ROL winter soldier i can get to about 7 flare states, so if you know how to use him and practice then his cycle is very easy. In most fights, you won’t even need that many stacks. In regular fights it does become a little trickier depending on what nodes/who you’re fighting, but that’s the same with every champ. He makes you want to play a little more frantically to purify those incinerates but honestly my sunspot is unduped & 4/55 and in quests, EQ, side events, and AQ a single special to with only 2 flare states does enough damage to end most fights right there. His damage is his biggest asset, and you don’t NEED a whole bunch of flare state stacks to access that damage. 2 or 3 flare states and special 2 and most fights will be over. Meaning you can still use him in plenty of situations where parry is not available. His damage is so high that most fights will end before anything gets too crazy. His animations are also amazing, but i know that doesn’t hold much weight. All in all, sunspots damage and incineration immunity are enough for him to be god tier

Monk1

I run sunspot in aq (7x5) on incinerate paths and he destroys every fight in less than 30 hits.. beast of a champ for short fights

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simolaz

Bajjsbwuqjw said:

If you disagree...show me one good war fight with sunspot against some crucial node or defender

He is not designed to rule in AW. It’s simple.
Also Aegon is impossible to use effectively in AW, but he’s definitely helpful in quests and AQ.
Same for Sunspot.

Restating the sentence:
Corvus is one of the worst choiches to run the Labyrinth. So you define him trash?

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Timone147

UmbertoDelRio said:

Timone147 said:

You are correct. I always thought that was just specials for the rest of the attack and missed it was for the rest of the combo as well

What you were talking about is still a pretty handy move in my opinion. It's a great non-champ-specific counter to stuff like masochism, mighty charge, etc. On top of that it can help a lot against champs like havok or ebony my on aegis heavy.
It also trivializes imiw as a defender even more than just using the heavy counter.

And it's also great against stun-immune opponents, depending on the champ you use of course. I always do that with champion or thing (mini) bosses in war using my cap iw.

Ya like you said I use that technique in AW with my cap IW all the time on machocism IMIW and the other champs you described and stun immune and the right side of boss island and final boss as well.

Zzz

Is he good in Abyss of legends?

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Darksun987

Being good at Alliance Wars is not mandatory for every hero. His thing is he does the most damage in the game. That's not a bad thing to have.

Anurag1606

Bajjsbwuqjw said:

If you disagree...show me one good war fight with sunspot against some crucial node or defender

There was this corvus r5 mini boss on counter tactic stun immune tier 1 aw. My friend used his r5 Sun spot. He intercepted and got him incinerated so all the corvus strikes were perfect blocks no block damage, did sp1 twice and finished off with sp2 with a big damage. Fight lasted about 90 seconds and within 50 to 55 hits.